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post #41 of 70
I don't move the books, but I do tend to put AP books in front of them.
post #42 of 70
I would imagine that hiding books would have an adverse effect.

Customer: "I'm looking for Babywise, but can't find it in the parenting section."

Employee: "Wow, that must be a really popular book. You're the third person to ask me about it this week. I'll talk to my manager about ordering more copies."

Manager: "Hm. Inventory shows we actually have 10 copies out on the shelf. Maybe this book is so popular people are stealing it? A parenting book that's that hot?! Whoa. Gotta order another case!"
post #43 of 70
Oh, grr, not this again.

We've had this thread before. I don't understand this line of thinking at all. It's not proactive and accomplishes nothing.

Please, please, please don't do this. Get the word out in other ways, because all you're doing is harassing a bunch of minimum-wage workers. YOU go work in a bookstore for awhile before you start talking about what is difficult for them to be doing, because at least a few of you clearly have no idea.

I am really upset by some of the things that have been said here. Not to mention that it's just plain immature to go around hiding things that you don't agree with.
post #44 of 70
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I mean, a person there working an eight-hour shift is going to be doing something, right. It's not like if they aren't shelving books, they get to go hang out in the cafe with a latte and a magazine. So, for me, that wouldn't be a deterrent in misplacing Ezzo books.
Incorrect. The closing staff have to stay until it's clean. Yes, they still get paid minimum wage or slightly over it while they're doing it, but the shift starts 8.5 hours before the assumed time that clean-up will be done. If there are still books to put away at that time, everyone stays until it's done. It doesn't matter that it's midnight, and your feet are killing you. And five customers have yelled at you that day because you couldn't find the book they wanted... even though the computer says that you were supposed to have several copies, and you ran all over the store looking at all the displays, and checked the backroom, and asked the other employees if they had seen it anywhere. You can't find it, so you're the one that gets yelled at. It also doesn't matter if your kid has been kind of sick, and you just want to hurry up and get home to your family. Nor does it matter that you're on your 7th day in a row of working, because even at 8 hours a week for 5 days a week, you can still technically work 10 days in a row, because weekends are included in your possible work week. It also doesn't matter if some liberal-hating republican came in and turned around all the potentially-"liberal" books in the Current Affairs section, because he was sure they were all wrong and destroying the world-- and now you have to go through and turn them all back the right way. It doesn't matter if you find a large stack of books stuffed behind a display at the last minute, that still need to be put away. It doesn't matter if those books are covered in coffee that someone accidentally spilled, but just left there in a mess, instead of telling an employee so that it could get taken care of right away. It doesn't matter if it's a federal holiday the next day, so that there were a larger amount of people in the store right before closing, since they have the following day off. It doesn't matter if multiple people called out sick that day, and management couldn't find enough last-minute replacements to fill the schedule. It doesn't matter, because you still have to get the store picked up and clean before you can go home. Yes, finding books stashed somewhere that they clearly are not supposed to be can be a big deal. Do any of you really want to run around picking up after hundreds of slobs at 8pm, 9pm, 10pm, 11pm, and even midnight... while your family waits for you at home? Does the fact that you don't do this now make you superior enough to create this kind of work for the people that do do this? More than the effort it takes to put them back, it just hurts to know that people will intentionally (let alone mindlessly) do that, knowing that someone else has to deal with it, and clean up after them. It just hurts that people don't care what you have to do because of their actions. There will never, ever be time for employees to sit and read a magazine, I guarantee you that, 100%. That's just not the way it works. There is always plenty to do, and the people that make messes with the idea that that's what the employees are there for, are just making it a much more frantic experience. It's completely unnecessary.

Again, you just really don't know until you've been in that position. The end of the night clean-up is some of the most exhausting work. All of my bookseller friends (which are some of the smartest, nicest, most worldly people I've ever known) would just laugh and then cry and so much at what has been said here.

Just, please... do something else. Go hand out pamphlets to pregnant ladies, or pin them to community bulletin boards, or whatever. I am quite certain that that would be far, FAR more useful.
post #45 of 70
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I felt bad for the employees who have to stock the shelves
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Really? I don't have a problem with making "more work" for employees who work in these stores. As a previous poster said, (perhaps Annette Marie??), it's not like someone is staying after-hours, unpaid, to put mis-shelved books back where they belong. It's also not as if they will be trekking up a mountain in the Himalayas to place the books in their rightful positions.
It's just so incredibly rude and thoughtless. I'm just shocked at your attitude here, although I can't help but notice that you contradicted yourself somewhat after people started pointing out to you that you were being rude.

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Absolutely I have a *right* to hide the books. It isn't illegal to hide the books.
No, you don't have the right. If they knew that you were repeatedly doing this, they have the right to "trespass" you from the store, meaning that you're not allowed in. Yes, really.
post #46 of 70
I don't move them to another section of the store, but I do turn them so that the whole cover isn't facing out (just the spine), and sometimes put an AP book in the cover-out position a Babywise book occupied. I do think that seeing the entire cover of a book makes you more likely to pick it up, and I don't want the Babywise books to capture any more attention than it would otherwise.
post #47 of 70
Go bjorker!!
post #48 of 70
Ha! This thread cracks me up. When I was a book-grunt we had a chronic book-replacer-activist. Her thing was taking the "Historical Male Feminists" book out of the feminist section and replacing it in sections she thought guys were more likely to visit. Like they were going to be converted while shopping for a Volvo manual.

