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post #1 of 13
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Well...not really, but it could've happened.

My Pastor's wife yesterday was telling me how her daughter is still breastfeeding (baby 4 weeks old). I was happy to hear it (Pastor's wife nursed one of her 3 childrenfor 14 months...not sure about the other two) and asked if the baby ever had to have formula. The reason I asked it b/c I knew the baby had juandice early on and in my experience that is the number one foolish reason for a woman to be told to supplement. She said, yes but not b/c of the juandice. I had a really skeptical look on my face, so she countered with "but I was right, i called the doctor...", of course, then my look became even more skeptical. She then told me that her daughter called her and said that the baby is eating every 55 minutes which she "knew" wasn't right and so she called her doctor and the doctor told her that she needed to supplement b/c she wasn't making enough milk! My heart hurt b/c I knew that soooo many women are hearing this crap and believing every word.

Luckily, another lactivist was sitting next to me so when I told her how that was bad advice and that babies at that age eat that often and it's NORMAL, the other woman confirmed it and she believed me (a little). She said it wasn't like that when she nursed. I didn't say anything to that but in my head I was thinking, they told you to feed your newborn rice cereal and fruits and veggies and you did that too! I was also thinking about how so often back then when formula first appeared that they had such terrible recommendations for bfing. I told her that it's very rare that a mother doesn't make enough milk for her baby and not to mention that with nursing it's supply and demand meaning that if she starts supplementing that she will make less milk thus compounding the problem.

It just burns me up that doctor's push formula to women who would otherwise keep doing what they're doing for a successful breastfeeding story! I became a Ph.D scientist and you think that would count for something but when I try to educate women on these things, they defer to their 'doctors' advice w/o doubting it. I really wish that I had become an MD instead b/c obviously that's the only way to get women to listen! I am saddened by the advice women are getting. Dh says that I should just learn to accept that not everyone is going to be proactive and do research when their doctors tell them something. It just breaks my heart sometimes.

anywho, the daughter is still nursing at least but I think of all the other women whose bf relationship was ruined b/c of the ignorance.
post #2 of 13
nak

I so here you. I have a friend (well really it is DH's friend from high school and his wife, but we are friends) they are pretty mainstream and do everything their Dr.s say. They do lots of things that make me sad and but anyway back to the point. Their DD was born at 36 weeks 2 days and she was 5lbs 2oz, my friend did nurse, which I was happy about and surprised, baby was also supplemented for a few days due to low blood sugar and her birth weight but not with a bottle only with finger feeding. Ok now baby is 4.5 months old and DH told me that his friend said that they had asked the Dr. about when they could give the baby cereal : because she was nursing 18 times a day and mom felt that she wasn't getting enough milk and was tired of having to nurse her all the time. The DR. told them anytime after 4 mons Why do Dr.s keep saying this???? This is old advice and so wrong

Not to mention now my friend instead of nursing which is easy and simple will have to mix up the stupid baby cereal, put baby in a highchair but on a bib and feed her the cereal, then clean up. How is that easier/less time consuming then nursing?

Oh and also not to mention that at 4 mons their baby was now 14 lbs (yeah breast milk) and her dad was saying to my DH how they were really happy how well she has grown. Now they want to mess with it. I don't get it and I feel so sad for their DD I will be lending them my current issue of Mothering which has a great article on starting solids
post #3 of 13
I don't understand why people don't get help with breastfeeding. Ever damn PG/Parenting book out there lists LLL as a resource for BFing. Look them up damnit!! Now I'll go back to my quiet corner.
post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by SashaBear View Post
I don't understand why people don't get help with breastfeeding. Ever damn PG/Parenting book out there lists LLL as a resource for BFing. Look them up damnit!! Now I'll go back to my quiet corner.
I can completely empathize with people who go to trusted and/or loved sources, rather than people who are strangers or books, for help with personal, private, emotional issues like this.

I can also completely empathize with a new mom feeling like she hasn't got the capacity to make it to an LLL meeting, even if she were willing to open her body and her baby up to strangers so soon after birth.

People are loath to seek help for things as simple as ingrown toenails, for pete's sake. And yet you're taken aback by someone who may not want to risk a whole bunch of strangers pawing over their bodies, again??

I think reactions like this might be part of the reason why some people might avoid LLL (and analogous 'expert' sources) in the first place.
post #5 of 13
ok first...what does NAK mean?!?!?!?! I have seen it everywhere and I have no idea. second I am sorry it is tough when that happens, you are happy that people are nursing and it is going well and then they do something to mess it all up.

Bobbi
post #6 of 13
NAK =Nursing at Keyboard
post #7 of 13
NAK = nursing at keyboard =)
post #8 of 13
It's sad. Even some doctors who support breastfeeding wholeheartedly still don't know enough to give their patients useful advice. Like mine. She's totally enthusiastic, yet, that I know of, has told a woman with oversupply to pump more, has told an EP-er with a baby in the 90th percentile to offer water, and has diagnosed thrush where there was none.
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by Cyann View Post
It's sad. Even some doctors who support breastfeeding wholeheartedly still don't know enough to give their patients useful advice.


I just don't get why dr's are allowed to give such bogus advice that can put babies at risk, and still be respected and make a good living, when any other profession would be fired or disciplined or lose all their clients for consistently giving false information.
post #10 of 13
The only pediatrician I personally know who's very knowledgable about breastfeeding and "extended bf" was a nursing mom herself- we were both nursing toddlers when we first met. And she's only working part time so she can spend more time with her kids.

I think that's part of the problem right there- the ones who are dedicated to BF are busy with their own families, and the ones working full time haven't done the research on BF. Actually, the REAL problem is that peds have to do their own BF research in the first place. They get like 1 class on nutrition (whole family nutrition, not pediatric) in all of med school, and the only lactation class is an elective!
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by SashaBear View Post
I don't understand why people don't get help with breastfeeding. Ever damn PG/Parenting book out there lists LLL as a resource for BFing. Look them up damnit!! Now I'll go back to my quiet corner.
Hmmm, LLL member here (now) but when my mom suggested I go to a LLL meeting or a support group run by the hospital-- I just didn't 'get it'. I didn't really comprehend how it would work, how it would help-- plus I was technically supposed to be on bed rest and completely overwhelmed, the idea of getting to one was pretty intimidating.

Even when I knew a little more, I didn't think I could really call and get any advice.... aFter all I had to pay an LC, how could LLL give advice for free?

Anyways, there are many reasons that people may not go to LLL.... but another iis simply because they are going to assume that there doctor or hospital nurses ARE givng good advice.

Jessica
post #12 of 13
I was almost that woman. The first night in the hospital the baby was nursing constantly, she nursed like 7 hours straight. I was convinced it was because she was starving. Thankfully, I had terrific nurses who set me straight.
post #13 of 13
If I hadn't read these boards and taken a Bradley class, I would have been concerned about starving babies too. Of course, my pediatrician's assistant wouldn't have helped matters either, as she insisted cluster nursing was bad and "your breasts can't support that." THank goodness I already knew better.

It's about support and good information.
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