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post #21 of 60
I made the mistake of watching that new Discovery show "Deliver Me" the other day (marginally better than "A Baby Story", but still fully the typical mainstream stuff you'd expect). A mother on there was induced with Pitocin . . . TWO DAYS after her due date. I just love how there's no further explanation of this, let alone a discussion of it. Just "She's 'overdue' therefore we are inducing, the end." No medical reasons whatsoever. And most people who watch these shows are just going to file that away in their own understanding of how all this works, so when they're in the same position, of course they're just gonna freakin' swallow it. So many people think they're "educating themselves" by watching all these shows.

What really galled me was that when they examined her prior to this, her cervix was 80% effaced and she was one centimeter dilated. HELLO? Doesn't that mean she is totally on the way to going into labor spontaneously? Like, possibly within a day or two??? I. just. don't. understand.

The woman was also 'determined to have a natural birth'. So even after Pitocin, and later, rupturing her amniotic sac, she tried to resist an epidural - even using a doula. I don't know where to begin with that! Dude, you're already not having a NATURAL birth - I frankly think it's so counterproductive to consent to these other interventions and then try t resist an epidural, as if that's ALL natural childbirth is about. No wonder some people dismiss the desire for natural birth as martyrdom. If she had educated herself even a little bit about the interventions LEADING TO the need for an epidural, she could have had a totally different outcome.

OP, your friend may have already made up her mind, but since she does say that she doesn't want a c-section, I'd recommend at least presenting her with the research on how these interventions may very well lead her directly into one anyway. And if you feel like going the extra mile, I'd also look into the this has-to-be-BS claim about it being "illegal" to go over due by 3 days & see if it's based on anything at all in your state. What a CROCK. As if a due date isn't an estimate based on an estimate ANYWAY.

Can you tell this topic really irks me?
post #22 of 60
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Originally Posted by RoseDuperre View Post
The woman was also 'determined to have a natural birth'. So even after Pitocin, and later, rupturing her amniotic sac, she tried to resist an epidural - even using a doula. I don't know where to begin with that! Dude, you're already not having a NATURAL birth - I frankly think it's so counterproductive to consent to these other interventions and then try t resist an epidural, as if that's ALL natural childbirth is about. No wonder some people dismiss the desire for natural birth as martyrdom. If she had educated herself even a little bit about the interventions LEADING TO the need for an epidural, she could have had a totally different outcome.
while i agree with you for the most part, i think it is commendable if the woman is trying to avoid drugs for pain even with a pitocin induced/augmented labor (especially since almost everyone says that pitocin labor is much more painful that a truly natural labor.) i have known a couple of women who were induced (for stupid reasons, yes) but they didn't have an epidural or other pain medication, and i definitely think there are benefits to be had by avoiding pain medication if you can handle the labor without it.
post #23 of 60
^^ Good point there. I actually do agree when you put it so well - I think was just so caught up in the frustration of watching what was presented to be a pointless induction that I got hung up on the paradoxical part. If there's a genuine medical reason to induce (or even if there's not), I can still see why avoiding pain meds is a commendable goal.

Thanks for taking my rantiness down to earth a bit.
post #24 of 60
completely understandable!!!
post #25 of 60
Unbelievable.
post #26 of 60
What I really want to say won't make it past the censors, so let me just say BLARGH!!!! I shouldn't still find it so shocking that doctors are willing to put their own convenience ahead of their patient's health, but somehow, I do!

I pray that your friend either does not get induced, or that she safely delivers a healthy baby if she does. I am quite frankly shocked that they want to force delivery of a baby that is not even term. Disgusting.
post #27 of 60
I think that's standard care nowadays. Most women are happy to be done and many are glad to get out of labor pain. Its misinformed and very sad.
post #28 of 60
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Originally Posted by ~Megan~ View Post
I think that's standard care nowadays. Most women are happy to be done and many are glad to get out of labor pain. Its misinformed and very sad.
I totally agree. I have a lot of friends having babies recently and every single one of them (at least all who go to OBs) have been threatened with induction for various reasons. All of them were told that the doctor would not let the pregnancy go past 41 weeks. Most of them have been told their baby will be too big based on ultrasound (and for some reason they all think 9 lbs is big - yeah, big side of normal, but not big). Three of them were told to schedule c-sections because of what seem like totally unrelated health issues. As I said in an earlier post, three women have mentioned that nurses encouraged them to give formula instead of breastfeeding because their 1-day-old babies had lost a few ounces.

