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post #21 of 48
Doesn't make a difference.

The best sex I had was with a cut man. He was a little rougher, but I like that. I'm not that convinced it had anything to do with his status. I guess he may have a loose circ-there was lots of loose skin when he wasn't aroused. We never discussed whether he was or not.

I have been with at least one intact man, and that was good too. I can climax with either. Oh, and one intact guy that um had some equipment problems, so I never found out what he was like. It's possible things might have worked if he'd let me use lube, but he refused.

Usually, I didn't even notice whether the guy was cut or not. I just don't care.
post #22 of 48
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Originally Posted by Anglyn View Post
Actually, there is some research backing this up. There have been men who were circed later in life and CAN compare sensation before and after. I wish I can kept track of the website, there is a website that explains how the very movements an intact vs circed man must move to climax and the way the intact man moves is more in sync with how the female climaxes. Being able to compare...I have to say I've found this to be true.

No on is, in anyway, trying to offend you. I dont think the point is to point this out to make circumcised men feel bad. I think the point might be more like, when you have sons of your own, please consider these facts before you circ him just because it was done to you. (and by "you" I dont really mean you specifically, I think all men should be aware of this, I think it would make a diffrence in thier decisions regarding thier sons, jmo.)

It's simply another reason on a long list of reasons not to circ.

Of course there is evidence that says circed men dont experience sex in the same way that uncircumcised guys do. But also the effects of circumcision are not one standard effect, because intact penises are not all the same, and neither are all circumcision operations. I also know this from talking to a lot of guys my age on the teen board that I go to. I have heard teens who got circed and only after did they realize what a huge mistake they made. Yet other guys who actually like the different sensation, and dont feel like anything has been reduced.

Also I would never circumcise a future child, but sexual sensitivity is not really my main concern. For me its an obvious choice. Its his body and I dont have the right to alter it. Its an ethical issue. To be honest I am confused by parents who join the intactivist movement after cutting their first son. I just dont understand how parents dont see the ethical side of this from the very start. Why is it parents have to be convinced of negative health effects before they realize that circumcision is wrong?
post #23 of 48
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Also I would never circumcise a future child, but sexual sensitivity is not really my main concern. For me its an obvious choice. Its his body and I dont have the right to alter it. Its an ethical issue. To be honest I am confused by parents who join the intactivist movement after cutting their first son. I just dont understand how parents dont see the ethical side of this from the very start. Why is it parents have to be convinced of negative health effects before they realize that circumcision is wrong?
You are spot on - circumcision is wrong because it's an ethical issue. His body, his choice - I don't have the moral right to alter someone else's body, without their consent, to suit my own preferences.

I think the issue in America is, however, that circumcision is just part of the 'woodwork', so to speak. It's what 'everyone does', so no one thinks about it. We often hear stories of parents who didn't actually realise they had a choice when they allowed a son to be cut.

That's why we have to start with debunking the 'health benefit' myths, as well as talking about how circumcision affects male sensitivity (and how it can also affect a female's experience of sex, depending on how much skin has been taken off her partner).

We have to do something to jar parents into realising - it isn't just a 'flap of skin'. It isn't just 'OK - no big deal - like cutting the umbilical cord.' That when you cut your son, you take away something valuable...

Only then can you get to the point where parents realise, 'It isn't mine to take away, so I'd better leave it alone', you know?

Frustrating, absolutely. It seems so blindly obvious to me, that I can't understand why people don't get it.

I'm upset with my Mom at the moment. She's accepted that circ is unnecessary and it's better not to do it. She was thrilled when my brother and his wife left their son intact (after I'd sent lots of information).

But my other brother and his wife are now pregnant with a boy - I've sent them information, Mom was with them when they received the information, but she refused to say anything one way or the other to them about it, as it 'isn't her place'. Not even a - 'I've learned a lot about circumcision, too, and I think it's better to leave a child alone.')

