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post #1 of 20
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I am at the end of my rope with DD. I just don't know what to do anymore. She is constantly crying over everything, having tantrums, doesn't listen, hits us. Where has my sweet little girl gone? She was a complete angel until 2.5, then at Christmas time (a little over 3), she became very difficult and it's been a nightmare ever since. No changes at home have happened (except that I am a full-time student at night and very stressed out between her and school, but this has been going on for 2 years, so nothing new here). She's been out of diapers since age 2 (her choice, very easy) and is still nursing, although we started weaning last summer (my choice) and are down to once a day at nap time, but the nap has gone away entirely the past two weeks.

Our biggest issue right now is going to the bathroom. A month ago she started holding it. At that time, when she would finally go, after she wipes and pulls her pants up, she will have a complete melt down that she didn't wipe well enough, and no amount of wiping will do. It seems to me that she was having retention and then dribbling related to holding it for so long (going only about twice a day, sometimes 3 if I can get her to drink more). She's smart; she figured out that she could put a wad of TP in her pants and that helped for a while, but not anymore. She will always go before a bath, because for some reason she doesn't have the problem if she soaks in the tub after. So she's been asking to take a bath every time she goes, which we can't do. Yesterday I thought I found a solution with a peri bottle and a towel, but no luck, it's just a fun toy and she still is crying and doesn't want to go, or sits on the toilet for an hour playing with it and then still cries and melts down after.

She also has been itching herself raw. I am careful to make sure her skin is well-moisturized (but lately she won't let me put lotion on...). We keep telling her to please not do that, and have suggested rubbing gently, a cold pack, deep breaths, a worry stone, etc, and she is intent on scratching herself to bleeding. I'm almost a nurse, and the other day it occurred to me that she could be itching from a medical problem, so I think I will call the pedi and see if they want to rule anything medical out related to the itching or a UTI (which she probably has anyway to some degree from the constant bladder stasis).

She also has been very defiant. She doesn't listen to anything I say. Eating, going to bed, everything is a huge problem. I can't even get out of the house, it's so embarrassing and becoming a real problem. I want to go get some garden supplies so we can plant seeds together and she's refusing to get dressed. I just feel so upset. Everyday I feel like I've failed at parenting because 1) she's so upset so often and nothing I do works and 2) I'm not enjoying parenting at all anymore.

She's like Jekyl and Hyde. Right now she's happily playing with her dolls, naked. But if I ask her to do something or she has to go to the bathroom, all hell breaks loose. Or perhaps her toast will be too crunchy (exactly the same as always) or her kiwi too dark (honestly happened yesterday, it was very ripe and delicious and darker green than normal, hours later she finally tried it, which is usually not the case when she is against something). I've been reading 'The Highly Sensitive Child' but I'm not sure that's it. She was an absolute angel baby and toddler.

Thanks for reading, I just needed to get it off my chest! Please tell me to hang in there and that it gets better. I just can't take the crying anymore, I am going insane. My heart goes out to those who've had colicky babies.
post #2 of 20
I just wanted to let you know that from 3 to 3.5 was the worst age for me (Although 5 is coming in close) I am dreading my son turning 3.
anyway...I can't give any specific advice I really just think it ends with age.

I wish you tons of patience and lots of places to vent and get support.
post #3 of 20
My goodness... sounds just like DSD. DSD will be turning 4 in July.

But from November, til about March was HELL! She was totally potty trained since last March, but then in November she decided she couldn't go #2 at mine and Daddy's house. She was going in her pants every time we had her.

FINALLY! Last month she started using the toilet again. She will still put up a fuss sometimes, but it has gotten lots better.

She can also be extremly defiant. The one night she had the choice between 4 different PJ's.. that is what we had clean at the moment. She FREAKED because she didn't want any of them.

She seems to be doing better. It's still a lot of hit or miss with her moods, but I'm hoping she is growing out of it some.

