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post #341 of 360
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Originally Posted by journeymom View Post

I think that in every instance you mention they hinted in just this last season that House was responsible for getting Wilson in trouble. Every instance. I really wish I could remember the specifics, but House admitted that when House and Wilson were at that convention in New Orleans before they became friends, House sized up Wilson and ...something about a mirror and Wilson getting in jail. House, like, egged him on or got him drunk.

Ex-wives: again, I wish I could remember specifics, but last season Wilson accused House of breaking up his most recent marriage.

And about Amber, House is the one who called her to come pick him up from the bar. She wouldn't even have been in the bus when it crashed if he hadn't done that, and his trying to save her was his desperate attempt at fixing the dire consequences of his actions.

Not that Wilson isn't ultimately responsible for misbehaving and getting himself in jail, or for messing around and getting himself divorced. And House didn't cause the bus crash (and, yes, I remember that there was some bad medicine reaction that poisoned Amber and was the ultimate cause of her death). But House's hand has been in every instance, stirring things up and making things worse.

House has a mammoth ego, is incredibly selfish, and cruelly blunt. I suspect Wilson stays with House for the same reason we, the viewers, do: he's charming. We love his obnoxious behavior.

However, I totally agree about Amber telling House to tell Wilson what he means to him. That was really touching. I forget, did he say anything to Wilson?

I don't see how House was responsible for any of that! House had no hand in the New Orleans arrest----he just watched from across the room as Wilson he got drunk, angry and then broke a window and was arrested. They never even spoke until House bailed him out, iirc. Wilson has a bit of a temper. And his wandering eye & flawed romances are also his own responsibilty, not House's. House was only part of all those instances because they are friends. Wilson loves to blame House and Wilson gets to carry the "good guy" rep but in reality, they are both magnificently egotistical and selfish. Wilson just hides it better----which actually makes him less honest.

If anything, I can see that Wilson's need to have House need him (and his track record of dropping romantic partners when they stop needing him) pushing House to remain needy. Which is totally twisted, and House's own responsiblity as well. But, well, it's there. And they touched on in the finale---when House reassured Wilson that being healthy & in a relationship w/ Cuddy would not destroy their friendship. Wilson brushed it off, but I do think that is a valid concern for House. Their friendship has survived Wilson's relationships, but mainly because, as Cuddy once commented "You'll never lose your friend, House. You're the long-distance runner of neediness." (One of my fav quotes, although I did have to look ti up---season 4)

I love them both but they are both very very flawed men. And both have had moments of being really, really awful to the other---both on purpose and accidently (ie, because they didn't think through the consequences of their actions).
post #342 of 360
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Originally Posted by JesiLynne View Post
Not to derail, but I have a question for those who have watched the show from the start, has House and Cuddy ever slept together ?
Actually, yes, cannon points to them having at least dated briefly and/or slept together at least once in college, 10+ years before the pilot.
post #343 of 360
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Originally Posted by dawningmama View Post
Actually, yes, cannon points to them having at least dated briefly and/or slept together at least once in college, 10+ years before the pilot.
I believe Cuddy admitted sleeping with House at some point during a scene with Vogler.
post #344 of 360
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I don't see how House was responsible for any of that!
OK, I'll concede that my memory is really poor and that I cannot support my claims. Though, still, Amber wouldn't have been in the bus except that House called her out there.
post #345 of 360
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OK, I'll concede that my memory is really poor and that I cannot support my claims. Though, still, Amber wouldn't have been in the bus except that House called her out there.
I love chatting about this stuff! It's interesting to hear how others see the show and characters. I admit that at times I've wondered why either of them stay around---Wilson does seem able to carry on other relationships/friendships. Although, now that I think about it, when push comes to shove House can build outside friendships as well---the PI comes to mind (I miss him!) but he also interviewed another doc when Wilson left (great scene!) and he certainly has bonded over the years with the members of his team(s). But, regardless, House and Wilson keep coming back to each other.

