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post #81 of 251
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Originally Posted by lilyka View Post
how do you know?
I suppose this is the great debate
This is what forms denominations.


Not any one denomination has its theology 100% right. It separates Gods children and that is something that bothers me more than the whole "debate." Id much rather embrace (or at least try to understand) all of our differences (even the ones that rub me the wrong way) and let the Holy Spirit guide me through life. This is a harder thing to do then say. In the end, the nations will walk by its light into the gates bringing their glory and honor.

Theology is merely a tool that helps ones self understand the ways of God. Which intern, helps one become disciplined. None of us have it all right And im fine by that.
post #82 of 251
One need to be careful when they rely on following the Holy Spirit. I hear a lot of stuff get blamed on the Spirit. divisions, fighting, herisies, the same spirit giving 100 people completely different ideas about the same. The Holy Spirit does not cause that sort of mess. people following their own thinking and own feelings andblaming it on the Spirit do. there ay be some spirit guiding those thoughts and feelings of what seems right to a man but unless it lines up 100% with scripture and history and the Church i would doubt that it is the Spirit of God.. . . . sorry pet peeve.
post #83 of 251
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Originally Posted by lilyka View Post
One need to be careful when they rely on following the Holy Spirit. I hear a lot of stuff get blamed on the Spirit. divisions, fighting, herisies, the same spirit giving 100 people completely different ideas about the same. The Holy Spirit does not cause that sort of mess. people following their own thinking and own feelings andblaming it on the Spirit do. there ay be some spirit guiding those thoughts and feelings of what seems right to a man but unless it lines up 100% with scripture and history and the Church i would doubt that it is the Spirit of God.. . . . sorry pet peeve.
Sorry you've experienced this. The Holy Spirit is God and I trust him. Its his way of communicating with his creation. I will always rely on him. Your right that it must not contradict with Gods law.

I can never understand division but do have faith that God is bigger then that and will use it in what ever way serves his purpose.

When quoting your question, I wasn't aiming my comment directly at you. Sorry if you understood it that way.
post #84 of 251
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Originally Posted by ThomasL View Post
I strongly feel that the rules were manmade. God does not care whether or not you are baptised or whether or not someone is gay.
May I ask why you believe we are here? If God cares about us so little that He doesn't care who we are or what we do than why are we here?

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I think we need to be careful to remember that we are made in Gods image and not the other way around.
post #85 of 251
Yes, I am made in God's image--lesbian, feminist, reincarnation-believing, cat-loving, the whole bit.
post #86 of 251
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Yes, I am made in God's image--lesbian, feminist, reincarnation-believing, cat-loving, the whole bit.
Do you think that everything about us is "God's image?" Do you think that's what that verse means?

Like a pedophile could say their pedophilia is part of the image of God? (I am NOT comparing anything from your list to pedophilia - PLEASE don't take it that way). Your post just sparked this question in my mind.
post #87 of 251
No, Casey, I don't think that. I just get really tired of people tossing that around as though it somehow supports what THEY are doing, being as righteous and holy as they are, which is NOT AT ALL like those OTHER people.

So, my tongue was FIRMLY in cheek, there. Sorry that was vague.
post #88 of 251
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Do you think that everything about us is "God's image?" Do you think that's what that verse means?

Like a pedophile could say their pedophilia is part of the image of God? (I am NOT comparing anything from your list to pedophilia - PLEASE don't take it that way). Your post just sparked this question in my mind.
Mine as well. I was thinking the same thing. Where does "God's image" end and we and the world begin?
post #89 of 251
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Originally Posted by frog View Post
No, Casey, I don't think that. I just get really tired of people tossing that around as though it somehow supports what THEY are doing, being as righteous and holy as they are, which is NOT AT ALL like those OTHER people.

So, my tongue was FIRMLY in cheek, there. Sorry that was vague.
But no one is saying that. Everyone's got their something. I am faaaaaaaar from a "good" anything. No one is perfect. Some may like to think they are but that's just not true. The point of life is to work at it.
post #90 of 251
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Do you think that everything about us is "God's image?"
Sorry for answering your question frog but I wanted to jump in and answer.

I don't feel that everything about us is in Gods image but strongly feel he takes us as we are. We don't have to attain some special characteristics or do righteous deeds in order to "meet" him. He meets us, frail and broken. This is whats so amazing about being a follower of Christ. The understanding that it doesn't matter where we are at, he will always meet us. He doesn't even ask us to meet him halfway, just to have open arms.
post #91 of 251
We're all made in God's image, but that doesn't mean that everything we do is pleasing to God.

