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post #1 of 17
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I had an interesting conversation this weekend, and I'm wondering how other people would respond.

First off, I'm very close to my family. My parents live in an in-law type thing on the first floor, and we live on the second floor. They absolutely adore my children and love watching them, playing with them, etc. Very hands on.

When my boys were born, both times my parents volunteered to help with childcare (as in, watching the newborn while we slept, taking our older child out, etc) but never did much in the way of more useful household help. When I was in labor with my second, my mom told my husband that they would clean up the kitchen and make it spotless, and never did.

So, this time around, I told my mom that I really don't see needing her help with the children at all.. my boys play independently, plus we have a huge backyard, and she won't be able to feed the baby or anything, obviously. I told her that what I'd *really* appreciate would be help with dishes, meals, laundry, or vaccuuming. She wants to take off the second week after the baby is born (my husband will be off the first week). She said, "Oh, no, I'm not doing any of *that*! I'll take the boys out, or hold the baby for you."

Anyway. Here's the interesting part. Her mother and her sister came to visit this weekend, and we got to talking about that. My mother said, "Well, *I* didn't get any help like that after I had my kids!" and when I asked if she would have liked it, she said definitely. So then my grandmother said, "Remember when I fell off the ladder and broke my shoulder and a bunch of teeth? I came home from the hospital, hoping my mother would bring me a nice meal and help out a little, but she didn't" and then my aunt said, "Yeah, after I had my baby, I thought my mom would come and help out for a few days, but she just visited for a few hours."

I thought it was really strange that these three women all felt disappointed that their mothers didn't help them when they needed it, and yet they all refuse to help their daughters when in similar situations. I mean.. that makes no sense.

I'm on the verge of telling my mom that if she's not able to help with household stuff, then I'd rather her stay downstairs and I can bring the kids down for a few minutes here and there, but I don't feel comfortable with her being upstairs when my house is such a mess (her standards are way above mine to begin with, too, so this is somewhat true). Is that sneaky? How would you respond?
post #2 of 17
Wow. I don't really have any advice, but I just had to say how effed up it is that they offered to help you, but don't want to give the help that YOU need, only what THEY want to do. Nice.

I really hope none of their other loved ones ever wind up temporarily disabled in an accident - they'd be coming over to "help" and then going, "Oh, I don't want to wipe your butt for you or feed you...but I'll water your plants!"
post #3 of 17
My intention this time is that the price for baby snuggles is doing housework. I'm thinking 1/2 hour of washing dishes or cooking or doing my laundry buys you 10 minutes of baby holding. If you don't pay up, baby stays in pouch.

My mom was good about doing stuff for the house, but my MIL would come and visit, hold the baby and not let me sleep, bring me crappy food, etc. I remember being perched on a rickety folding chair in my kitchen 2 days pp trying to bf because all the real seating in the house was filled with DH's family. Never. again.
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by ColwynsMommy View Post
I'm on the verge of telling my mom that if she's not able to help with household stuff, then I'd rather her stay downstairs and I can bring the kids down for a few minutes here and there, but I don't feel comfortable with her being upstairs when my house is such a mess (her standards are way above mine to begin with, too, so this is somewhat true). Is that sneaky? How would you respond?
I think this is perfectly fair. You're the mama. If she wants to help, she needs to do it on YOUR terms, or she needs to respect your privacy.

After DS was born, I spent quite a bit of time in my parents' part of the house (similar situation that you have, only at the time I was in the basement and they were on the main floor) and she took care of me in her part of the house- washing any baby clothes that were soiled upstairs or that somebody else brought up, cooking for me in her kitchen and cleaning up afterwards (thus keeping my kitchen clean) feeding my older kids in her kichen, helping get them ready for school, etc.

Would something like that work for you?
post #5 of 17
i would just be honest. say that you find it very odd that all three relatives found how hard it was having a newborn and the upkeep of a house. and that you are hurt that she would not want to help you where you ACTUALLY need help. my mil thinks she is coming over to help with household stuff every day. i do plan on having her come for the 8 weeks my hubby will be away for his corrections training but not after baby is born. she causes more chaos then if i just did it myself. i'd rather her cook meals for me and have hubby pick them up. i have been as honest as possible but she still thinks she is rooming in. some people just don't take the hint. good luck.
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by ColwynsMommy View Post
She said, "Oh, no, I'm not doing any of *that*! I'll take the boys out, or hold the baby for you."
"Well then, we'll invite you over when we're ready for you to spend some time with the kids. If you aren't going to be useful, you don't get to come up right away. Love you! See you about a month after the baby's born!"
post #7 of 17
When she calls to 'help' say "Oh, we're all adjusting just fine, but if you want to take the boys out anyways you can. House is a total mess though and I'd feel way to embarrassed to have visitors over any time soon."

