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post #1 of 18
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I'm entirely in favor of organic cotton or hemp clothing (or better yet, used!). I know all the arguments in favor of it, and against chemical fiber production. So far, for Naked Baby we've bought only organic, used, or locally decorated clothing - but the difference in baby clothing costs isn't that much. It may cost 50% more, but that's only a $5-10 overall difference.

But my partner and I need new clothes. His only socks without holes are the two pair I've knitting for him. I have no underwear that isn't falling apart at the seams, and his only underwear that isn't falling apart are a size too small. His jeans are fraying, mine are too large and have a hole in the butt. I have three pairs of tanks that sort of fit, but I really need more.

I just placed a sock order from Maggie's Organics, and it was more than I'd like, but, again, in socks the absolute difference in price is manageable. But we need underwear (not used!), and finding organic underwear in our sizes ain't cheap. And jeans - holy crap are organic jeans expensive, and REALLY hard to find in our sizes! And his at least need to be new so he can wear them to work (and I've never had luck finding used jeans in my size). And I need tanks, with at least a shelf but preferably nursing tanks, and those are just impossible to find organic, and I don't really want to get them used, and the Bravado bamboo tanks are just so much more (and bamboo isn't exactly a clean fiber to produce, either).

We're working with a sizable but limited budget (our tax refund), but every dollar we spend is one less dollar toward reducing our debt. And we so, so need to pay off that debt.

So what's the lesser evil? Go for organics to reduce the drain on the planet, but have it be that much longer until we're debt free and can go all organic with no worries? Or buy conventional, contributing to the destruction of our planet, but get out of the clutches of the evil (and I mean that seriously) credit corporations that much faster?

I dunno. I'm just kinda feeling depressed and defeated right now. It's hard enough just clothing shopping, but trying to do so while little demons are sitting on my shoulder alternately shouting "You're ruining the planet!" and "You're ruining your chances of ever buying a house!" is just sucky.
post #2 of 18
I was initially attracted to organic clothing because it feel so much better than conventional clothing, then I realized the impact conventional clothes has on the environment and our bodies. I admit, I probably spend a bit more money on a particular article of clothing than maybe the average person here (?). $100 for a pair of jeans sounds about right for the look and fit I want. At the same time, I don't own many clothes. I only have one pair of jeans, and a few pairs of trousers. I prefer high-quality over quantity. My closet looks empty but at least I love all that I have. Non-frumpy/fashionable organic clothing is expensive and I surf hard on the net and in stores for good deals.

I made it a goal to buy consignment/used for most of my clothes. If I buy something new, it has to be organic. Shoes are the exception. Panties and socks has to be organic. Bras dont because I haven't found organic bras that are supportive enough.

I would say get out of debt first, but buy the organic necessities you need (socks, underwear, etc)
post #3 of 18
Wow, I was curious about the clothes available because in the past, it was all yoga clothes. Still mostly yoga clothes and some amazingly small pricey jeans. American Apparel had some decent prices on their underwear that was organic- but I am not sure about the sizes.

Maybe there would be some other ways to meet the green criteria... not sure what yours is (I understand that you like the organic, but would fairtrade nonorganic work or locally made/locally purchased?). Could you buy some organic material and have a local seamstress make it for you? We have a couple of semi-local boutiques were they have a designer/seamtress/owner on site; do you know if there are any in your area?

Sorry I am not much help, but I wish I knew a reasonable priced resource. Likely, when you buy the organic you are actually paying what the product with worth (hopefully not undercutting those making the items as bad as conventional).
post #4 of 18
We don't have a problem finding clothes in second hand stores, so for the most part when we buy new we can afford organic cotton. But I would buy conventionally produced clothing with cash before I would buy organic on credit, no question.

There are lots of actions that contribute to a healthier planet. Eco consciousness is definitely important but so is socio economic awareness. Major banks and credit card companies do bad bad things, including using the interest you pay towards who knows what kind of investments. You know, third world exploitation kind of stuff. So when you talk about debt it's not just about you being able to buy a house some day.

Eliminating debt is one way to control where your money ends up in the economy and what it's impact is. It should definitely be a priority, and shouldn't beat yourself up over it There are many other -less expensive and even free!- ways to reduce your environmental footprint in the meantime.
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by melissa17s View Post
Wow, I was curious about the clothes available because in the past, it was all yoga clothes. Still mostly yoga clothes and some amazingly small pricey jeans.


http://btcelements.com/

http://www.thegreenloop.com/


http://site.fashionethic.com/

Just to name a few . There are several others that I know of. Its not just Yoga clothes (which I don’t want to wear outside of a Yoga studio - and cant wear to work anyway). They are expensive!

For reasonable priced socks, http://www.sockdreams.com has several. If you use the drop-down menu, you can filter out organic.

Arwyn
I agree with SageR about getting out of debt. I wasn’t sure if you had credit card debt, but if you do, definitely make that a priority.
post #6 of 18
The EC store sells Blue Canoe organic underthings at a discount. I've put in a couple of orders with her, and the underwear has proved to be both comfortable and longer-lasting than comparably priced conventional stuff I used to buy (VC on sale).

To me, quality is a factor as well as the social and environmental impacts of production. Cheap underwear from walmart used just as much cotton as the pricier stuff from, say, Victoria's Secret, but the VS stuff will last 5X as long.

That said, you can also get some cheap organic cotton things at WalMart nowadays. It can be a bit hit or miss, but cheap organic is better than cheap conventional.
post #7 of 18
Buy used when you can - it's the most environmental. But for essentials like underwear, look for quality that last and take care of them. If you really can afford organic clothes, then go for it.
post #8 of 18
I would buy used. Hands down if all clothing production halted right this second we would not need to make more for at least 100 years. Dead seriously. I just 2 days ago got out of the trash by the side of the road just sticking out of the garbage can top, a 2 piece womans suit, 4 long sleeve shirts, 3 pairs of shoes. And this was nice stuff!!! Banana Republic, Roxy, Steve Madden. Just tossed out.

