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post #1 of 9
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Sunday, October 14th, 2007, something terrible and wonderful happened this day.

The terrible thing I witnessed, I will not speak of. But, of what's wonderful: I vowed not to use physical violence to "discipline" my children anymore. We had used hand slapping, and it was only "effective" temporarily--and only at the BEGINNING of starting to use that "method." It was too easy to "lose it" and become my mother and hit him harder and too much. It was increasingly less effective after each "use" (he began to think it was funny and a game). It didn't teach him anything except to be afraid (of us). It didn't teach him self-discipline. It didn't teach him to do or not do something.

When I stopped hand slapping, understandably, there was a revolt. I learned to be more patient and understanding. It is a LOT more work to be a gentle discipliner/guide of life. It's a lot harder to pay attention to the fact my kids are getting tired or hungry and meet those needs BEFORE things get out of hand instead of AFTER things have gotten out of hand--it was easier to just think he was being "naughty" and punish him for "bad behavior" (which was essentially punishing for being tired or hungry). It takes much more energy and creativity to come up with ways to redirect, to retrain myself of how to speak and interact (this behavior was NOT modeled for me at all--I lived with the exact opposite interaction). It takes WAY more brain cells to read a book about understanding my kids.

My husband didn't/doesn't hold the same belief system as I did/do when it comes to discipline. That has caused extreme friction--it still does. But, you'd be surprised how quickly he stopped slapping too--slapping wasn't effective...but, by modeling what was a better interaction over-and-over again--and seeing that "my" way had RESULTS...well, he has started using "my " methods too.

Now, I'm not perfect. I have had a couple of incidents (tapped his leg for kicking me, or squeezed his leg for kicking me, etc.) that I'm not proud of how I've handled myself--taking advantage of my physical size and strength over him. I have failed--but I've forgiven myself, asked for forgiveness, learned, and moved on. I still yell at times--mostly in "danger" situations, but sometimes when I'm having difficulty controlling myself with my toddler being a toddler.

That's what discipline is all about, really. Controlling OURSELVES in trying situations...not trying to CONTROL our children in trying situations. Disciplining in a way that is truly teaching, not controlling. Giving our children the life skills they need to be compassionate, empathetic, independent individuals while keeping them safe. Setting the example for how to live through my life.

It's been a transforming few months. I've learned a lot--and I'm still learning tons (I'm still trying to wrap my head around the "forced apologies" thread I started awhile ago). I'm amazed how gentle discipline has not only changed my children, but it's changed me and my husband. We've got a long way to go...but a huge step for me was taken 10/14/2007, the day I vowed not to hit again.

Were you raised gently?
I was not--I had the exact opposite.

Have you always raised your kids gently?
I have not--but I plan to from 10/14/07 on--I'm still learning, so have grace with me.

What has helped you to be more gentle?
Not wanting my kids to have my childhood. This board. Several books (Raising your spirited child, Loving your child is not enough, talk so kids will listen, etc.).

What do you still need to perfect in being gentle?
My tongue. What I say and how I say it needs major work. It's amazing how much practice it takes to move from commanding/punishing/demeaning language to cooperating/productive/life-giving language--especially when it wasn't modeled for me--and especially since I'm "doing it alone."

So, my fellow mdc mamas, my inspiration, tell me:
Were you raised gently?
Have you always raised your kids gently?
What has helped you to be more gentle?
What do you still need to perfect in being gentle?
post #2 of 9
What a nice post. I'm very happy for you and your children. Good for you.


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Originally Posted by mrsfatty View Post
That's what discipline is all about, really. Controlling OURSELVES in trying situations...not trying to CONTROL our children in trying situations. Disciplining in a way that is truly teaching, not controlling. Giving our children the life skills they need to be compassionate, empathetic, independent individuals while keeping them safe. Setting the example for how to live through my life.
Very, very true.

Were you raised gently?
No. My mom started out spanking, but did stop when we were still young (but old enough to remember being spanked). There was verbal and emotional abuse. To my parents' credit, though, they did really try--I see that now, as a parent myself who struggles with overcoming patterns I learned in childhood. My mom took parenting classes, and had both [iParent Effectiveness Training[/i] and How to Talk So Kids Will Listen... on her bookshelf. Given her upbringing, she did an amazing job of doing her part to break the cycle of abuse.

Have you always raised your kids gently?
I have always tried to raise my kids gently. I've had to learn a lot, and am still a work in progress.

What has helped you to be more gentle?
Reading a lot, this board, getting support, asking for help, taking care of myself, being very honest with myself about myself, keeping an open mind, being gentle with myself, learning to be mindful. Learning to see and understand my children differently, learning to see my role as parent differently.

What do you still need to perfect in being gentle?
I still work on yelling, which is something I do much less often than I used to but still fall into sometimes. I continue to need to work at being mindful and present, and at staying calm enough in the face of my biggest triggers (and remembering to let go of my agenda/assumptions enough) to see where my kids are coming and to respond compassionately and effectively.
post #3 of 9
I'm pregnant and your post made me cry (in a good way)

Were you raised gently?
Yes and no... it was a bad combination of one overly permissive parent and one overly "conventional" parent.
Have you always raised your kids gently?
No, and I feel so shameful saying that with my eighteen month old in my lap, sleeping peacefully. I just replay my old tapes, added onto pregnancy hormones.
What has helped you to be more gentle?
Holding myself accountable... I still need more help. Reading and reading about what I NEED to be doing.
What do you still need to perfect in being gentle?
Patience, patience, patience. And how to redirect myself

Thank you.
post #4 of 9
Good for you! And your kids!

