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Originally Posted by triple07
 I feel so dumb but i had no idea that MW were illegal!
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Originally Posted by PassionateWriter
I am really torn on "legalizing" midwives..they did that here in NH and well, now they regulate them out of helping alot of women (including myself). Its reallya struggle.
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Originally Posted by russianthistle
Here, in Michigan, we have traditional lay midwives...there are really no laws restricting midwifery. I like the way it is here.
I know that the same kind of thing happened in Canada to some degree...it was legalized then gov't regulated...not something that worked as well as officials may perceive. Perhaps it will always be a struggle, this adversity against midwives and home birthing. Nevertheless, I sure hope that our society sees the error of medicalizing absolutely everything under the sun. |
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Originally Posted by PassionateWriter
well, they arent illegal in most states.
in NH, however, CNM's can no longer attend a VBAC outside a hospital (could 2 years ago w/ my VBAC). CPM's cant atttend a VBAC w/ more than 1 c/s... .....see how it goes? also, neither can attend a twin homebirth... nor prob. GB+ pre E etc. etc. etc. |
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Originally Posted by nccrunchymama
Well, yesterday I went to a Legislative meeting. I've never been to one before. It was really interesting. It was to discuss legalizing homebirth midwives here in NC. The first couple of speakers didn't really seem to say anything that would help or hurt. Then someone from the group that certifies mw's (NARM?) spoke and she really knew her stuff. I was glad to hear such a great voice for CPM's. Then, of course, they had someone opposed speak, and really, he was an idiot. He quoted statistics multiple times, but he changed the numbers each time. And he kept harping about education and that since CNM's have to have a BS degree, and CPM's don't, he kept saying that a CPM could be a "high school dropout". Then he really stirred the pot when he said that having a homebirth was like driving without a seat belt. Not safe but some people do it anyway. When someone mentioned that the CPM could be like the seat belt, the audience clapped. Well, apparently that was not allowed because the Co-chair threatened to clear the room. Could she not just say, "clapping is not allowed."? I didn't know that and I'm sure I wasn't the only person there who had never been to a legislative meeting. Anyway, he shot himself in the foot when someone asked him if CPM's were legalized, would he be interested in overseeing them. It was amazing how big-headed he got in that moment. I was glad to hear someone else remind him that the committee was not deciding whether to legalize homebirth. Just the midwives participation in the homebirth. Anyway, for the opposition, he didn't do much good.
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). Had I not had a competent, trained CPM there to act accordingly things could very well have turned bad quickly. With my 3rd babe I had a major PPH. I bleed so much my bp couldn't be detected and I was starting to go into shock. My mw and doula (who was a nurse) acted quickly to give me the meds, IV fluids, and O2 I needed to stop the bleeding while my dh called the EMTs. By the time the EMTs got to our house everything had stabalized and I refused transport. Had we decided on a UC for that birth I may have bled out like the doc described. I love how his assertion that some of us will take risks like driving w/o our seat belts was basically saying that those of us who choose to hb don't deserve to have skilled, competent attendants. Its just so sad that most docs like him come from such a place of fear.|
Originally Posted by Amber Lion
I'm done, I'm done, I'm done!!! No more school for a week! Yeah!!!!
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Originally Posted by birthdancedoula
I was there, too! I was up front in a green and orange print shirt sitting between my dh and my bf who was wearing her tiny babe in a sling. I was at the first one as well but despite the fact that the first one had more doctors speak spewing their bs about why hb is so "unsafe," this meeting was so much harder to sit through at the end. The faster my blood sugar dropped the angrier I got at what that doc was saying. Could he have said CPMs are just high-school drop-outs one more time?? Funny thing was that I have been in 3 of the "dangerous" situations he described...my 2nd had shoulder dystocia and was floppy(and was born in the town he mentioned was so far away from medical care
). Had I not had a competent, trained CPM there to act accordingly things could very well have turned bad quickly. With my 3rd babe I had a major PPH. I bleed so much my bp couldn't be detected and I was starting to go into shock. My mw and doula (who was a nurse) acted quickly to give me the meds, IV fluids, and O2 I needed to stop the bleeding while my dh called the EMTs. By the time the EMTs got to our house everything had stabalized and I refused transport. Had we decided on a UC for that birth I may have bled out like the doc described. I love how his assertion that some of us will take risks like driving w/o our seat belts was basically saying that those of us who choose to hb don't deserve to have skilled, competent attendants. Its just so sad that most docs like him come from such a place of fear. |
Was your bf's baby the newborn on the front row? I sat a few rows back on the left with my bf. Dh and dd didn't make it. They needed a day together since he's been working lunatic hours lately. My bf warned me before we went in that at these things, there is usually someone who will say stuff that makes you want to "claw his eyes out". When he started talking, I knew it would be him. I could not believe some of the garbage he spouted out. You are probably a perfect example of why CPM's should be able to practice legally. It is not common, but as you said, a competent, trained CPM knew exactly what to do. I'm glad you had one. And I think you're right about his seat belt comment. It really seems like he thinks we should go it alone and suffer for taking a risk rather than be allowed to have a properly trained attendant who could reduce the risk. I have to say, he is the perfect example of the dr I DON'T want. He would certainly not care what the mother wants. And his attitude shows up in too many hospitals. That's why I'm planning a homebirth. 
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Originally Posted by russianthistle
Does anyone else ever experience that weird, surreal feeling that you're not really pregnant? Sometimes, I just feel like I'm pretending...like it's all make-believe...then I remember that I'm not menstruating, and of course that's a pretty big signal...that and the tightness of my pants and bras.
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I think I would love it there though!
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