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post #21 of 141
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Originally Posted by Calidris View Post
But why can't the boy have Dora panties if he is a Dora fan (they don't make Dora boxers), and why can't a girl wear boxers?
Sure there are differences between boys and girls but why should they be forced into artificial differences at a young age?
Little girls should sit quietly and walk sedately while the little boys run rampant? Unfair in my view.
ding ding ding.

My son loves, loves, loves Dora and my daughter loves Spongebob. Those character items are pretty segregated towards the opposite gender. It is ridiculous.
post #22 of 141
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Originally Posted by Mom4tot View Post
Yes, BUT I don't want my children to have to accept limitations because of GENDER.
Exactly.
post #23 of 141
We have diego now, Calidris. keep up. Dora needed an alter ego (or cousin) b/c the undies don't have a front pee hole.

LOL

Sigh. I admit I paint my boys' toenails b/c they think it is fun when I do mine, and I buy fairy wings right along w/the other carp I buy. I will admit too, that for the most part, they like having their own stuff, and that involves pirates and ships and trains and things that aren't "paint your face" in nature. I let them pick out their own things and very rarely do they pick 'girly' things. They will point out that I might like it, however. I've never gendered toys, movies, shows, anything, but they have. I've asked them if they want I Carly or HS musical or any of that when we do the tv gig, and they are always like, uhhhh NOoooo, spongebob or drake and josh, please. No fairytopia here nor tinkerbell in the peter pan book, but they did identify readily w/PP and the lost boys. Again, all on them and not me. Maybe some is ingrained or hardwired to begin with?
post #24 of 141
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I was so born in the wrong century. I just couldn't see myself buying my son panties. And then at what age do you stop buying your sons panties and dresses? Or do you ever stop? Most moms buy their kids underpants until they're at least 15. Do you buy your son black lace Vickies if he asks for them? Or let him borrow your dresses? Or tell your c cup daughter that she doesn't have to wear a bra because her brother doesn't have to? Please don't think that I'm being mean, anyone. I just can't figure it out.
post #25 of 141
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Yes, BUT I don't want my children to have to accept limitations because of GENDER.
Okay, so would you be okay with your 16 year old daughter being topless at the beach? 16 year old boys do it.
post #26 of 141
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Originally Posted by Phantaja View Post
Okay, so would you be okay with your 16 year old daughter being topless at the beach? 16 year old boys do it.

If we don't raise our young girls in proper modesty, they will want to walk around topless?
post #27 of 141
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Okay, so would you be okay with your 16 year old daughter being topless at the beach? 16 year old boys do it.
In all honesty, yes, I would be totally okay with it. Only problem is that here in the US, the law restricts us from doing so and I think that is totally sexist since there is NOTHING inherently sexual about breasts.
post #28 of 141
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Originally Posted by Phantaja View Post
I was so born in the wrong century. I just couldn't see myself buying my son panties. And then at what age do you stop buying your sons panties and dresses? Or do you ever stop? Most moms buy their kids underpants until they're at least 15. Do you buy your son black lace Vickies if he asks for them? Or let him borrow your dresses? Or tell your c cup daughter that she doesn't have to wear a bra because her brother doesn't have to? Please don't think that I'm being mean, anyone. I just can't figure it out.
My son has lots of "girly" things. He loves the color pink. He likes to dress up like a princess. He also likes lots of "boyish" things too. I just don't see why he has to be denied certain colors, forms of play, or whatever, just because of his genitalia.

As to the quoted portion here, there are adult males who prefer women's clothing. If he prefers dresses or black lace underwear, why does that matter? It doesn't make him less of a person in any way. Oh, and lots of women don't wear bras either!
post #29 of 141
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In all honesty, yes, I would be totally okay with it. Only problem is that here in the US, the law restricts us from doing so and I think that is totally sexist since there is NOTHING inherently sexual about breasts.
There's nothing inherently sexual about a butt either. In fact, it's (primary) use is far from sexy. But that doesn't make it okay to run around in assless chaps.
post #30 of 141
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In all honesty, yes, I would be totally okay with it. Only problem is that here in the US, the law restricts us from doing so and I think that is totally sexist since there is NOTHING inherently sexual about breasts.
Yep, what she said
post #31 of 141
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Originally Posted by Phantaja View Post
There's nothing inherently sexual about a butt either. In fact, it's (primary) use is far from sexy. But that doesn't make it okay to run around in assless chaps.
Women do wear thongs at the beach, though, which hardly covers the butt! I think butt coverage is just incidental to genital coverage in most underwear/clothing/swimwear.
post #32 of 141
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Originally Posted by lovesdaffodils View Post
As to the quoted portion here, there are adult males who prefer women's clothing. If he prefers dresses or black lace underwear, why does that matter? It doesn't make him less of a person in any way. Oh, and lots of women don't wear bras either!