Acceptance of circumcision is so ingrained in our society - we have a lot of work to do to eradicate those attitudes. So we have to talk about these other issues first.
post #24 of 48
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Also I would never circumcise a future child, but sexual sensitivity is not really my main concern. For me its an obvious choice. Its his body and I dont have the right to alter it. Its an ethical issue. To be honest I am confused by parents who join the intactivist movement after cutting their first son. I just dont understand how parents dont see the ethical side of this from the very start. Why is it parents have to be convinced of negative health effects before they realize that circumcision is wrong?
It makes sense to me, logically. Although it is definitely his body, his choice, there are decisions we make for our children because they cannot, for their best health. If you are sold the story that circumcision is healthier, you believe you're doing what's best for your child, even if it IS his body, his choice. Do you know what I mean?
post #25 of 48
Unfortunately, for me sex with an intact man was incredibly painful AND he had problems with dysfunction--could only get off from self-stimulation and even that took an hour and a half. Whereas, sex with a circed man is fine. I still wouldn't circ my son, though--I think it's the man who makes the penis and not the other way around.
post #26 of 48
i've had sex with both and honestly, it is both partners who make great sex together...

with both intact men i was unsure of myself and did not enjoy the sex as much. who knows how i would feel now that i am more "liberated" in the sack (hehe)

what i do know is that my husband is the most fantastic lover i've ever experienced and it has nothing to do with his penis.

it's in his kiss (that's where it is!).

like others, i just believe leaving my son's ding-dong ALONE is a decision not to alter another's body without their consent or for medical purpose...not to ensure that they'll be a better lover.

i hope that when he's ready he'll be a good lover because he is sure of himself and the person he is with. not because his penis is intact.

i get what some folks are saying about having to dispel myths about women not wanting to sleep with intact men b/c they're different.
But even though sex is a "zesty, natural enterprise" (quoted from the Big Lebowski) that sometimes happens between adults who have no more in common than the fact that they are consenting...i would still hope that any women (or men) my son sleeps with would already like/love him enough not to care if he is circumsized or not.
post #27 of 48
I do prefer intact men. Though my husband's circ'd status certainly didn't stop me from loving him and marrying him. It is not his fault that he was circ'd, so I do not feel talking about this is making fun of him in any way.

IME, intact men:
- do not require lubricants (gosh I hate the NEED for lubricant during the breastfeeding years).
- do not require such excessive stimulation (ramming, super-fast action) to reach climax.
- glide instead of creating friction.
- do not act like a squeegee removing lubricant (natural or artificial).
- are easier to stimulate manually, don't require artificial lubrication to make it more comfortable.
- feel softer inside (me).

On the other hand, an advantage IMO for circ'd men:
- taste better during oral sex without the need to wash beforehand.
post #28 of 48
Yeah, I'm the same as veganf. I HATE having to stop in the middle to reapply lube because you know if you don't the incredible soreness and pain is going to start. Especially if you have a *ahem* larger partner.
post #29 of 48
I prefer intact for reasons already mentioned by other posters.

I've never noticed a difference in taste during oral sex because all of my partners, intact or circ'd had proper hygiene.
post #30 of 48
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I've never noticed a difference in taste during oral sex because all of my partners, intact or circ'd had proper hygiene.
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post #31 of 48
It's a fact that circumcision alters the natural state of intercourse/oral and manual as well. That doesn't mean sex with a circumcised man (or woman) can't be great but it is not how it was intended to be.
There does seem to be certain complications or negatives to sex with a circumcised man especially as a woman ages. I always just figured I was supposed to be sore and chapped after intercourse and it has only gotten worse as I've gotten older and had more children. My dh is not rough either(he knows I'm not a fan ). I do think it's because he's circumcised, I am almost 100% sure that's why.
Although I've never actually had the pleasure of being with an intact man I can kind of guess what the differences would be from knowing the functions of the foreskin ect.

