To those women who "can compare": Please do. - Page 3

[Mommiska]

Originally Posted by angelcat

I know a woman who has the same problems with sex as she ages, and her partner is intact.

I suspect that when women are post-menopausal, there might be some need for some additional lubrication, even if their partners are intact. But I don't think it is nearly as widespread or severe as in women who have cut partners.

I've talked about it with my Mom a bit. My Dad is intact, and she says they (now) need minimal lubrication (never needed it before the menopause), but that sex is never uncomfortable/painful.

This is in direct opposition to the stories I hear from my friends who are my age (in their 30's) and who need lubrication (and plenty of it) with their cut husbands, and who find that sex can be sore/uncomfortable (and consequently, they would just as soon give it a miss...).

Can't speak as a post-menopausal woman, but sex is never uncomfortable/painful/sore (my dh is intact), and we've never had to use artificial lubrication.

But aside from anecdotal evidence (which is all we can have, as no one has done any studies on this) - doesn't it stand to reason that cutting off part of the penis will negatively effect how the penis works?

Millions of years of evolution (or God, if you believe in special creation) designed the penis perfectly for its main function - sex and procreation. It's insane to mess with that - and there is no way you are going to come up with a penis that 'works better'. It might work well (especially for the 'luckier' cut guy who was left with more skin than your average cut guy), but it's never going to work the way it was intended to work, sadly.

[angelcat]

Originally Posted by Mommiska

I suspect that when women are post-menopausal, there might be some need for some additional lubrication, even if their partners are intact. But I don't think it is nearly as widespread or severe as in women who have cut partners.

I've talked about it with my Mom a bit. My Dad is intact, and she says they (now) need minimal lubrication (never needed it before the menopause), but that sex is never uncomfortable/painful.

This is in direct opposition to the stories I hear from my friends who are my age (in their 30's) and who need lubrication (and plenty of it) with their cut husbands, and who find that sex can be sore/uncomfortable (and consequently, they would just as soon give it a miss...).

Can't speak as a post-menopausal woman, but sex is never uncomfortable/painful/sore (my dh is intact), and we've never had to use artificial lubrication.

But aside from anecdotal evidence (which is all we can have, as no one has done any studies on this) - doesn't it stand to reason that cutting off part of the penis will negatively effect how the penis works?

Millions of years of evolution (or God, if you believe in special creation) designed the penis perfectly for its main function - sex and procreation. It's insane to mess with that - and there is no way you are going to come up with a penis that 'works better'. It might work well (especially for the 'luckier' cut guy who was left with more skin than your average cut guy), but it's never going to work the way it was intended to work, sadly.

I just don't think it is fair to blame the guy. The woman I am talking about is unnable to have sex at all now, and as I said, her partner is intact. I think it's just part of aging.

And I've needed lube with intact guys.

[LavenderMae]

I guess we can just keep on blaming the women (like that's a new concept) and just ignore the fact that male circumcision changes sexual intercourse and changes the penis in some profound ways. I don't blame circumcised men very few of them actually chose to be circumcised.
I am not close to being menopausal btw.
I am sure there are women who still have problems with soreness ect eventhough their partners are intact. A man being intact just assures that sex will be had as it was intended from a physical stand point (all other things equal or whatever).
Circumcision clearly changes the penis ,an integral part of it is missing afterall. That doesn't mean sex with a circumcised man can't be great.
This is a touchy topic obviously.

[jserral]

Originally Posted by angelcat

I just don't think it is fair to blame the guy. The woman I am talking about is unnable to have sex at all now, and as I said, her partner is intact. I think it's just part of aging.

And I've needed lube with intact guys.

I dont think anyone is blaming the guy, just circumcision. Also, the blame isn't only put on that, it is also put on aging (not the woman). Both play a part in what others are talking about, and of course what exactly the problem is varies, some things may or may not apply.

[dinahx]

I can only compare circed to 60% intact . . .

Comparing: Intact 100% hotter! Easier in terms of BJ, sexier and less painful in terms of abrasion. That's my take on it! Go foreskins!

[homemademomma]

my first sex partner was intact. i was young (14), but i remember it being pretty great. lol.

sorry not much help. but i have been an intactivist since i was 14! i remember having a heated conversation with a later boyfriend's dad (i was maybe 16 or 17?) about reasons not to circ.

[phatchristy]

There is a large difference in terms of sensitivity for the men, as well as the overall experience for the woman. Some of these differences you will not notice (as a woman) unless you are in a long term relationship with the person.

I can compare with the same man, tightly circ'd/loosely circ'd/semi-restored.

No question, the more skin the better. The man is more sensitive, easier to please, intercouse is noticably more comfortable/better feeling for me (as well as him). I don't get irritated like I used to, and the need for lube is dramatically reduced (likely if he was fully restored it would be eliminated...keep in mind I'm breastfeeding as well which can negatively impact lube).

[CorasMama]

(Hoping none of my former lovers read this)

I've faked it 99% of the time with the circed men I've been with. I never have to fake it with my wonderful, intact, dh. Ever!

I have had wonderful lovers who were circed, but honestly that was more technique than anything else. It feels like, though he has great technique, dh doesn't need as much technique or "tricks". It's just naturally wonderful!