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Originally Posted by Erdbeer View Post
I vividly remember the IV drip being on 25 until just before my son was born, and the doc turned it up to 65. I am not a doctor and don't know what this means, but on my hospital release form it says the pitocin drip was 15 IE/500ml. ... Anyone know anything about this?
I looked up the package insert to Pitocin shortly after I had a client who I believed had been over dosed on Pitocin. She was.

Basically what the package insert says is that the Pitocin drip should be started at 0.5-2 microunits per minute, and slowly raised every 30-60 minutes until an adequate contraction pattern is achieved. The package insert further says that dosing at 6 microunits per minute mimics a "natural labor" and that levels higher than 9-10 microunits per minute are "rarely needed."

What you were seeing--the 25 and 65--is the milliliters of solution being delivered to you per hour. The "microunit per minute" dosing can be calculated based on that and your statement that your Pitocin solution was mixed at 15 IE/500ml (15 units per 500 milliters). Many OB's do raise the Pitocin immediately after the birth (running the remainder of the bag of fluid in) after pushing is complete to help prevent post partum hemmoraghe...but since only 5% of women will even have a hemmoraghe...it does seem like over-treatment to do it to ALL women.

Anyway...based on the numbers you gave, when your IV pump was reading 25, you were at a dose of 12.5 microunits per minute. Go back and read above...levels greater than 9-10 microunits per minutes are "rarely needed." Of course I've yet to have a doula client who was given Pitocin who *didn't* eventually get to 12...even when it was a CNM giving the Pitocin. And of course every one of them started having decels of the fetal heart rate at 12...including one really scary case where the nurses were instructed to go start getting the OR ready for a crash cesarean...which fortunately was avoided when the heart rate recovered after the Pitocin was turned off. Of course they turned it back on again and there were some mild decels again...2 separate episodes that led to turning off the Pit abruptly again. GGGGRRRRR.

Actually, in the case of the birth that led me to learn specifics of Pitocin dosing, the drip was started out at 4 microunits per minute, raised to 8 at 15 minutes, 12 at 30 minutes (at which point the midwife left the room, leaving the expectant dad and I alone with the mom who had finally started having contractions at 15 minutes--she'd been trying prostaglandins to no avail for nearly 24 hrs before Pitocin was started--her water had broken), 16 at 45 minutes. By 45 minutes she was absolutely out of her mind with the intensity of the contractions. That would be *before* the 16 really had time to kick in--she was reacting to the 12. I finally went and tracked down the midwife to tell her things were just too intense, and she told me "this is what labor is." I didn't want to argue with her, so just went back to my client. But a couple of minutes later the CNM came into the room, observed a few contractions, and then quietly turned the drip back down to 12. The mom went from 4 cm to complete in 1 hr 45 minutes--first time mom.

When your drip was raised just after the birth it was raised to 32.5 microunits per minute (which I've seen done post partum--even higher in one case, but the risks are much smaller at that point). I haven't read your birth story yet (I plan to!), but I believe that if you had the Pitocin for very long that you may have started to retain water (a common side effect of Pitocin), which may have caused swelling. This coupled with the extreme power of the contractions may have very well contributed to your severe tearing.

Jenn

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Okay, I just read your birth story. Yikes! The Pit was raised to 65 BEFORE you started pushing! HOLY COW! Yeah, your OB was going to make sure you birthed that baby before 10pm no matter what the consequences. Kind of similar to an aquaintance of mine who discussed episiotomy with her OB who told her "I only do them when medically necessary." "Medically necessary" became "I've got another client who needs to have a cesarean so you've got 10 minutes to push your first baby out...here, let me cut a nice episiotomy (without getting consent first of course) to help you out with that..." No wonder you tore stem to stern! As for the comment about your being a red head...its CRAP! I bought into that too..."you're a red head, so nursing will hurt..." blah, blah, blah. NOT! I tore with my first birth (2nd degree)--I was squatting and pushed my DD out in 20 minutes. But second birth I pushed my DD out in 10 minutes and had "skid marks." No stitches. 3rd birth (biggest baby) was born with his hand up next to his ear with about 5 minutes of pushing, and I had NOTHING. Same with 4th baby--no skid marks or anything. And as for nursing (just in case that was an issue for you), I finally learned before my 3rd was born that you REALLY need to watch that top lip to make sure it is flared out. My babies didn't tuck it in--they just just kept it straight--so I didn't think anything was wrong with their latch because it wasn't curled under. If I pulled it out with my pinky finger, I had no pain.

Hugs!
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Mama2Xander View Post
I used to be a L&D RN, the standard protocol for pitocin was to add 10 units (IU, I think?? sorry, can't remember for sure) of pitocin to 1000 ml of IV fluid.
That is the dilution that is reccommended on the package insert for Pitocin. Unfortunately, standard protocol varies from hospital to hospital. What I've seen in my area is 30 units in 500 ml of IV fluid, then it gets piggy backed with a bag of straight IV fluid.
post #23 of 24
Yikes, what an ordeal! I'm so sorry, that truly does sound horrific.

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Originally Posted by Erdbeer View Post

My only concern still remaining is whether it is common to tear again the same way the next time around, or to have additional complications even if I don't tear (I have heard about incontinence even if the second time was not as bad as the first.).
The tearing that was inflicted on my cervix during my C-section was nothing compared to what you endured, but it did raise some flags for my next birth. I was hyper-vigilant about taking tons of EPO and also using it to massage the scar tissue. I think it really helped, because I had no problems with it during my homebirth. My midwives and I were really worried because the scar was right over a major artery in my cervix, and I had nearly hemorraged to death after my first birth because of it. But everything was fine, thank goodness. My body does heal exceptionally well when it comes to scarring, however.
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Knitted... Wow, thanks for all the time you've taken on my story. I just decided to check back after a long time because I am now 19 weeks pregnant and trying to figure out what to do about birthing next time around.

In the meantime, I ordered my records from the hospital and it says the pitocin was turned up to 60ml/h (guess I was a bit off) about 50 minutes before my son was born, and was turned from 36ml/h to 48ml/h about 25 minutes before that. I really remember the doc turning it up from 25, although this is not reflected in my record. Then again, several things that happened during my birth (like my blood pressure dropping through the floor and me being sewn up for 2 hours, not 40 minutes) are also skipped over or inaccurate in my record.

I also spoke to my ob/gyn who advises me to birth in the hospital, simply due to the cervical tear. Since I bled so much, she says it would be unwise to risk this happening outside a hospital environment. I asked her to look through my record, and she glanced at if for about 90 seconds and said she didn't find anything out of the ordinary and couldn't see a reason for me tearing.

After that, I spoke for 2 hours with a midwife who worked for several years in a large hospital and now exclusively does home births. She said reading my record made her sick and angry, and it is evident that the doctor overdosed me on pitocin to try to get the baby out fast. She said my body didn't have adequate time to adjust to the changes that were happening and she's 100 percent sure this is the cause of my tearing. She said she's seen this quite a bit in hospital births. She seemed very confident that I should go for a home birth next time, but I am still full of doubt. Also, maybe it is unfair of me, but this midwife is quite young and can't be practicing for more than 8 or 9 years max... this somehow makes me insecure because maybe she's just overconfident? I'd feel better if I got this info from someone who's been doing this for a bit longer.

Barefootpoetry, I've also read that evening primrose oil is good for softening scar tissue. The midwife also suggested I see an osteopath to work my scar tissue for 2 or 3 sessions before I give birth.n These are things I'm definitely going to look into.
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