If this poor brave mama can sue this 'doctor' then that is a clear message that women DO matter and this behaviour will not be tolerated or at least challenged. I am not a sue-happy person at times believe it totally necessary, but as Fyrestorm says mama should try get someone to go get her files asap cos they will try and cover up. I agree with the pp who says this IS a CRIMINAL offence, just cos it was done to a woman in labour should not make it any less serious, but of course it does, cos women don't matter. Imo, because women are invisible to a lot of people in everyday life, they talk over us, at us, especially women who buck the system, because we are treated like 2nd class citizens this sort of treatment just continues unabated. At our most vulnerable( but also strongest), giving birth, it's a perfect opportunity for certain people to try and assert total control over us, this often escalates to physical violence in the birth room, often. I also believe many humans are just disgusted and fearful of the the birth process in general. I've experienced this first-hand, it is punishment. What woman would pull her own placenta out and with such force as to rip out her uterus, the spirit of a womans body imo, that incredible part of us that grows and nourishes babies? I feel there is often a malicious intent behind a lot of actions like that, people just think I'm paranoid, anything but admit what really goes down, head in the sand,this doctor must have known that there was a good chance of this occurring and yet didn't stop, even after being told to repeatedly,she continued with such force as to seriously damage this mama, that's intent and they can easily hide behind the doc is god thing every.last.time until someone sues them for good reason. I read tons of comments from people who 'think' moms should 'shut up and put up', they've got a healthy baby, they should be grateful, more silencing of women, more abuse ignored, it's collabaration. The utter violence of the action is enough to know that is not a good idea, I s'pose tho if you have absolutely no respect for women's bodies and feel like you need to make a statement about women taking back the power of their own bodies or even just think you have a god-given right to do what you want cos you are a doctor in a medical setting there is plenty unsavoury actions being carried out daily by these persons. I don't for one minute believe she could have thought she was doing the right thing, this doc was unhinged and gripped by pure misogyny imo. And that is the punishment, to make women suffer. I've experienced the wrath of the medics before my UC's. Not pleasant people a lot of them, so vindictive and sly and not at all enlightened (not all I'm sure but there is always one and that's all it takes) plus any who are reasonable are bound to the law that says women are not to be trusted especially with their own bodies and minds. Ignorance is no excuse, this is an 'educated' person who did this, I fear for this world, I fear for my dd's. Hoping very hard this mama can heal from this assault and as the pp's say this mama in no way failed, she totally was in tune with her body and really knew her stuff. I don't think I'd have been that together. Hope mama and babe are getting back together, wishing healing their way.