I'm sorry I don't have much advice... but at least you are not alone. From friends and reading here.. it seems to be the age. Keep your strength Mama!
post #4 of 20
Seriously, I started drinking when my son was three. I don't particularly like the taste of alcohol, but I needed to find SOMETHING, so I found my good friend Bailey's

My son is five now, and I love it!!! Four was getting a little better, but five has been pretty great So there is hope!!!
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thank you, thank you!!! Can always count on MDC mamas to help us out, can't we?

hipumpkins - I keep trying to tell myself not to let a 3 year old get to me, but I just can't help it! I need so much more patience than I have. I thought I was pretty patient, but I'm definitely not as patient as I thought!

Jenifer - wow they sound so similar. We struggle so much with too many choices vs no choices, nothing works!!

fyoosh - I can see why you did that!! It is really overwhelming. So I will hope for 4 and look forward to 5! She may go to preschool part time in Sept, I'm hoping that will help.
post #6 of 20
Yes, it is a challenge. DSD is in preschool now, has been since 3 years old. That was another issue... since it is a school vs daycare, they told us and DSD's Mom that the behavior, especially using the toilet needed to fix itself really soon or she wouldn't be able to go there anymore. She was hitting teachers and other children when she didn't get her way.

All of the school's reports have been good for months now, so that is a good thing. She had a meltdown last week because I picked her up and not Mommy, even though this is nothing new... I pick her up every Tuesday and Thursday, and have for about 5 months.

She is just very opinionated, as her Grammy says. lol


I have my days where I can't deal with it either. I hate to say it... but on those days I tend to distance myself a little and let DP deal with it more, or we try to get her to play by herself or something so we can get some peace of mind.

The age is hard. They have figured out they can do so much on their own, and they want to do it all on their own, but they don't have enough thought process to really get through it all, or they end up becoming overwhelmed or something...

But yes, at least we have others to help reassure us!
post #7 of 20
It is a tough age. First, for the itching and holding I agree that you should take her in and have her doc give her a check up. Have you changed soaps lately, bubble bath, etc.

As for her behavior - my son just turned 4. I've found that sometimes when he has too many choices he melts down. Also, whenever he is going through some kind of a growth spurt (mental or physical) he is much more emotional.

I've tried and keep trying new AP approaches and usually find one that works. A great book I found recently is Discipline for Life: Getting it Right with Children by Madelyn Swift. It's given me some other good ideas to try.

Best wishes and remember, this too shall pass.
post #8 of 20
We are in the throes of the Throttling Threes here too. The Terrible Twos are a CAKEWALK compared to this! Every mom I know IRL says that 3.5 to 4 is the worst age. I really can't wait for it to be over, I've already lost every shred of sanity I ever had and now I need to grow them back.

mama, I know it doesn't help to hear "it's just a phase" (because it doesn't help me) but know that it really, truly won't last forever. Well, I'm not saying the bad behavior will never come back, but it will be different for different ages. At least as kids get older you can reason with them - there's no reasoning with a 3 year old!
post #9 of 20
I'm right there with you.

DD is such a sweet kid (deep down) but 3 is an absolutely miserable year.

Check out the book 'Your 3 Year Old: Friend or Enemy'. It's part of a great series of books that just tells you about where most kids are developmentally at one, two, three, etc. I think the series goes up to 12. It really helped me when DD started her 3rd year. At least I know that it's normal and will probably end.: SOON I hope.

DD's latest 3 year old innovation? She's started pooping in interesting (to her) areas. Today, it was the paper recycling bin. Better than the decorative box of two weeks ago, but still, I would prefer the potty. She's been completely potty-trained for a year and a half! Why this!
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 
Jenifer - glad school has been going better for her.

Cheshire - I've tried fewer choices, but it seems to be worse. Thanks for the soap idea, I hadn't thought of that. We're using Aubrey Organics shampoo and a tiny bit of Dr Bronner's soap for her bottom and feet. I think the itching really is dry skin, it was a dry winter and it's finally raining here, and she hasn't been letting me lotion her up lately. That book looks awesome, I wish my library had it. Is it worth buying then?

Barefoot - Yes, our 2s were wonderful, no terrible whatsoever. I think the reasoning is why it's so hard; they can understand so much at this age, and are good at reasoning with us when they want something, why won't they listen to our reason?

