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post #21 of 36
Just wanted to weigh in and say we were a one-bedroom family with four kids until they were 3, 4, 7, and 8. At that point the 7 and 8 year olds moved into their own room. We used the bedroom only for sleeping and clothes/linen storage, not playing. It's a pretty small room and we fit a king, a queen, and twin bunks plus dressers (also there is a good-sized closet). I think the one-family-bedroom concept is very workable IF you are open to it.

I had to be very strict at the kids' bedtime, that everyone must be quiet so the others can go to sleep. I often sang or told stories to all of them at once to help distract them so they wouldn't make noise or goof around. I had to lie with them until at least the littles were asleep (still do). But it worked well for us.

I didn't mind hearing them all breathe through the night, and if they were sick it was nice to be able to hear what was going on. I guess I'm probably in the minority, but I was kind of sad when the older two moved out. In your situation I would definitely consider using only one bedroom.

Another thing, my kids haven't always been thrilled by this but in our house (until the boys got their own room) all space was shared space. The kids never had their "own" space and coped fine without privacy; they could find their own corner or I could help create a hidey-hole if they needed space "alone." I think most people aren't used to living this way, but it's worked fine in our family. It helps to think outside the box. Good luck!
post #22 of 36
Oh I would KILL for that apartment! Wow. I think it's doable, too!
post #23 of 36
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Originally Posted by amyamanda View Post
Just wanted to weigh in and say we were a one-bedroom family with four kids until they were 3, 4, 7, and 8. At that point the 7 and 8 year olds moved into their own room. We used the bedroom only for sleeping and clothes/linen storage, not playing. It's a pretty small room and we fit a king, a queen, and twin bunks plus dressers (also there is a good-sized closet). I think the one-family-bedroom concept is very workable IF you are open to it.

I had to be very strict at the kids' bedtime, that everyone must be quiet so the others can go to sleep. I often sang or told stories to all of them at once to help distract them so they wouldn't make noise or goof around. I had to lie with them until at least the littles were asleep (still do). But it worked well for us.

I didn't mind hearing them all breathe through the night, and if they were sick it was nice to be able to hear what was going on. I guess I'm probably in the minority, but I was kind of sad when the older two moved out. In your situation I would definitely consider using only one bedroom.

Another thing, my kids haven't always been thrilled by this but in our house (until the boys got their own room) all space was shared space. The kids never had their "own" space and coped fine without privacy; they could find their own corner or I could help create a hidey-hole if they needed space "alone." I think most people aren't used to living this way, but it's worked fine in our family. It helps to think outside the box. Good luck!
thanks for sharing! i'm very open to this, because now, in a 3 bedroom house, we are a 1-bedroom family, if this makes sense. we all sleep together, and no-one has their own room, and all the space is shared. we are in a very cold climate, so it helps to have a large area downstairs where the kids run around and ride their bikes, and have a small slide , but on many days we can't go out at all. and the house is "attached" to dh's job, so a smaller place would cost us the same amount of money, besides the benefit of privacy and the running space. but when he changes jobs, there's no way i can see justifying a 3 bedroom house. and besides, we can't even afford one where we want!

i'm so attracted to that space, because it gives an illusion of a large space...while most of the "typical" one-bedrooms have tiny living rooms as well, and low ceilings, and "feel" smaller...

we still have time to find a perfect place for us, even if that one doesn't work out, but i'm so glad i stumbled on that apartment, because i'm somehow more confident and more inspired by a small place now!
post #24 of 36
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that is lovely but way to small. and no privacy. I would want at least two bedrooms with one closed off. cause sometimes you just need your space. the down stairs looks wonderful. the perfect size but the bedroom situation just doesn't cut it. that is a single bed and a small dresser. and that is it. My smallest bedroom is 9x9. there is room for a double bed and small dresser. that leaves about 24 inches of walking/playing/sitting space. from head to foot there is just enough room to get the closet door half open.

