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post #21 of 29
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So I was talking to my friend the Bunny Man (he has 8 bunnies) about this and he says he buys eggs from his vet, who has two heated henhouses and that he doesn't debeak his hens and he doesn't kill them when they quit laying eggs. He keeps them as pets.

I think he'd be an excellent person to buy eggs from.

dm
post #22 of 29
I found this site for a Christian perspective on veg*nism.
post #23 of 29
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Thanks for the link!

dm
post #24 of 29
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So I was talking to my friend the Bunny Man (he has 8 bunnies) about this and he says he buys eggs from his vet, who has two heated henhouses and that he doesn't debeak his hens and he doesn't kill them when they quit laying eggs. He keeps them as pets.

I think he'd be an excellent person to buy eggs from.

dm
But where does he get his hens?

If he buys chicks, how does his supplier produce and raise the hens and chicks? Are the hens de-beaked?

If he buys sexed chicks, then the males were disposed of somehow by his supplier (they're commonly put through a shredder to make fertilizer, which is rather visceral to contemplate but is mostly humane).

If he buys non-sexed chicks, what does he do with the 50% of them that grow up to be roosters?

If he raises his own chicks, what does he do with the boys?

I eat eggs and I've never found a way around the practice of destroying males if I'm going to buy them. It does bother me (in case you couldn't tell...), as well as the veal/beef industry that is funded by the dairy industry, including organic dairy. I still consume dairy and (free-range) eggs, but I won't pretend these issues don't exist.

Where I live, there are oodles of feral chickens, because the climate is right for them, and they are generally happy and healthy. So if I were able to keep chickens (which I'm not), I could steal some eggs from a feral hen's clutch directly into an incubator, raise the chicks, and release the roosters when they were old enough to identify (which I would never, ever, ever do with just any domestically raised animal, whether it was traditionally wild/feral or not, but in these particular conditions, it really would not be a huge risk for them nor an environmental risk). That's the only non-lethal strategy I've come up with so far.

You mention lacking vegetable and fruit nutrients. How about Emergen-C, Calci-Bears, Veggie-Fruit Bears? Or the Bolthouse Farms Green Goodness and carrot juice? We get all of the above at Costco for not a huge amount of money. They're really quite good. Orange juice has also been a big source of fruit nutrients for me.
post #25 of 29
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But where does he get his hens?

If he buys chicks, how does his supplier produce and raise the hens and chicks? Are the hens de-beaked?

If he buys sexed chicks, then the males were disposed of somehow by his supplier (they're commonly put through a shredder to make fertilizer, which is rather visceral to contemplate but is mostly humane).

If he buys non-sexed chicks, what does he do with the 50% of them that grow up to be roosters?

If he raises his own chicks, what does he do with the boys?


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You mention lacking vegetable and fruit nutrients. How about Emergen-C, Calci-Bears, Veggie-Fruit Bears? Or the Bolthouse Farms Green Goodness and carrot juice? We get all of the above at Costco for not a huge amount of money. They're really quite good. Orange juice has also been a big source of fruit nutrients for me.
Thanks for the ideas! I checked, and several groceries near me carry the Bolthouse Farms.

dm
post #26 of 29
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There's absolutely no health benefit to eating meat over a plant-based diet. Especially for a person who has high cholesterol.

She didn't mention the cholesterol until later. She mentioned health concerns related to cutting out eggs in the initial post so that is what I was going off of. The stuff about her eating school lunch, and the nutritionists advice came in later.
post #27 of 29
I heard a talk given by Dr. Sears where he reccommended these vitamins http://www.juiceplus.com/nsa/pages/Welcome.soa. I have heard good things about them from other people too. If she won't eat veggies and is low on the nutrients found in vegetables, it might be worth looking into.
post #28 of 29
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I heard a talk given by Dr. Sears where he reccommended these vitamins http://www.juiceplus.com/nsa/pages/Welcome.soa. I have heard good things about them from other people too. If she won't eat veggies and is low on the nutrients found in vegetables, it might be worth looking into.
There have been several studies that show that Juice Plus pills aren't all they claim to be (look here under Critcs: click )

Also, they're not even vegan - the capsules are made from beef gelatin.
post #29 of 29
Are you in a house where you could raise a few chickens of your own, so she can see where it is coming from before she eats it? Or, you can take her to the farm with you to pick the eggs?

Also, maybe one of these books would be good in your case. I don't know that I would use these on my children, but I think your case it might benefit:

Deceptively Delicious: Simple Secrets to Get Your Kids Eating Good Food

The Sneaky Chef: Simple Strategies for Hiding Healthy Foods in KidsÆ Favorite Meals
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