Roostery - I have heard of those books, and a year ago I was getting strength because I had heard of 'your wonderful 4 year-old'. Somehow I missed the title of 3. Makes a lot of sense now! I hope the pooping issue resolves soon. That's no fun.

Thank you all for your encouragement. I really needed it this week! Today is a better day. She spent an hour on the toilet, but at least there was no crying, which is huge!! Good thing we don't have to go anywhere... I miss when I was the boss, we went where I wanted when I wanted, I chose her outfits and was 'allowed' to brush and do her hair. But now I'm happy if she's not naked, and I think we need to get a short haircut. Now let's hope that I can approach tooth brushing in just the right way...
post #11 of 20
Mama!!!!! Lots and lots of

My DS is almost 3.5 and this has been the most horrid time!! Sometimes I just want to rip my hair out. I have been told it gets better but I don't know when. I yell alot but I'm at my wit's end most of the time. Let's hope the time passes quickly!!!
post #12 of 20
It's a tough age, but the two things I have found that are guaranteed to prod DD into defiance and crankiness are any kind of physical ills (they don't yet make the connection - hey mom, i feel lousy, so I'm just going to take it easy, and I might be a bit cranky) and me getting stressed out. Of course the latter is a vicious cycle, and really difficult to manage when your LO is giving you a run for your money to begin with.

Is there anything at all you can do to get a break and decompress - go out with friends? It can only help, even if it's not a cure. My DD, who turned 3 in Jan went through a really tough period for several months, it's improving a bit now. It helped when I dealt with some of the major stressors in my life. And yes, a glass of wine is REALLY nice at the end of a tough day.

This too shall pass
post #13 of 20
Thread Starter 
Busybee - I see you are a student, too! It's really hard never having any 'me' time ever (every free second is spent studying), and DH works a lot so makes it even harder.

Cheshire - I ordered that book!
post #14 of 20
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Good thing we don't have to go anywhere... I miss when I was the boss, we went where I wanted when I wanted, I chose her outfits and was 'allowed' to brush and do her hair. But now I'm happy if she's not naked, and I think we need to get a short haircut. Now let's hope that I can approach tooth brushing in just the right way...
I hear you. I miss being the boss too! It didn't even feel like being bossy, because she was such an agreeable girl

FWIW, my 3.5 year old is much easier to be around than she was around her third birthday. I enjoy her and we have nice days, but I don't think she's ever going to go back to being so agreeable. That's got to part of the job of growing up though--she has her opinions and inclinations now and that's a good thing.

I imagine all kids go through stages and different times, but it always helps me to remember that it will end, or at least change.

I agree with pp who said you should try to find yourself a break when you can!
post #15 of 20
Boy, can I relate! It seems like my DD was opinionated and disagreeable for her entire third year! (She's now 4.5). For a long period of time I did my best not to ask her to do anything because inevitably it was a "NO!" or a "I want it THIS way!". Also we had our DS when she was 3.5 and that just added to the madness. I, too, worried about my parenting and her developing personality.
However, now she's back to her sweet, agreeable self. I can ask her to pick up toys, etc. again and she just smiles and does it! (Most of the time... lol)
I have to agree w/ the PP - I'm not looking forward to the trials of 3 w/ my DS!
Hang in there!
post #16 of 20
I hope you like the book. She has so many great suggestions (and explanations) that I keep referring back to it every few months just to refresh myself on tips I might have forgotten.

And, I agree. Two is a cakewalk comprared to three. We're just starting into four so we'll see how this year goes. But, I do remind myself that when he is being difficult he isn't "being difficult" he is just being himself.

I love this Bill Cosby quote - it's my new motto:
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No matter how calmly you try to referee, parenting will eventually produce bizarre behavior, and I'm not talking about the kids. Their behavior is always normal.
post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 
We had a few very rough days. We had plans with friends on Friday night, DD refused to put clothes on or come, so I went out with the wife and DH stayed home with DD and the husband (natural consequence? DD did NOT want me to go, I wanted her to know that she can't dictate everything we do. This is hard for me, that's the first time I've done something like that). Saturday morning we begged and pleaded for her to put clothes on so we could go to the opening of a farmer's market, no luck after 2 hours. Then on Saturday afternoon we had a birthday party for the father of one of her best friends and she refused to go!! I couldn't believe it. So again, I went by myself. This time she didn't seem to care. She said, 'Of course I want cake and ice cream, but I don't want to go.'