also i would be far more scared of the railing than the stairs. that railing would scare the crap out of me.

it is beautiful though.

here are some pictures to give you an idea how furniture fits. this room is slightly larger than the one in the condo.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...m/DSC05819.jpg
the head of the bed is in one corner. the window is in the other corner. in the small amount of space that is left the closet door has to open and close. (those are fairly standard sized windows). that is a double sized bed on bottom.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...m/DSC05817.jpg
this is one whole wall.that little bok shelf is actually one that is supposed to go over the toilet but our bathroom is too small. so it is about 5cm wider than a toilet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...m/DSC05825.jpg

this one shows another wall. the bed you are seeing there is twin/single sized.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...m/DSC05818.jpg
this one give a feel for the amount of walkway she has. the dresser is on the left and the bed on the right.

We could fit 4 people in that room to sleep. but the rest of our house would be a disaster. clothes and toys everywhere. we could probably fit one king sized mattress in there. but nothing else. and we probably wouldn't be able to access the closet.

in the pictures of the condo I couldn't tell where the doors for the closet and bathroom were. that is something you need to consider when looking at usable space. Ava has to rearrange her room to open her closet door. (its a bean bag so it isn't a big deal but still.)

but since the place you are looking at is so small (no play room, small living room and kitchen) you have to keep in mind if it won't fit in the bedroom where is it going to fit.

I am a huge fan of small and would like to get to a smaller home but I tink that is really pushing it.

thank you for the detailed thoughts!

i guess we will be looking for another small one...my problem is that i'm imagining my kids and myself on our best day--harmonious and happy then we could fit. if we are not doing so well, we'd be jumping off that railing
post #25 of 36
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i keep finding these really tiny, cute places!

nice windows, though!
post #26 of 36
Moodymaximus, there are some *great* neighbourhoods in Ottawa for families. I grew up hanging around in Ottawa South, the Glebe, and the Market. I suggest learning about the neighbourhoods first, if you haven't already. Both of the condos that you link to had photos taken with fish-eye lenses, so keep that in mind - they will look smaller in real life, guaranteed. I would *never* consider living in a home with children without a bedroom that can be totally closed off - walls and door. In addition to sound issues, light issues would be a problem. It just doesn't seem practical IMO.
post #27 of 36
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Moodymaximus, there are some *great* neighbourhoods in Ottawa for families. I grew up hanging around in Ottawa South, the Glebe, and the Market. I suggest learning about the neighbourhoods first, if you haven't already. Both of the condos that you link to had photos taken with fish-eye lenses, so keep that in mind - they will look smaller in real life, guaranteed. I would *never* consider living in a home with children without a bedroom that can be totally closed off - walls and door. In addition to sound issues, light issues would be a problem. It just doesn't seem practical IMO.
yeah, i'm aware of the lens issue...slowly learning about the neighbourhoods...also realising they are out of our budget...
post #28 of 36
That seems small for 4 people. But it would depend on how long you are planning to live there.

I live in an old farmhouse with 3 small/one is tiny-- with no closet, just peg hooks-- Tiny! bedrooms. It's really not 'big enough', and I am hoping to add about 800 sq feet down the road. Oh, we make it work, and we love where we are, but it's not the easiest thing in the world. You have to constantly be on guard about what comes in and keep trying to get things out.

When the children were tiny, it would have been near- perfect. But since their clothing, shoes and boots are nearly as big as adults, I find just hanging winter coats by the door takes up a ton of room. Add in mud boots, mutliple winter gloves, hats and scarves, and such and you're looking at some major space issues..and that's just by the door. I do not want them tracking muddy, or snowy boots through the house, and if they are left outside we have frost issues.

And you really don't want muddy wellies tracking bird poop in the house is summer.

I like the thought of reasonable space--- i think we've gone crazy with McMansions in this country, but I am still a realist. Its not so easy to have a lot of bodies in a small space. You can get rid of the toys and counter appliances, but some people still like coats and boats and places to curl up and read in peace.