I mean seriously. It's really scary. And I am repeatedly shocked that these seemingly intelligent women buy this without researching any of it. And maybe in the end, you research and ask questions and you don't reach the same conclusions I did, but at least you've looked into it. A lot of these women just do whatever they're told without considering options.

Argh. Thanks for listening and ranting with me. I just can't get over this kind of thing. Every time I hear these "baby is going to be too big so we're inducing" or "I'm 3 days past my due date so we're inducing" stories I get really upset.

And for the record, I know that sometimes inductions and c-sections are absolutely necessary. And I'm so glad that we have this medical technology to save babies and moms who need it. And I know it's scary to make a non-mainstream choice and that a lot of moms don't even know there are other options out there because we're just not told. So maybe I'm not ranting against moms who don't think about all this, but at our birthing culture in general. Either way, it's very upsetting.
post #29 of 60
does she know the risk of inducing and the path it can take
he should at least let her go to term i have lots of friends that went with ob/gyn and they always try to induce before or at term. even ob/gyn agree that 2 weeks past due date is ok so I dont know where they got the 3 day. Thank god for midwives who let women birth naturally or would all think our bodies couldnt handle birthing our own babies
1st born 8.4 3 pushes
second born (home birth) 10lbs. 30 minutes no tearing on either
if she wants to birth naturally then she shoudl definatley tell doctor no he is practicing out of fear adn that is never a good sign
post #30 of 60
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Originally Posted by KLM99 View Post
I know this to be true and it intuitively makes sense (well maybe it doesn't since repeatedly subjecting women to unnecessary interventions and women blindly accepting them without researching has become the norm it seems...but I digress). Are there any numbers or studies out there I can wield?
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Originally Posted by elfinbaby View Post
Henci Goer's The Thinking Woman's Guide... is an excellent source of research and stats. Run, run to the bookstore.
This is a great source - but just about any birth book worth it's salt will have this information. I'm a doula - I've attended about 50 births - and of the women who've gone through medical induction about 100% of them face further interventions. Why? Because "you have to be on the monitor to be on pit/ you have to be on your bed if you're on the monitor/you have to be on your back in bed/you cannot be in the shower or bath if you're in bed" so, while I do my best to get them up on all 4's or on the birth ball - there is always a nurse coming in saying 'it would be really great if you would just stay in bed' - so what does that lead to? EPIDURAL...so of course you're then flat on your back in bed...then about 75% of those women feel nothing when they are complete (that's if they dialate past getting the epidural) and the doc is happy to wheel them off to a c-section. It's a domino effect that I'm sure every birth professional has seen over and over.


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Originally Posted by sg784 View Post
I only know ONE person in real life who has had a baby vaginally (forget "naturally") since 2008. and I have met a LOT of new moms. Im at LLL every month, and tons of friends have recently had babies.
That makes me literally sick.
post #31 of 60
Thread Starter 
Update from original poster - mom decided to schedule a c-section 2 weeks before her due date because doctor had convinced her baby was going to be too big. Baby weighed in at 7 lbs. 5 oz.
post #32 of 60


It's so sad when a doctor takes advantage of a woman like that. And even sadder that she went along with it.
post #33 of 60
We really need the exploding smiley at times like this.

And I'll bet anything that the doc said, "Oh look, he was 7 lbs. ALREADY at 38 weeks! I bet he would have been 10 lbs. by full term! Good thing we got him out in time!" :
post #34 of 60
Thats so sad. And now, she probably wont be lucky enough to be able to try a VBAC (unless of course she actually does some research but...yeah...) for any future kids. I wish OBs like that could be held accountable. PLEASE, almost 3 more pounds in 2 weeks? YEAH RIGHT. My personal experience was-3 weeks early, 6lbs 14oz. 1 week early, 7 lbs 12oz. 2 weeks overdue, 8lbs 6oz. The biggest one was 8lbs 14oz born 4 days before her due date. LOL my overdue baby was smaller than my on time baby.