I am working harder to control my emotions and not let a 3 year-old get me so worked up!! She is wearing dresses or nightgowns again but no underwear (a huge improvement, it's been cold here!). But we can't go anywhere, she refuses to go anywhere or put underwear on. I told her she really needed to wear underwear because we needed to go out and get groceries this morning. I gave her plenty of time to think about it, then I sat in the car (right in front of the door, I could see her) and waited for her. Well, we never made it to the store. Is it unreasonable to require her to wear underwear (I feel weird about strangers seeing her private parts and I don't want her sitting naked in shopping carts, although I do have a cart cover...)? I feel like this is a limit for me, that I don't want to allow her in the car without underwear (or pants, short, etc covering her private parts). What to do?? Although I think she would be refusing to go even if I said she didn't have to put underwear on. We really need to go to the store! And later this afternoon she will have to go to her grandparents' while DH is working and I'm at school.... DH will physically force clothes on her which I don't want and doesn't seem to work anyway, which is another issue, we are both so stressed that it's hard to discuss our parenting rationally. AHHHH!! Help!!!

On a positive note, there has been less crying and more pottying. I've tried to enter her play world where I'm the teacher and the 'kids' have to line up to use the bathroom. She doesn't go to school but pretends to, and she really likes this, many times DD gets to go first because she has to go badly.
post #18 of 20
Hey Mama,

Just wanted to give support and . Sounds like you're making some headway. Everytime I see a "ACK! 3.5 year old thread" I have to respond. 3.5 was an incredible tender age for my DS. Lots of ups and downs and a lot of fears set in around this age which made things very challenging. Big changes, transitions and lots of adapting needed (mostly by me!).

OTOH, in retrospect, this was the last age at which DS went through a strong "need to nurse" cycle... and I can't help but remember it as bittersweet.

On entering her "play world." It's an amazing way of connecting with our kids and helping them through hard times. A variation of the theme you described can also be wonderfully healing... putting her in the "teacher" role, your basic role reversal that is. DS loves all kinds of role reversal, anything that puts him in charge for awhile. Very helpful in helping him manage his own actions and very healing for us both.

The best to you!

Em
post #19 of 20
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I'm right there with you.



Check out the book 'Your 3 Year Old: Friend or Enemy'. It's part of a great series of books that just tells you about where most kids are developmentally at one, two, three, etc.

yes yes yes! I highly recommend this series. I've managed to collect them all through paperback swap. They are fairly short and a quick read. They don't really tell you what to do, so much as make you feel like you're not the worst parent on the face of the earth who is failing your child every step of the way. lol. Really though, it's an older series and I'm sure there is new information out, but I don't remember seeing anything that just seemed really off as far as development goes.

One of the things she talks about is her theory of periods of "equilibruim" and "disequilibruim". She writes that for about a 4-6 month period it's common to have a wonderful "honeymoon phase" in each year, and then WHAM they go into disequilibrium and you're left there to wonder what happened to the sweet and complicant child you knew last month. I could just really relate. And it seems from other mamas and in some post I see here that they can relate too.

It was such a burden that was lifted when I read her series and thought "it's not me messing up, it's just a part of his development." I know that sounds so simplistic. I'm a pretty smart gal if I don't say so myself, and I could guess that what was going on at 3.5 was probably normal but to see it in writing was just such a relief.
post #20 of 20
More support from a mom who has survived the 3's! I remember actually thinking a little after my dd's 4th birthday that life seemed to have calmed down. There were far fewer tantrums. She started to understand the give and take of "if you help me (as in going on an errand) then we can do something you want to do". We were able to go out and have fun as a family... without me constantly trying my best to keep dd in a good mood so there wouldn't be a scene, or fighting over getting out the door, etc... Yes, 4 was much easier. I suspect 5 would have been good too except she regressed a bit with the birth of her brother, but we are starting to come out on the other side of that now too. Hang in there!
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