Were you raised gently? No. I was spanked by my father with a paddle till I was around 10 or so.

Have you always raised your kids gently? Yes. Since before my son was born I knew I wanted to use gentle parenting/discipline. It was easy to achieve till recently when the tough toddler antics kicked in. I have not been perfect and I see my dads temper in myself sometimes but I work hard on trying to control it.

What has helped you to be more gentle? The one book that helped me is Raising our Children Raising Ourselves. There was a serious problem with the way that I was raised and I needed that book to help me through issues that were spilling over into my own parenting. I should reread it.

What do you still need to perfect in being gentle? Yelling and Swearing. DS is getting to the point where he can really understand everything I say and I don't want him to pick up foul language. When I get exhausted and overwhelmed I have a temper tantrum myself and its a very bad example.
post #5 of 9
Were you raised gently?
No, I was spanked, chased around the house with a hockey stick, yelled at, shamed. I don't feel bad about it though, my parents did what they could, but I can tell that our relationship isn't as close as it could have been.

Have you always raised your kids gently?
I don't know how to answer this. Have I hit before? Yes, unfortunately, once or twice. I felt disgusted with myself after it happened. I think I have always tried to raise my kids gently and I have had success and failures.

What has helped you to be more gentle?

Hearing from people how well behaved and polite my kids are. Seeing them being empathetic. Noticing that they are becoming smart, independent, and loving people.

What do you still need to perfect in being gentle?
I yell too much, plain and simple.
post #6 of 9
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Thanks for your willingness to answer my questions ladies--I appreciate it! :
post #7 of 9
Were you raised gently? well no, I remember being hit a few times... but not beat and not regularly. There was a lot of guilt and my dad was a yeller.

Have you always raised your kids gently?no. I had a rough spell when my kids were 1 and 3 and it was very tough...... I did a lot of reading and posting here and blindly fumbled my way out, though. I cant remember the last time I hit one of my kids. I was more rough than a hitter, but it was still wrong, and I did hit (smack) them a few times.

What has helped you to be more gentle? reading. knowing it is wrong, therapy, coming here.

What do you still need to perfect in being gentle? my voice, yelling. I yell almost..... rarely now unless they are across the yard or something... the yelling is getting better and I have been working on my expectations too.

I yell when I get frusterated, when Im repeating myself, etc...
post #8 of 9
Were you raised gently?
No- my parents loved us- but spanked and shamed us into submission. It really only worked until we moved out and then we were wild. DH was raised the exact same way.
OP-
It is an amazing thing when beautiful things come from terrible things. Good for you and your family!

Have you always raised your kids gently?
I have always tried- it is hard though. It is hard when you know what you should do and there are people telling you you need to spank and shame. It makes me cry.

What has helped you to be more gentle?
MDC. This has been a place for me to learn more about myself through the experiences of others. Thank goodness for MDC or I wouldn't be as good as a mama as I am. But oh how far I am from perfection.

What do you still need to perfect in being gentle?
When I get scared I yell. Like when the stove is hot and I am cooking supper and there are 17 things going on and DD wants to touch the pans. Then I yell because I can't get there fast enough. Here is where I should have planned ahead better. But I am working on getting better!
post #9 of 9
Were you raised gently?
Kinda. My mom was pretty gentle. She thought spanking was ok for safety issues. I'd say both my brother and I were spanked by her maybe twice each. But she was creative, loving, compassionate, understood (and still does) that kids are kids.
We spent a lot of time with my grandparents (mom worked full time, dad was busy doing things that weren't child friendly). They were very much on the permissive side. My grandma did spank me once (or maybe just threatened to). I don't blame her (not that it's right to hit, but I remember clearly what I did, and I don't hold it against her at all). They were both playful, fun, loving, etc.
My dad didn't work consistently, and would stay at home with us sometimes. He did the "Stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about" and put us in the corner, often from what I remember. I don't remember if he spanked or not, but when I asked him he said "I've never hit my kids....but spanking isn't hitting."

Have you always raised your kids gently?
I've always tried. Definitely not always succeeded! I read Sears' The Baby Book before ds was born, and read some gd books before he was 6 mos old. I loved it, and I've been devoted to it since. But yeah, I've spanked a couple times, definitely yelled, shamed, etc. I'm getting better though.
Dp has always been gentle with ds. He's never punished and never yelled (he did use a louder voice once, not yelling, but maybe firm, and ds broke down in tears. If I'd used that voice? Ds would have said "oh, ok." lol) And he spends plenty of time with ds.

What has helped you to be more gentle?
My dp for one. He's just about the best, most gentle dad ever.
And I've read a ton of GD books. That helps.
Oh, and here- I think "what if I had to post this situation on mothering? How good would I look?"

What do you still need to perfect in being gentle?
sigh. I need to be more patient and understanding. I need to be better at seeing ds as a PERSON. I speak to him sometimes in ways that I would NEVER speak to another person.
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