I agree with lilyka regarding the Holy Spirit. People have said the Spirit led them to stone their children to death, or to commit adultery, etc. That doesn't make it true. That's why we have Scripture and Church to help guide us and help us to know when what we're feeling is the Spirit and when it's our own selfish voice or something more sinister. I'm not saying you have to run to a priest every time you think you've felt the Spirit move you, but if you're feeling drawn to something explicitly forbidden by Scripture or the Church, it's a sign imo that it's NOT the Spirit.
post #92 of 251
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But no one is saying that. Everyone's got their something. I am faaaaaaaar from a "good" anything. No one is perfect. Some may like to think they are but that's just not true. The point of life is to work at it.
Emphasis mine. I respectfully disagree with you that "no one is saying that." But that's okay--I'm fine with being in the minority. I'm comfy here.
post #93 of 251
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Originally Posted by magstphil View Post
But no one is saying that. Everyone's got their something. I am faaaaaaaar from a "good" anything. No one is perfect. Some may like to think they are but that's just not true. The point of life is to work at it.

Exactly.
post #94 of 251
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Emphasis mine. I respectfully disagree with you that "no one is saying that." But that's okay--I'm fine with being in the minority. I'm comfy here.
Hey, as long are your comfy!
post #95 of 251
You know I think in the discussion of "sin" it goes all over the place. Not about what exactly sin is but accepting sin seems to indicate a superiority to some. Well, yeah, some people are big UAVs who think their poo don't stink but for the mot part those who recognize sin fully recognize they are knee-chest-shoulder-head-house deep in it themselves.
post #96 of 251
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Emphasis mine. I respectfully disagree with you that "no one is saying that." But that's okay--I'm fine with being in the minority. I'm comfy here.
Well, if you want to play that game, aren't you doing the same thing?
post #97 of 251
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Originally Posted by beansricerevolt View Post

I don't feel that everything about us is in Gods image but strongly feel he takes us as we are. We don't have to attain some special characteristics or do righteous deeds in order to "meet" him. He meets us, frail and broken. This is whats so amazing about being a follower of Christ. The understanding that it doesn't matter where we are at, he will always meet us. He doesn't even ask us to meet him halfway, just to have open arms.

Of course Christ meets us as we are. I don't think anyone is saying He doesn't.

I guess we just disagree on whether or not He wants us to stay frail and broken.
post #98 of 251
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Originally Posted by mtiger View Post
I really think you took my post a little too personally. I'm not judging anyone else's beliefs, nor am I painting anyone's thoughts as horrible. I happen to think differently than some of you about some things, and that's okay. My point is, none of us can truly KNOW how God will judge us.

I'm sorry if my post offended you.
When we're talking about differences in belief regarding sin and you make statements like "I don't think God hates anyone" it's kind of hard to not take that as being directed at the people who don't agree with you. I'm not taking it personally, though.
post #99 of 251
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Originally Posted by CherryBomb View Post

I agree with lilyka regarding the Holy Spirit. People have said the Spirit led them to stone their children to death, or to commit adultery, etc. That doesn't make it true. That's why we have Scripture and Church to help guide us and help us to know when what we're feeling is the Spirit and when it's our own selfish voice or something more sinister. I'm not saying you have to run to a priest every time you think you've felt the Spirit move you, but if you're feeling drawn to something explicitly forbidden by Scripture or the Church, it's a sign imo that it's NOT the Spirit.
Im sorry your experiences are the same as Lilyka.

Discerning these things can be sadden and hurtful to our souls but I have great trust in our creator. Throughout the day, when I specifically practice being in the presence of God (if only I could do it all day), the Holy Spirit is the one there. God gave us the Holy Spirit. It is a gift. It is him.

Im curious, do you and Lilyka think I don't belong to a church or read scripture?
post #100 of 251
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Originally Posted by CherryBomb View Post

I guess we just disagree on whether or not He wants us to stay frail and broken.
And thats ok. I totally don't think his intentions is for us to stay frail and broken. I hope not anyway. but just think that the 'clean" us won't happen till Christ comes back. I believe we are all in exile right now and have been since the fall of man.

Not to venture off topic to much but I'd love to hear what your take is.
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