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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
(this is a little long!)

I'm the full time working mother of a 6 month old (today!) little girl. We've had a very successful breastfeeding relationship, and pumping at work has gone really well, too. I have a really sweet manager who is quite supportive of me doing whatever I need to do to take care of my little one, including pumping and nursing on my lunch break. I'm currently working 4 days in the office, and one from home (unofficially)

We just acquired a company in Canada, and a couple of months ago, I ended up taking a 1 day business trip there, which went well. At the time, my manager mentioned that in May the whole team might go up to Canada for a few days, and he wanted to give me a heads up. I talked with my husband about this, and decided that if the trip came up, we would all go and make it a combined family vacation/business trip by going up a few days early.

Last Friday, we were told that we were definitely going on a 3 day trip, and that we needed to make reservations the same day, since the trip was only 10 days away. Unfortunately, in the intervening two months, my husband had agreed to go on a business trip to the West Coast for the exact same time frame so he could no longer go up to Canada with me and the nursling. As my collegaues were making their reservations, I found that by leaving 12 hours earlier than my colleagues on a Sunday, and staying an extra night, my ticket would be less than half of the cost of their ticket. All in, it would cost less for me to bring our nanny/nursling and stay an extra night in Canada than what my colleagues were paying for their plane ticket.

So, I happily printed out one of my colleague's reservation with cost, my proposed trip which cost less, the portion of the company's Travel Policy which states that if an employee needs a companion to travel on business, the company will pay for it (with VP approval), and the portion of the policy which states that changes to an employee's itinerary for personal reasons are allowed so long as it is cheaper than the originally proposed business trip.

My manager looked at everything I brought him, and said it looked fine to him, but had to be approved by his manager. His manager looked at it, and didn't want to make the decision, so took it to his manager, the CFO. An hour or so later, my manager called me into his office to tell me that due to the company-wide cost cutting measures that the CFO wouldn't approve my trip because travel costs under scrutiny. This made absolutely no sense, since my trip cost less than everyone else's, but I was so mad at this point I decided I better keep my mouth shut and not say something that I regretted.

About an hour after this, the CFO walked by my work station, and I asked him if he had a minute. I asked if he could please explain to me why I was not going to be able to join my colleagues on the trip. There was a lot of hemming and hawing, and requests for clarification from me, but his reasons went in this chronological order:

1. Cost of travel (we set this one straight quickly)
2. Liability (if the plane were to crash and my nanny and baby were on the trip, then the company would be liable, which would increase the company's insurance)
3. Precedent (wouldn't want employees to start thinking about ways to integrate home and personal life in cost-saving ways which follow compay policy)
4. He doesn't like to "mix" personal and business (the real reason)

I think this was one of the most ridiculous conversations I have ever had in my professional life, but I actually felt better after having it, because I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt why my trip was being denied and that I had made my case as best I could.

Hence, I was left with three options - go on the trip without baby (really not an option for me), go on the trip, and pay for the nanny's plane ticket myself, or not go on the trip. I decided I just wouldn't go. I'm not sure if that was the right decision for my career or not. Part of me says I should have just sucked up the cost, because this situation wouldn't be an issue later on (I wouldn't mind leaving my nursling for 2-3 days in a few months if my husband were home) and that no workplace is going to be perfect. It took me a very long time to find a job that I really like with people I like.

So at this point, I am trying to figure out my next steps. Do I just let this one go and hope that my CFO's antiquated notions of business/personal don't affect me. SHould I start looking for a job at a family friendly company and hope that I like the work as much as I do here? Has anyone been in a situation similar to this and have any advice? I'm passed being really, really mad at the situation, and now just kind of sad, because I have liked working here a lot, but am not sure if this is the right place anymore.

Thanks for your feedback!
post #2 of 11
So, you made a proposal where it would be cheaper for the company, you would be able to completely focus since your baby is nearby, and he didn't like the idea because...? I think he's being very silly and his excuses sound lame.
post #3 of 11
sorry to hear this happened! sounds like your immediate supervisor has been extremely supportive so as long as you got their support I'm sure it won't kill your career-- probably will be forgotten about soon anyway.