Sure, I think organic is important. But, right now it is more important to simply use what we already have. What has already been culled from the earth. I would say the only thing to maybe buy new would be underwear and possibly socks but I would buy those used too.

I second the idea of getting someone like a WAHM to make the underwear for you.

I needed clothes after I had my baby but I wasn't going to budge from getting them used and expressed to my husband I would find the perfect stuff for me used. (He had wanted to give me $500 of his income tax return to get clothes with) On my way to grocery shop a few weekends ago I stopped at a yard sale and scored what had to be 2 garbage bags full of stuff for me. (i told her no bags so i am guessing at the amount) It is nice stuff and just my size, just what I needed. All for $30.
Oh, plus she threw in some stuff for my son. I got at least 17 items for him plus belts and socks for him too.

Whatever your belief is maybe try praying or just casually mentioning to the universe that you need some clothes that will be perfect for you. This works for me all the time. I had been wanting a sandbox for my kids and found a turtle little tykes one so seriously like new beside the road in the garbage with the turtle lid and everything.

Overall my vote is buy used.
post #9 of 18
I would like to add that if you buy used, you may need to find a good tailor. That makes all the difference in the world in terms of fit. If you can find a pair of pants that normally cost $200 that may be one size too large, buy them for $20 and spend an extra $15 to have them adjusted, it’s worth it. When I buy used, I only buy high-end or brands I know that will last. I have had used clothes for years that way. I wouldn’t buy used Old Navy for instance. It’s not worth the money.

Also, look into clothing swaps in your area (VERY cheap or free). Try Yahoo Groups and Meetup for those. Of course, there is Freecycle.
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by barose View Post
I would like to add that if you buy used, you may need to find a good tailor. That makes all the difference in the world in terms of fit. If you can find a pair of pants that normally cost $200 that may be one size too large, buy them for $20 and spend an extra $15 to have them adjusted, it’s worth it. When I buy used, I only buy high-end or brands I know that will last. I have had used clothes for years that way. I wouldn’t buy used Old Navy for instance. It’s not worth the money.

Also, look into clothing swaps in your area (VERY cheap or free). Try Yahoo Groups and Meetup for those. Of course, there is Freecycle.
YES to all of that!
My sister convinced me to try her tailor years ago, and it was so worth the $15!
In my town there are so many women my size who wear things one time and send themt o the Goodwill. My neighbor and I will actually scope out things for eachother when we go. I get brand new Gymboree and Children's Place for the kids for $3 an item, many of my favorite fitting brands for myself and DH for $5. Second hand feels better, too.
post #11 of 18
Personally, I would put getting out of debt before organic clothing.

I don't know what sizes you need and the jeans still aren't cheap (about $70), but Fair Indigo has somewhat less expensive organic jeans than I've seen elsewhere--plus they are fair trade too.

http://www.fairindigo.com/index.php/...2f009cbd2b6698
post #12 of 18
I agree that used clothing is the most environmentally friendly. If you do want to splurge a little bit, but not too much on organics, I've gotten some stuff from Sierra trading Post. They carry brands like Prana and Patagonia, some at almost half off. I also love Blue Canoe for bras.
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
Ok, I'm on the search for a tailor (I can patch the whole in the butt of my jeans, and if I get them resized I can take over my partner's jeans), we'll do organic underwear, tanks from a local store (bravado brand, but supporting a really cool local bra shop), and we'll probably just do the local big&tall for DP's jeans, since he really does need new.

The tailor idea is really great. It just never occurred to me.

As I said in my first post, obviously used is a better option even than organic, but I didn't grow up in a household that had clothing altered. My mom would even buy new pants with the plan to have them shortened, and then they'd just sit there for YEARS. (Hemming pants I can and will do, though at 5'10" I rarely need to ) So the idea of "clothes don't fit? get them altered" just isn't part of my worldview, as obvious as it seems to me now.
post #14 of 18
I actually didn't get a tailor until a few years ago when I started to lose weight (and didn't have much money to buy new clothes) so I didn't grow up altering clothes either. My mother would sew some of my clothes when I was younger, but they looked rather homemade. She was more of a beginner sewer. I sew too but I cant tailor an existing garment.

Unfortunately most pants and jeans I get have to be altered in some sort of way. My inseam is 32-33" but most pants are still too long. Then there is waist to hip ratio. A lot of pants are too big in the waist but perfect for my bubble butt so I have to get them taken in.
post #15 of 18
last year i decided that i wasn't going to support unethical clothing companies. i can't afford to go totally ethical in my food or housing, but clothing?? yeah, i can have that be the one area where i don't compromise. i've found a bunch of clothes that i can afford... click my siggy to go to my blog where i've listed them. but for socks dharma has organic cotton socks on clearance.
post #16 of 18
What about swimwear and workout clothes?

I’m able to find organic casual, yoga, dressy/work/career and even high-fashion clothes and underwear but I haven’t been able to find swimwear and workout clothes. I would hate to have to buy those new (to break my agreement) but I’m at a loss. For workout clothes, I have to buy synthetic fabrics due to the sweating and chafing/rash issue – so I guess they can’t be organic. I haven’t been able to find used swimwear (not that it would be my first choice).

Are there any alternatives?
post #17 of 18
blue canoe has that stuff. http://www.bluecanoe.com/
post #18 of 18
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blue canoe has that stuff. http://www.bluecanoe.com/
I wonder how good it is for intense workouts. Cotton makes me chaff (as it does many people). Synthetic workout clothes prevents that, but its not very healthy...
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