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post #1 of 32
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My DH and I were wondering why the 'Right to life' ers that are opposed to stem cell research aren't up in arms about the vaccines that have aborted fetal tissue in them? I'm sure some are- but I would think they'd make a louder stink about it. We've never heard anything about it. Just wondering what your thoughts are.....
post #2 of 32
Not touching that one with a 10 foot pole.
post #3 of 32
Thread Starter 
Ya, touchy subject. We were just thinking if they made a big deal about it more people would realize WHAT is in the shots. We are sad that so many people are uneducated about the ingredients.
post #4 of 32
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Originally Posted by Snowflower View Post
My DH and I were wondering why the 'Right to life' ers that are opposed to stem cell research aren't up in arms about the vaccines that have aborted fetal tissue in them? I'm sure some are- but I would think they'd make a louder stink about it. We've never heard anything about it. Just wondering what your thoughts are.....
I am Pro-Life and I do have a problem with it. As for others, I think they are just uneducated about the ingredients in vaccines.
post #5 of 32
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As for others, I think they are just uneducated about the ingredients in vaccines.

: I have talked to alot of people that are pro-life and they are stunned to find out that aborted fetal cells are in vaccines. They just plain, never knew. I think it has to do with being uneducated then just turning the other cheek.....
post #6 of 32
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Originally Posted by Snowflower View Post
My DH and I were wondering why the 'Right to life' ers that are opposed to stem cell research aren't up in arms about the vaccines that have aborted fetal tissue in them?
I AM!
post #7 of 32
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I am Pro-Life and I do have a problem with it. As for others, I think they are just uneducated about the ingredients in vaccines.
I agree. I am pro-life and hearing that aborted fetal tissue was in vaccines is what made me research them at all. I tell all my pro-life friends about it.
post #8 of 32
Most don't know. When they find out, most don't believe you're *serious* and that it's *real* that they use aborted fetus to culture the vaccine. I think for a lot it's just too much to process.

I am totally appalled by it, and as a pro-lifer, it certainly is one of the things that changed my mind in the beginning.

I think also, that part of it is that the Catholic Church came out with a statement to the effect that since they aren't STILL aborting babies for it, it's OK until a better option comes along b/c you wouldn't want to be responsible if your kid gave a pregnant woman rubella and that resulted in CRS. On the other hand, if you feel like it makes it look like you support abortion, by all means, follow your conscience... So a lot of people just get it, because the church says it's OK, and you'd have to be really careful to not get those certain vaxes.

I was *really* surprised as a Catholic, when I read that because... Dude. That's so crap. GOD decides what happens to an unborn baby. NOT my kid's vaccination status. ESP since there's no way to tell if the vax even took, whether someone was immune, whether they're carriers of the virus, NOTHING... So I think the whole line of reasoning was an attempt by someone to look like the Church can be reasonable. I also think that the person who wrote the statement for the Church was given some *really* bad information.

So... Anyhow.

Most people that I know that are pro-life DO care about it, but a lot of them aren't sure what to do about it, if anything, and the others just don't get vaxed at all for that PLUS a variety of other reasons.

Anyhow. I think it all boils down to: Most don't believe it could POSSIBLY be true.
post #9 of 32
There's a whole website about it: cogforlife dot com.

I agree that not a lot of people know, or even question where vax'es come from. If the doc says it's safe, they trust him/her
post #10 of 32
Vaccines DO NOT contain aborted fetal tissues.
Some vaccine viruses are cultured on cell lines dervied forty years ago from legal abortions. The final vaccine contains the virus but not the cells that it was cultured on.
post #11 of 32
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Originally Posted by Snowflower View Post
My DH and I were wondering why the 'Right to life' ers that are opposed to stem cell research aren't up in arms about the vaccines that have aborted fetal tissue in them? I'm sure some are- but I would think they'd make a louder stink about it. We've never heard anything about it. Just wondering what your thoughts are.....

There are no fetal cells in vaccines. Once the viruses are harvested, they are separated from the cells they were grown in and purified so that no cell culture is in the vaccine; there may be some random bits of cellular debris but no cells and certainly no tissue.
post #12 of 32
But its still the simple fact that at one time, this vaccine was cultured on aborted fetal cells.
post #13 of 32
Most people, pro-life or not, have utterly no idea that vaccines are made from aborted fetal tissue cell lines.

I personally have had TWO pediatricians (one in a Catholic practice!) who did not know this, and were stunned to find out.

Here's a good article on the history and origins of it:

http://www.cogforlife.org/thevaccinationquestion.htm
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by WillyMom View Post
Vaccines DO NOT contain aborted fetal tissues.
Some vaccine viruses are cultured on cell lines dervied forty years ago from legal abortions. The final vaccine contains the virus but not the cells that it was cultured on.
Thanks for clarifying that!

Not sure if I want to jump in, but here goes!

I'm pro-life.

Does anyone know if the aborted babies whose tissue was used were aborted for the purpose of making vaccines?

If not, than perhaps using the fetal tissue is similar to harvesting organs from someone who is brain dead for organ transplants.

Just a thought!
post #15 of 32
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Does anyone know if the aborted babies whose tissue was used were aborted for the purpose of making vaccines?
The answer is yes.

Read the above article.
Excerpt here:

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“This fetus was chosen by Dr. Sven Card, specifically for this purpose [of a vaccine culture]....Both parents are known, and unfortunately, for the story, they are married to each other, still alive and well, and living in Stockholm, presumably. The abortion was done because they felt they had too many children."
The numbers in the names of the cell lines (e.g. "WI-38") refers to the number of the abortions performed to get that cell line - i.e. "WI-38" was abortion #38 performed to get that particular cell line.
post #16 of 32
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Originally Posted by WillyMom View Post
Vaccines DO NOT contain aborted fetal tissues.
Some vaccine viruses are cultured on cell lines dervied forty years ago from legal abortions. The final vaccine contains the virus but not the cells that it was cultured on.
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Originally Posted by prettypixels View Post
There are no fetal cells in vaccines. Once the viruses are harvested, they are separated from the cells they were grown in and purified so that no cell culture is in the vaccine; there may be some random bits of cellular debris but no cells and certainly no tissue.
They still have aborted fetal DNA in them. I don't see how it matters if it's a whole cell or not.
post #17 of 32
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If not, than perhaps using the fetal tissue is similar to harvesting organs from someone who is brain dead for organ transplants.
Not the same at all. Those babies did not consent for their tissues to be used. And for reasons that I can't state w/o violating the UA, the mother can not give consent either.
post #18 of 32
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They still have aborted fetal DNA in them. I don't see how it matters if it's a whole cell or not.
Again, the viruses are purified from the cell culture. Vaccines DO NOT contain whole cells from culture. If they do not contain cells how do they contain human DNA?
post #19 of 32
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Originally Posted by WillyMom View Post
Again, the viruses are purified from the cell culture. Vaccines DO NOT contain whole cells from culture. If they do not contain cells how do they contain human DNA?
I don't know. Why don't you contact Merck and ask them.

Varivax Product Insert
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Each 0.5 mL dose contains the following:.....residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and protein;
post #20 of 32
Residual cell parts or DNA is very different from saying "Whole cells or tissues", although you did not say those exact terms as others have.
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