I don't know what city you were going to in Canada but I'm in Canada and have traveled alone with DD and gotten babysitters on-site--they turned out to be excellent! I can recommend someone in Winnipeg and Edmonton so not sure if that's where you were going or not, but if it's still open for you going then PM me.
post #4 of 11
Wow, I'm sorry you had to deal with this. His decision makes no sense. Yes, how absolutely horrible it would be for employees to be able to have their INFANT nearby while on a business trip, while SAVING the company money. That's just RIDICULOUS.

My DH's boss gave him some similar excuse for why they wouldn't pay his hotel parking costs for a business trip, since me and DS were going with him. The same crap about "liability" since we would be in the same car as him... Whatever.

Stuff like that makes my blood boil.
post #5 of 11
Honestly, I would have paid for the nanny's ticket myself. The policy states that "if an employee needs a companion to travel on business, the company will pay for it (with VP approval)"... technically, the VP did not approve ait and technically, you don't need a companion to travel (your companion needs you)! Even then I think you could have convinced the company to pay for your baby's ticket if you wanted to get her a seat, but a companion for your companion is not covered under the travel policy, so you were going to have to pay for that either way.

I dunno, even in my VERY family-friendly work environment, I still don't think that would fly. (ha ha, so punny!)
post #6 of 11
We had a similar though less important issue with DH's job. Apparently the IRS is looking more closely at business travel costs, so when DH was working for two months out of state, the company preferred to pay for him to return home than for me to fly out to visit. In years past, the company hasn't minded flying me out at all, but now they're saying due to the IRS they have to be more careful. So that could be it. The old IRS doesn't want family members getting free vacation travel, I guess.

Good luck. I hope you work out a solution.
post #7 of 11
That stinks...but FWIW I think you made the right decision.
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone for your responses!

Heather - I think what you said helped me put into perspective why I was so frustrated. Had the CFO come to me and denied my request, using the reasoning that you did, I wouldn't have been happy, but it at least would have made sense. I think what made me so upset is that he gave me bogus reasons that were really quite insulting to me!

On the brighter side, I've decided that I'm just going to start looking for a job at a more family friendly place. Sometimes its better to "stay and fight" but in this case, I've decided its better for my family and me to just go somewhere that my unique situation is, well, no so unique!
post #9 of 11
Just be sure when you get the great new job that you send your previous employer a letter or do an exit interview where you lay the fact of your leaving squarely on the door of the CFOs bias against mothers.
post #10 of 11
I'm not siding with your CFO, because it sounds like he's definitely biased.

However, I work for about the family-friendliest company I've ever heard of. But I know they would not pay for me to bring a nanny and bf'ing baby on a business trip. They'd be fine with my paying to bring my own babysitter/baby, but they wouldn't pay for it.

I also decided to stay home from a business trip a couple years ago, because my mom (who's my only babysitter) had to accompany my dad to chemo. I told my boss in advance, "I can't go on these two days, and here's why. Any other day in the whole month works fine for me." She chose to schedule the meeting on those two days, so I stayed home. She didn't speak to me for a month - she was really mad. But she got over it, and I continue to advance and get raises.

Sorry for the long story. But all that's to say that they'll get over it if you stay home. If you find a job at another company, who's to say your next boss will be as family-friendly as your current one? Just something to think about.
post #11 of 11
In the current business environment, I think it will be really hard to find an employer who would pay for all the tickets in the situation you describe. I am pretty sure my DH's (really great) employer would not. Its not a question of cost, its about the employer paying for things that are not direct business expenses.

I think even if you looked at the Working Women Top 100 best employer list, you would have difficulty - the boys are in charge and making the rules, their wives mostly gave formula and they just don't understand.

Most women in this situation have to pay for the nanny's trip - which is no fun but thats just what they do. In some cases, they might not even mention to anyone that baby and nanny are going also.
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