I also always find it funny because on ultrasound, my babys actually measure smaller than they are. I think I can safely say I have NEVER met someone who had an ultrasound be even remotely accurate on weight. My own overdue dude was ultrasounded the day before and estimated at right around 7 lbs. The next day he was born at almost a pound and a half bigger. I do know its more accurate early on though, but loses its accuracy the farther along the pregnancy is.

Ironically my old OB was the one who once told me that women dont grow babies too big to deliver. Their bodies naturally restrict growth. He said the only time there was even a question was with a tiny asian woman and her huge samoan hubby. Even then however, the baby was born smallish (I think he said around 7 pounds) with no problems. By a month old he looked very samoan however Id say coming from a Harvard educated OB with over 25 years of experience under his belt, its pretty safe to assume he knew what he was talking about. (I might also add that he had never had a case of *baby being too big to be delivered vaginally.* The only time a cesarean was needed was due to bad positioning or baby being in distress-of course, not all of those were necessary either if you think about it, but its still pretty impressive to hear from an OBs own mouth.)
post #35 of 60


Who told docs that women can't deliver 'big' babies? Why is this the go to for every doc who can't find any other reason to induce or do a csection? Why are we not educating our docs on these subjects? It seems so elementary to me. Poor women who don't know any better. It makes me angry, and sad to think about moms and babies going threw this everyday. Ultrasounds can be up to 3lbs off (or so I've heard) so that means inducing a baby that is '7lbs' could come out only being '4lbs' and underdeveloped. GGGRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #36 of 60
This happened to my friend a week before her due date. They thought the baby was (gasp!) 8 pounds and scheduled her for an induction but she went into labor the night before. 6 lbs, 12 oz.

She's pregnant again and told me at her 12 week appointment that the doctor went ahead and scheduled her for an induction at 39 weeks because she'd had such a quick (8 hour) labor last time and lived so far (15 minutes) from the hospital.

Sometimes I HONESTLY cannot believe these stories are true! But, alas, they are.
post #37 of 60
The problem is... shoulder dystocia is *much* more likely if a woman is pushing on her back... the epidural rate is like 85% in this country and so chances are you have an epidural which keeps you from moving in ways that'll help your babe out. So, I guess statistically (because of these other factors) most women don't manage to push out bigger babies. Sad, but true. Such a flawed system. That said, I have a friend who has TINY hips who managed to push out a 10 lb baby. Was she on her back? Of course not. *sigh*
post #38 of 60
Had to jump in with my favorite... I know a woman who had a fast labor with her first right at 40 wks. Only 3 hours so she "barely" made it to the hospital in time since she waited for the magical 5 min apart, 1 min long for 1 hour cx. By the time she got there she didn't get to have an epidural. (as if THAT is what birth is all about) This time her OB scheduled her for an induction at 38 wks so that she would be sure to be at the hospital for the birth. SLAYS me.

The other end of the spectrum is the natural birthing moms who lament not having a long enough labor to get in their birth tubs. LOL!

Fwiw, I did look at this woman and flat out say - clearly you didn't need the doc. I would just stay home and hire a mw if you think you need someone to "help". She looked at me like I had 7 heads...
post #39 of 60
Im mostly lurking on these boards.

I LOVE reading the stories about homebirth, VBAC's and unmedicated L&D's.

I too read too many birth stories in which everything went normal, UNTIL they started pit to speed it up (who was in a hurry?), and/or put in the epidural, etc.

One intervention always leads to another.

I had a 9 lbs baby at 42 weeks. Unmedicated. yes, I had a midwife.

C/s bring in cash. Simple. At a 1 in 3 c/s rate, there has to be an important reason, right; money!
Give the epi too soon--or too late so you're completley numb when you have to push--intervene with a natural process by using Pit, give a woman a deadline and refuse all liquids and foods and have her stay flat on her back, then it only makes sense you end up in an OR.
Its better to bill an epidural, Pit, c/s and prolonged hospital stay then to bill a natural birth. :
post #40 of 60
This really breaks my heart. And to think that "we" give away our choices willingly, most of the time.
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