I would also reconsider air mattresses as permanent beds...they aren't that comfy, and they don't really lend themselves to children snuggling up and reading in your arms...they are hard to sit on, ime. And kids really do like jumping on them,. and unlike beds, don't stand up as well to jumping...
post #29 of 36
It definately is a cute place but there is no way I could do it with 3 kids. It would be very loud as PP mentioned, your neighbors could bug you to no end, no room for storage and everything would look really cluttered even if you really didn't have that much stuff for an adult plus 3 kids. You throw in the lack of space and winter indoors -- enough said from my perspective.
post #30 of 36
We live in a open concept loft with two bedrooms plus we've partioned off a study as well. Our footprint is 900sf, our bedrooms are on a mezzanine level. Its a tight squeeze with a 6, 3 and soon to be new babe. We've spent a lot on built-in bookcases, banquet seating around the table with storage, and done some serious decluttering. Still very tight. Noise issues aren't a problem here, nap time for the younger one means quieter activities for the older one and they've only ever known falling asleep with other peoples noise. We have great sound walls and don't hear our neighbours, that would be my bigger concern.
post #31 of 36

no

it is lovely for maybe three, but 4 and an occasional dh, i would considr a 2 bdrm.

I think the style is clouding the practicality.

Good luck in deciding!
post #32 of 36
It looks roomy enough to make a room patrician that can act as the kid's room. I think it's doable. It's bigger than our 2 bedroom apartment and we also have 3 kids.
post #33 of 36
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I would also reconsider air mattresses as permanent beds...they aren't that comfy, and they don't really lend themselves to children snuggling up and reading in your arms...they are hard to sit on, ime. And kids really do like jumping on them,. and unlike beds, don't stand up as well to jumping...
Instead, I would definitely consider 4" thick rollable foam mattresses that can be laid out side-by-side. They are comfortable, cheap, durable, and easily stowable in a closet or stacked. You could make covers that function as a sheet that are easily removable for washing (obviously any colour or print). We have some mattresses like that for guests that my children *love* playing with and making forts out of. I wouldn't have any problem sleeping on them every night and have considered using them as a more comfortable version of the futon concept. To join them together, you can make loops out of ribbon that join adjacent mattresses together like this.

Dows Lake and Experimental Farm areas (4501 and 4505) in "Ottawa West" are lovely and quiet.

If possible, I would wait a month or two when more homes will be on the market...winter still has a stronghold there.
post #34 of 36
It looks cute, but I wouldn't do it... We're currently in a two bedroom apartment with three kids, and it's definitley not enough room for us.
post #35 of 36
We've got three kids (14,12,9) and we live in a 2-bedroom apt that is about 750 sq ft. We've been here about 8 years.

There are days that I hate it and others that its fine. Our only problem is that we have too much clutter. Once I get that under control, it won't be so bad. That said, I would love to have one more bedroom.
post #36 of 36
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Originally Posted by Ksenia View Post
Instead, I would definitely consider 4" thick rollable foam mattresses that can be laid out side-by-side. They are comfortable, cheap, durable, and easily stowable in a closet or stacked. You could make covers that function as a sheet that are easily removable for washing (obviously any colour or print). We have some mattresses like that for guests that my children *love* playing with and making forts out of. I wouldn't have any problem sleeping on them every night and have considered using them as a more comfortable version of the futon concept. To join them together, you can make loops out of ribbon that join adjacent mattresses together like this.

Dows Lake and Experimental Farm areas (4501 and 4505) in "Ottawa West" are lovely and quiet.

If possible, I would wait a month or two when more homes will be on the market...winter still has a stronghold there.

thank you, UUmom and Ksenia! i now remember we did sleep on foam before we had kids, and it wasn't bad!

i didn't know there are more houses on the market in the summer. this is good to know!
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