This is only the physical aspect of sex and of course usually there's a lot more to it. But if the physical part is uncomfortable or plain ole hurts that will effect the whole thing.
post #32 of 48
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I've never noticed a difference in taste during oral sex because all of my partners, intact or circ'd had proper hygiene.
Oh mine too, I was mentioning a taste difference mostly fresh out of the shower actually. A cut guy will tend to taste like whatever he washed with or whatever his boxers were washed in (I notice this is only if you get to him within a few hours of showering, otherwise he just tastes like skin) and I found that kind of odd.
post #33 of 48
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I guess I get kind of personally insulted with threads like these. Mostly because the undercurrent of the post is "uncut men will have better sex lives" which I disagree with. (obviously) I am circumcised, but I dont need lube to masturbate, and yes I may not be the fastest at climaxing, but I know my girlfriend would like it if I could last longer.
Main thing I wanted to touch on here was the last part. Of course, i dont mean for this to seem attacking, just my thoughts/experience. You say you dont need lube to masturbate, so I am assuming you have enough skin to slide over the head. I can do the same (with restoration), which is much better then having no sliding, but do you really think it wouldn't be better with the more nerve rich "elastic" skin hugging the head recieving pleasure of its own? That the head wouldn't be more receptive kept "fresh"? You/we may not know exactly how much differance there would be, but certainly better, right? Now, with lube and masturbation (holding shaftskin taught) it is a bit more comparable since you control the pressure and friction much easier then you can the "baggy" shaftskin circed guys like us have, but the same cant be said for sex, you can control thrusting, but not pressure, you cant "press" through the kernalization.

You also mention "time to orgasm", which is another thing you/we wont know the exact differance on, but I see it this way. Restoration has let me glimpse how more sensitivity doesn't mean faster orgasm, but instead more control and better orgasms. Also, when people mention the, I can last longer, thing I wonder if instead, more pleasure for her, is what they are REALLY looking for. That might not be your case since your skin is looser, but I am sure it is for many couples.

Some people mention experiences from guys circed as adults, but remember, a guy cut at 20 hasn't had his glans exposed for 20 years like a guy his same age cut as an infant. And depending on why the circumcision was done, there can be bias (hated foreskin), along with physical problems (phimosis, tight frenulum), that can screw with the experience.... just like various things can change the above pleasure experiences.

All that said though, I agree that sensitivity isn't my main concern with circumcision, however, to varying degrees it affects not only the guy, but also his partner.
post #34 of 48
The first guy i slept with was intact - although i did not realize, lol! He was unable to have sex without a condom because he foreskin pulled and hurt him. To this day i dont understand how and why this happened - but honest to goodness we tried and he needed the support of a condom to 'get in.'

DH is circ and it makes me sad =( he is a great partner and we have never had any problems sexually, it just makes me sad to see him with that red scar line.
post #35 of 48
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Also, when people mention the, I can last longer, thing I wonder if instead, more pleasure for her, is what they are REALLY looking for.
That is interesting. Maybe with the added benefit of the foreskin of her partner a woman might not need as long to achieve orgasm.

I never thought of it that way, but it very well might be true.
post #36 of 48
I've had both and can't tell a difference. The best sex I've ever had is with my current boyfriend and he's circ'ed. The worst sex I've ever had was circ'ed.
post #37 of 48
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DH is circ and it makes me sad =( he is a great partner and we have never had any problems sexually, it just makes me sad to see him with that red scar line.
same here

he's in the process of restoring though! he already has full coverage over his glans after just 10 months! he wants to try to see if he can get it to hang a bit past his glans. Sorry if that's TMI I'm just so proud of him
post #38 of 48
agreed and because of this i cant be with a cut man again i just dont get aroused
post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by LavenderMae View Post
It's a fact that circumcision alters the natural state of intercourse/oral and manual as well. That doesn't mean sex with a circumcised man (or woman) can't be great but it is not how it was intended to be.
There does seem to be certain complications or negatives to sex with a circumcised man especially as a woman ages. I always just figured I was supposed to be sore and chapped after intercourse and it has only gotten worse as I've gotten older and had more children. My dh is not rough either(he knows I'm not a fan ). I do think it's because he's circumcised, I am almost 100% sure that's why.
Although I've never actually had the pleasure of being with an intact man I can kind of guess what the differences would be from knowing the functions of the foreskin ect.

This is only the physical aspect of sex and of course usually there's a lot more to it. But if the physical part is uncomfortable or plain ole hurts that will effect the whole thing.
I know a woman who has the same problems with sex as she ages, and her partner is intact.
post #40 of 48
My daughter's dad is gay and has been with a LOT of men, and he says there is a huge difference in sensitivity and responsiveness between circed and intact men - intact men are much more responsive and enjoy subtle stimulation more than circed men.
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