Of course, Amber would not have been on the bus if Wilson hadn't dated her in the first place.
post #346 of 360
i dont remember amber saying that!! when did she say that?? and did he tell him?? wtf cant i recall that??
post #347 of 360
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Originally Posted by IncaMama View Post
i dont remember amber saying that!! when did she say that?? and did he tell him?? wtf cant i recall that??
The conversation I posted about? It was the second to last episode of this season (so, 2 weeks ago), "Under My Skin." House admits to Wilson that he's hallucinating. They are standing in the hall outside Wilson's office and House is asking Wilson to sit on the differentials. Amber shows up, behind Wilson, and urges House to tell Wilson what he means to him, that he cares for him, that he loves him (whether she actually says "Tell him you love him" is a bit of a conroversy. House is talking over her at that point, but really, there is no other word that would fit there, so I'm going with "love."). The episode is on hulu now, and that scene is about 5 min into the ep if you want to see it.
post #348 of 360
but he didn't ask Amber to come. he called for Wilson & Wilson wasn't home. Amber *chose* to go to the bar to get House and take him home on the bus.
post #349 of 360
thanks! i'm so gonna watch that right now.

and i didnt know cuddy had slept w/him. i know she talked about how she was only auditing the class they shared, but wait...was that during the hallucination?? :

oh h*ll, i have a crappy memory
post #350 of 360
Cuddy's confession about only auditing the endo class was during House's hallucination, so we have no idea if that's true or just part of his ego/imagination. It certainly fits. House is at least a year or two older than Cuddy and I imagine he would have been rather fascinating to Cuddy when she was in college.

I got season 2 on dvd and dp and I have been watching old episodes. I think season 2 is my fangirl favorite, but even with that it's going to be a looooong summer. Even the spoilers have dried up.
post #351 of 360
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but he didn't ask Amber to come. he called for Wilson & Wilson wasn't home. Amber *chose* to go to the bar to get House and take him home on the bus.
Ahhh, correct, I forgot about that. Still, House was involved in Amber's death, no one else from the show was there. You're right, she chose. But she still wouldn't have been there if House had not called, looking for a ride from Wilson.

This has me wondering if the accident is at the root of House's current situation?
post #352 of 360
That's y favorite theory right now: the hallucinations are from residual swelling or whatver from the dangerous brain surgery House did after the accident, triggered by the stress of Kutner's suicide. Although why that wasn't on House's original envelope list of possible causes would be hard to "clean up."
post #353 of 360
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Denial? Though IMO that would be poor writing, to not give even a teeny hint that House's hallucinations are an after affect of the accident. Though maybe Amber is the hint. A great, big, staring us in the face hint.
post #354 of 360
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Originally Posted by dawningmama View Post
Actually, yes, cannon points to them having at least dated briefly and/or slept together at least once in college, 10+ years before the pilot.

I remember House had once said that he gave Cuddy all she ever wanted one night, and that is why she employed him, or something along those lines. I couldn't tell if he was telling the truth or just being House.
post #355 of 360
Mini spoiler at Ausiello.
post #356 of 360
OMG do you think the recent Vicodin ban will be written in to the new season??!!?? (Is it totally lame that House is the first thing I thought of when I heard about this?? )
post #357 of 360
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Originally Posted by tinyactsofcharity View Post
OMG do you think the recent Vicodin ban will be written in to the new season??!!?? (Is it totally lame that House is the first thing I thought of when I heard about this?? )

Is that the painkiller ban? Just heard about that. Interesting...
post #358 of 360
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(Is it totally lame that House is the first thing I thought of when I heard about this?? )
Nope, I did too.
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Are they actually going to ban all Vicoden or just the Vicoden/acetaminophen combo? The article I read wasn't very clear.

He'll probably just have to switch to something stronger.
post #360 of 360
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Originally Posted by TheBluebird View Post
Are they actually going to ban all Vicoden or just the Vicoden/acetaminophen combo? The article I read wasn't very clear.

He'll probably just have to switch to something stronger.
"Vicodin" is a combination of hydrocodone and acetaminophen. They have banned combination painkillers that include acetaminophen so Vicodin is banned. Plain ol' hydrocodone is not banned, nor are preparations combining hydrocodone with ibuprofen.
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