I would just follow her around til she was done, giving her a friendly smile that let her know I would re-shelve the book the *minute* she left the store.

We all must find our satisfaction in life somewhere.
post #49 of 70
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post #50 of 70
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Ha! This thread cracks me up. When I was a book-grunt we had a chronic book-replacer-activist. Her thing was taking the "Historical Male Feminists" book out of the feminist section and replacing it in sections she thought guys were more likely to visit. Like they were going to be converted while shopping for a Volvo manual.

I would just follow her around til she was done, giving her a friendly smile that let her know I would re-shelve the book the *minute* she left the store.

We all must find our satisfaction in life somewhere.

Indeed.
post #51 of 70
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No, you don't have the right. If they knew that you were repeatedly doing this, they have the right to "trespass" you from the store, meaning that you're not allowed in. Yes, really.


I don't know what bookstores you shop in, but for the sake of argument, I called the local Barnes & Noble in our area and asked them what they would do in a situation such as this--a chronic "GASP" book-mover, an "OHMYGOD" reshelver...what would they do? Would they prohibit the person from the store? Would they simply reshelve the books? What is the policy in such a case...

The store manager on the phone sounded a bit perplexed at my question, but then advised that so long as the person in question wasn't defacing the books or store property, then they would simply reshelve the books as they saw the need.

I made it a point to say that the person ALWAYS moves the books, every single time they come in the store, so it isn't like they just picked one up to look at it and set it down in the wrong place...they deliberately moved the books so that they wouldn't be in the correct place or seen by as many people.

Same answer...books would get reshelved. No one would be forbidden from coming back into the store.

So, I don't know where you're shopping, but apparently our stores have worse things to worry about than a dastardly book mover.
post #52 of 70
umm. wow.

I'll get a second opinion on that, but in the meantime... I'm still shocked, over here.
post #53 of 70
So doesn't that answer the question as to how effective the book hiding is?

I'm surprised that anyone would feel it their place to decide what other people should read. THAT is scary.

Don't you agree that educating someone (via the insert) would be a more respectful, effective course of action?
post #54 of 70
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Don't you agree that educating someone (via the insert) would be a more respectful, effective course of action?
I don't, actually. Can you imagine if someone went to pick up Circle Round and there was a Jack Chick tract in it telling them they were going to hell? I think that's pretty offensive, too. Or a pamphlet on how co-sleeping kills in Nighttime Parenting?

Also, this thread is getting into personal attack territory. Please stop. Thanks!
post #55 of 70
Where does all this end? Who are you to decide what another adult reads??? Can I hide the art books because of the nudity? Religious books that I disagree with? Harry Potter(the Debil's work , ya' know)? gay/Lessbian writing? What about Pro-BushPro-iraqi War titles? Do those go too? Sheesh!
post #56 of 70
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I don't, actually. Can you imagine if someone went to pick up Circle Round and there was a Jack Chick tract in it telling them they were going to hell? I think that's pretty offensive, too. Or a pamphlet on how co-sleeping kills in Nighttime Parenting?

Also, this thread is getting into personal attack territory. Please stop. Thanks!
If i picked up a book on a subject i was interested in learning more about, and found an insert or pamphlet in it with info contradictary to the subject at hand, i would probably give that info some thought. Is the info someones opinion? Why are they opposed to the subject in the book? Does it point me in the direction of some further education on the subject? (AND.. what is the subject at hand.. if its a book like circle round... or is a book on how to feed my baby?)

Over all, though.. I f i found a pamphlet i would get the message that someone doesn't agree with the matter in the book and feels i should know that. Point taken. I'll take that into consideration when i read the book.

If someone hides books, that means they don't want me to READ the
book. And that sends me a different message entirely. a darker message, imo.
post #57 of 70
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Originally Posted by BAU3 View Post
If i picked up a book on a subject i was interested in learning more about, and found an insert or pamphlet in it with info contradictary to the subject at hand, i would probably give that info some thought. Is the info someones opinion? Why are they opposed to the subject in the book? Does it point me in the direction of some further education on the subject? (AND.. what is the subject at hand.. if its a book like circle round... or is a book on how to feed my baby?)

Over all, though.. I f i found a pamphlet i would get the message that someone doesn't agree with the matter in the book and feels i should know that. Point taken. I'll take that into consideration when i read the book.

If someone hides books, that means they don't want me to READ the
book. And that sends me a different message entirely. a darker message, imo.
Sorry, no personal attacks meant..."you" is meant as a collective you not personal you....
post #58 of 70
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Sorry, no personal attacks meant..."you" is meant as a collective you not personal you....
No problem--it was a general reminder and not directed towards any one particular person. And I don't scatter books or stick pamphlets in them. I've actually had fairly good success getting local booksellers not to carry Babywise at all, which I suppose some would also call "censorship" (I really hate it when people misuse that word). I call it activism. Everyone tries to get along in their own way, I suppose.
post #59 of 70
I was at Barnes and Noble the other day and there were WAY too many to hide! Usually there's one, two, maybe three. There were about 20 this time
post #60 of 70
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No problem--it was a general reminder and not directed towards any one particular person. And I don't scatter books or stick pamphlets in them. I've actually had fairly good success getting local booksellers not to carry Babywise at all, which I suppose some would also call "censorship" (I really hate it when people misuse that word). I call it activism.
I personally have no problem with that at all. That makes a LOT more sense to me, and totally encourage that approach.
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