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Poll Results: Are schools failing our sons more than our daughters?

 
  • 66% (35)
    I think they are failing our sons more than our daughters
  • 24% (13)
    I do not think they are failing more boys than girls
  • 9% (5)
    Other
53 Total Votes  
post #21 of 30
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Originally Posted by kmeyrick View Post

Also, is our CULTURE failing our boys? Violent, gruesome television provides role models for boys. They are growing obese due to junk food and lack of exercise. Would they be able to sit more in the classroom if they got to exercise in the morning or in after-school sports? (Even though it's easier to turn on the tube.) Go into Barnes and Noble and most of the books will be geared to girls, not boys.
And circumcision. We, as a culture, start failing boys from day 1.
post #22 of 30


and i wanted to say that my ds has been diagnosed ADD, and the school's recommendation this fall was to take him to our pediatrician (when we had our meeting and it came up he doesnt qualify for special services) and I told them no!! I said "no im sorry, the only thing the pediatrician can do for me is recommend medicating and Im not medicating my 6 year old!!!!

Last year he was in an afternoon reading program (with morning Kindergarten) and the teacher he had filled out on his ADD checklist behavioral (in other children's space) problems as well as anxiety..... His morning Kindegarten teacher and his teacher this year did not see the anxiety!!! So, based on the checklists alone, i see a difference in that one teacher. Next year she will be teaching grade 2, and I have requested that he not have her again..

Now his teacher this year teaches the whole child!! He is allowed to get up and walk across the room to get his folder stored on the shelf, stand at his chair, etc. they do a ton of hands on learning, and they do sky writing when practicing letter formation (using the whole upper arm) and new word sounds, etc.

He is doing great this year and I know its because he has a wonderful teacher and I pray that he gets a good one next year too!!

Im prepared to home school him later on if things get too hard for him. Right now he seems to enjoy school for the most part. He likes the socializing and being busy.
post #23 of 30
I think our schools are failing all our children, boys and girls, but in different ways.

I don't think that socializing girls to be sweet, to sit down, to be "peaceful" all the time, and respect authority and do their work neatly and all those things that girls supposedly enjoy more than boys is doing young women any favors either.
post #24 of 30
[QUOTE=kmeyrick;10725164I wish there were more male teachers, I really do.[/QUOTE]

Me too! In ds elementary school there are exactly two men on the staff: the custodian and the man who drives the school van.
post #25 of 30
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Originally Posted by angela&avery View Post

Now his teacher this year teaches the whole child!! He is allowed to get up and walk across the room to get his folder stored on the shelf, stand at his chair, etc. they do a ton of hands on learning, and they do sky writing when practicing letter formation (using the whole upper arm) and new word sounds, etc.
I wrote an article on that this month. I sent it off for publication, so not sure what my rights are as far as posting it right now.

The basic idea behind the article is listed on my blog. Go to my blog (see my signature) then click on "Quick Blog." It's more about how Montessori helps students like this, but it focuses on the importance of movement.

Matt
post #26 of 30
I don't agree with this.

I have a child in kindergarten now and she is one of the most outspoken children in the classroom, along with several other little girls. They get in trouble right up there with the boys. There are both quiet girls/boys and loud boys/girls. It just depends. But I definitely see no preferences towards one sex or the other. In fact, both of my boys have always been very laid back and calm. Our daughter came as quite the surprise! I have never been the type to compare children like that.
post #27 of 30
My son is also quiet and doesn't have any problems reading or doing paperwork. He was a slow writer (by slow I mean 5 years old) but has more than caught up.

I still think they are failing the social/emotional parts of our boys. When boys need support in navigating boyhood, and a lot of this happens during school hours, the schools tend to write it off as either things that should be allowed to develop naturally (like the ability to hold your own in a fight--hello? My husband doesn't get into fights, ever, in his daily life) OR they come down very hard with three-strikes-and-your-out rules without regard to the backstories. Either way can be damaging.

More male teachers. I noticed THE male teacher at DS' school has gotten a megaphone now. Hee!
post #28 of 30
I agree on the "more elementary male teachers" thing (mostly for different reasons than everyone has presented, but that's neither here nor there), but there has been, for quite a while now, a view of teaching, especially at the elementary level, as not being a respectable profession. The profession of teaching, in many ways, falls into the same category as that of doctor or public servant ... "noble professions;" someone whose work serves society as a whole.

Somehow, however, this view has gotten lost, and teaching has become something of a second-class profession. I've had people tell me that teaching elementary school is a waste of my intelligence, and I honestly don't have the first clue how to respond to things like that. Um... if we're not expecting our best and brightest (not that i'm best and brightest, or even better and brighter, but I'd say I'm smarter than the average bear ) to go into education, they won't.

How does gender fit into all this? Well... whether our schools are failing them are not (I think they are, not to the degree that most here seem to think they are, and not in the same ways), men still hold most of the prestige/power in society. Traditionally, those in power choose "power" professions. This is changing somewhat as the ratio of men and women in post-secondary education shifts to the female side, but there is still a strong social implication that while it is perfectly acceptable for a man to become an elementary school teachers (I know some GREAT, and some not-so-great for that matter, male primary school teachers), it's still a feminine domain, and therefore in many ways a step down. This hasn't, historically, always been the case. Education was once nearly strictly a strictly masculine domain.

And as for the original question, as to how or if our schools are failing our boys... I would, as some have mentioned, raise it up a level. Our culture (as it is expressed both by our schools and innumerable other cultural conveyances), in many ways, fails our boys (and in doing so, our girls as well). Schooling exists in a society not just to teach facts, but to pass along cultural standards and such. Loathe as we may be to admit it, school is homogenizing by its very nature. This is part of why many people find homeschooling to be threatening... homeschooling takes the inherent power of social molding away from society as a whole, as expressed through the school, and puts it directly in the hands of individuals. Interestingly, compared to, say, the schools of the late 19th century, our schools are crazy hippie dens of creativity and free-thought. Of course, education was neither mandatory (oh, I could go on about this one for a while, but won't, since I've already bored you all to tears) by law nor required to make a living back then, so chances were that those still in school, both boys and girls, were actually interested in learning what was being taught.

Suffice it to say I voted "other." But what do I know, really... I spent my afternoon teaching a bunch of five to nine year olds how to sew felt dolls. A waste of intellect, some might say.
post #29 of 30
I voted that I agree that the schools are failing boys. There is a difference in how boys are treated and girls (i have two boys and one girl in public school right now).

I think the elementary schools could start benefiting everyone if they would give the kids more recess, I seriously think you would notice a drop in kids labeled "ADD", if they had more time to run and play.
post #30 of 30
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Originally Posted by Mamax3 View Post
I voted that I agree that the schools are failing boys. There is a difference in how boys are treated and girls (i have two boys and one girl in public school right now).

I think the elementary schools could start benefiting everyone if they would give the kids more recess, I seriously think you would notice a drop in kids labeled "ADD", if they had more time to run and play.
I agree with this one.

My experience with the school my kids goes to is that if you have a boy with a summer or fall birthday and is struggling with reading, they are more likely to push retention than actually try to figure out why your son is struggling. Boys with January-May birthdays or whose parents academic redshirted them seem to get more prompt intervention.

And when they retain a student, there is no support or intervention until they figure out 2/3rds of the way through the repeat year that the student isn't progressing.

About the recess thing... my second son's second grade class has a lot of boys that a lot of people would say "those boys have ADD"... those boys are expected to sit still in class for 20-30 minutes at a stretch. The PE teacher complains that she has to make a few of them run a couple of laps so they can focus on her directions.
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