Even though it's not helping you out, let her take the boys out or hold the baby as long as it's not interfering with your plans. It's not like it's doing any harm. I'd just be very upfront with "Oh, we don't NEED the help, so really it's ok, but if you WANT to do it anyways, that's fine." Hopefully that'll give her the hint that she's not helping at all and if she wants to be deemed as helpful, then run the dishwasher or cook a meal.
post #8 of 17
I would be completely honest with her. Tell her that what you really want help with is housework, that you feel quite hurt that she isn't willing to do that for you. Leave the ball in her court.
post #9 of 17
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I would be completely honest with her. Tell her that what you really want help with is housework, that you feel quite hurt that she isn't willing to do that for you. Leave the ball in her court.
Yep, hurt just like she was, and wouldn't this be a great opportunity to break that cycle.
I agree, mama, it's effed up
post #10 of 17
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I would be completely honest with her. Tell her that what you really want help with is housework, that you feel quite hurt that she isn't willing to do that for you. Leave the ball in her court.
ITA.
post #11 of 17
Its about as crazy as my mother fully acknowledging that she had all the help in the world and how nice it was and refusing it to me. She offers my brothers up as help - isn't that sweet?

I would just flat out tell her not to bother unless she was gonna do some dishes or something, cause her help is no help at all. But then again I am like that : Maybe you can word it better lol.
post #12 of 17
I sometimes wonder if offers for "help" aren't just an excuse to lurk around the new baby. After I had DD, it was all about the baby. It's OK to be excited about her. Don't get me wrong. But it's like once she was born, everybody dumped me in the dust, and I no longer mattered. They came over and trashed my house--despite the repeated promises to "help." There I was, healing and saddle sore with stitches, hobbling around to pick up after them while they passed around the baby. (DH did what he could and nagged me not to get up, but it was impossible to keep up).

And after the first week, nobody called. The house was dead silent. Thankfully, my mother eventually showed up from out of state and did some genuine help.

But when new mamas are treated like mere baby-making machines, it's no wonder we're prone to PPD. :

Sorry for rambling, but this topic is a big deal to me.

To the OP, I agree with PPs' comments about being honest with extended family. But your housekeeping issues are still pending a resolution. I think it would be worth every penny to hire a doula who included post-partum services. They do everything from dirty dishes to breastfeeding help to checking up on how you're healing and feeling.
post #13 of 17
I guess I feel a little bit differently than pps. Although I think it is really strange that all the women in your family would have loved help cleaning the kitchen, house, etc post partum, but refuse to do so with their kids, ruining your relationship with your mom isn't really the answer. Especially since you live so close. I would take the help that she is willing to give, after talking with her about your feelings. I mean, it would be nice knowing the other kids are safe with mom while you are napping with baby. And then, it is up to you to break the cycle with YOUR little ones. JMO- that is a tough situation, though! Keep us posted on how your discussion goes...
post #14 of 17
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I guess I feel a little bit differently than pps. Although I think it is really strange that all the women in your family would have loved help cleaning the kitchen, house, etc post partum, but refuse to do so with their kids, ruining your relationship with your mom isn't really the answer. Especially since you live so close. I would take the help that she is willing to give, after talking with her about your feelings. I mean, it would be nice knowing the other kids are safe with mom while you are napping with baby. And then, it is up to you to break the cycle with YOUR little ones. JMO- that is a tough situation, though! Keep us posted on how your discussion goes...
This sort of sounds like my mom, kind of. She would either tell me she didn't have time to help me or she would come help and try to make me feel guilty about her being there. Most of the women in my family are flaky though, I just hope I never turn out like them.
post #15 of 17
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I would take the help that she is willing to give, after talking with her about your feelings. I mean, it would be nice knowing the other kids are safe with mom while you are napping with baby.
I don't know that I'd be able to trust her to actually watch the other kids in this case. She's flaked on promises before and if she can't manage to do 20 minutes of useful work how reliable is she going to be with watching the kids for a few hours?
post #16 of 17
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I don't know that I'd be able to trust her to actually watch the other kids in this case. She's flaked on promises before and if she can't manage to do 20 minutes of useful work how reliable is she going to be with watching the kids for a few hours?
That's kind of harsh, don't you think? In my original post, I wrote how hands on and involved they are with the kids. We have some slight disagreements over things like overgifting and junk food, but my parents are the people who would raise my children should something happen to me and my husband. They gladly watch them for hours on the weekends if we need them to, and beg us to go out to the movies so they can have a sleepover (yes, even though we're only on different floors of the same house). They're quite responsible when it comes to the children.

My mom just wants to do the fun stuff (watching the kids, holding the baby) and not the actual work that I'll need help with. And thank you to the poster who said that this issue isn't worth ruining my relationship with my mother.. I totally agree. I'm looking for constructive, healthy ways of dealing with this issue - and thanks to those of you who helped me with that.
post #17 of 17
Tough issue. I wouldn't ruin your relationship either. I mean, she is your mother, and lives so close to you. I would take her offer to hold the baby while you shower, eat, take a nap, (if baby isnt also wanting a nap) and to keep the other kids entertained while you do those things, so you dont have to deal with "Mom, I'm hungry, there isn't anything to eat. or "Mom, I'm bored. or Mom, where is my green shirt?" type stuff.

My mom wouldn't help with baby care with either baby. I would have loved a chance to shower. Or eat without baby on my lap. She did cook meals which was great. She also cared for my 2 year old. She fixed her meals, got her milk, and took her to pee when needed, so I didnt have to interrupt the baby from nursing when she needed something. That help was nice. I wish she would have done housework so I didn't have to come home from the hospital day 2 pp and clean my entire house that she and dd trashed while I was gone.
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