You know, you're right. I forgot where I was for a moment. Thank you for that little dose of reality.
post #33 of 141
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Originally Posted by Phantaja View Post
There's nothing inherently sexual about a butt either. In fact, it's (primary) use is far from sexy. But that doesn't make it okay to run around in assless chaps.
Yeah, but poop doesn't come out of boobs. Fecal matter is bodily waste, breast milk is not. That's a totally different ballgame.
post #34 of 141
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Originally Posted by Phantaja View Post
I was so born in the wrong century. I just couldn't see myself buying my son panties. And then at what age do you stop buying your sons panties and dresses? Or do you ever stop? Most moms buy their kids underpants until they're at least 15. Do you buy your son black lace Vickies if he asks for them? Or let him borrow your dresses? Or tell your c cup daughter that she doesn't have to wear a bra because her brother doesn't have to? Please don't think that I'm being mean, anyone. I just can't figure it out.
Yes if my teenage son wanted lace panties, I would buy them for him. I would be glad that he came to me with that issue.


There is no way in hell I would make my daughter wear a bra.

I wouldn't care if my daughter wanted to go topless at the beach. Toplessness is legal here and there are specific topless beaches. I don't see the big deal.
post #35 of 141
Interestingly this is going in the direction of what is socially acceptable for boys and girls to NOT do when the underlying issue seems to be that of allowing your dc to express who they are and accepting them no matter what. Not easy when you have society breathing down your back.
post #36 of 141
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Originally Posted by sojourn View Post
We have diego now, Calidris. keep up. Dora needed an alter ego (or cousin) b/c the undies don't have a front pee hole.
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yep, and my DD is Diego crazy now, though she has not insisted on Diego underwear yet.

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Originally Posted by Phantaja View Post
Okay, so would you be okay with your 16 year old daughter being topless at the beach? 16 year old boys do it.
In parts of Europe she would be doing that in the company of all her friends. Don't assume that American prudishness is an inherent trait.

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I was so born in the wrong century.
Ahh, but in the previous century pink was a boy colour, and blue (at least light shades) a girl colour, so you would have had to relearn your gender stereotypes.

And that's the thing. There are (in general) some stereotypes to which boys and girls adhere (certainly not ALL boys and girls). There are far more which are culturally constrained, and which change from era to era, or with the culture. And most of those are not "natural" differences, and I do not feel comfortable forcing (or even encouraging) my daughter to conform to them.
post #37 of 141
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Originally Posted by tuansprincess View Post
Interestingly this is going in the direction of what is socially acceptable for boys and girls to NOT do when the underlying issue seems to be that of allowing your dc to express who they are and accepting them no matter what. Not easy when you have society breathing down your back.

I'm at this crossroads. I don't see anything wrong w/him showing emotion. I personally think it makes him MORE of a "man" or human, or in touch w/feelings self, but society dictates that he must at some soon to be determined point stifle this. Again, I just sigh. I don't want him picked on, but I don't want him to lose his sense of self. If it is part of him, then good and so be it. If he gets picked on for it, then what? And what if he does full nelson someone and full on tackle like football practice for being made fun of? What then? Again, I just sigh.
post #38 of 141
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Originally Posted by Phantaja View Post
But that doesn't make it okay to run around in assless chaps.
wait...





it's not?



oh man, guess i better take them back then, darn.
post #39 of 141
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wait...





it's not?



oh man, guess i better take them back then, darn.
Okay, I take that back. It's just fine for me to prance about in assless anything at my house.
post #40 of 141
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Originally Posted by mshollyk View Post
wait...





it's not?



oh man, guess i better take them back then, darn.
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