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post #1 of 41
4/30/08 at 3:37pm
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My MIL sent me this link "full of good information". I am horrified! Is this for real??? Pulling a baby's hair for biting while nursing and using a switch on BABIES??? I cried while reading this. What are these people thinking?

http://www.gospeltruth.net/children/pearl_tuac.htm

This is a quote from the site:

Through this process of association the child will involuntarily recall the pain every time he hears the word "No." There comes a time when your word alone is sufficient to gain obedience.
post #2 of 41
4/30/08 at 3:46pm
ah the Pearls... go researche them the Ezzos and others like their ilk and you'll find horrific suggestions for "parenting." Very sad that some mothers get sucked into believing this is how they should raise their children... :<
post #3 of 41
4/30/08 at 4:00pm
The fact that some people actually do things like this to their children makes me want to :Puke
ETA: I just went back and read through that entire thing...and OMG!! : That has got to be the most disturbing thing I've ever read. I can't believe people actually want to "train" their children to be perfectly obedient, never-questioning drones. Sick. Sick. Sick.
post #4 of 41
4/30/08 at 4:14pm
WOW. We had a dog from the pound who was afraid of men and sticks. I guess it had been 'trained' too. Disgusting.

Also, lecturing a 10 month old on the importance of coming when called? Violent AND futile. What a deal.
post #5 of 41
4/30/08 at 4:30pm
This bothers me so much. "Training" a child will give you a child who is only acting "good" out of fear. A child who only does good things out of fear of punishment is not going to sustain that kind of behavior into adulthood when parents and switches are no longer a threat.

I suppose that's why they keep the kids very very religious, too, in the "hellfire and brimstone" style. I don't have anything against religion per se, but the kind of religion these people bring their kids up with is basically just an extension of their discipline philosophy: "be afraid, because if you're bad you'll be punished FOREVER." I suppose that might work when the switches stop.
post #6 of 41
4/30/08 at 4:37pm
I can't even open something like that. I can't believe your MIL would send that to you...who would want their grandchild treated that way?
post #7 of 41
4/30/08 at 4:43pm
I can't even read stuff like that. It's so so so scary to me that people actually treat their children like that. It makes me want to find a way to protect all the poor innocent children who have parents that think this is the best way to raise them.
post #8 of 41
4/30/08 at 4:45pm
Well, at least this lets you know that MIL is not a good candidate for babysitting! :
post #9 of 41
4/30/08 at 4:45pm
Is your MIL normally like this? Was your DH raised this way? Is it at all possible that she forwarded it without really reading it?
post #10 of 41
4/30/08 at 5:03pm
Wow. It says babies are manipulative, and compares toddlers expressing their desires to mob bosses and terrorists (seriously!).

Children are supposed to have no desires (according to this guy) apart from what the parents want, or they're terrorizing you. Disgusting. And the child is supposed to "drop everything" the first time they're called "until they leave home." What do these kids do when they do get out into the real world and can desire something for the first time?
post #11 of 41
4/30/08 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by paquerette View Post
Well, at least this lets you know that MIL is not a good candidate for babysitting! :
AMEN
post #12 of 41
4/30/08 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by beka1977 View Post
Is your MIL normally like this? Was your DH raised this way? Is it at all possible that she forwarded it without really reading it?
MIL was VERY strict with DH (spanking, grounding etc) and totally permissive with his twin younger brothers. I wish I could believe she had not read it but it came with the note "you should read this, it has very good advice that I hope you two will heed" I'm just in shock!
post #13 of 41
4/30/08 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by TheRationalCrunchy View Post
What do these kids do when they do get out into the real world and can desire something for the first time?
I believe that if they are women they leave their parents' home to make a home with their husband, to whom they will submit. So they're covered.
http://www.amazon.com/Created-Be-His...9586572&sr=8-3
post #14 of 41
4/30/08 at 5:36pm
Oh man, the Pearls are awful

This stuff just makes me sick.
post #15 of 41
4/30/08 at 5:45pm
that is SICK!....

I cant even believe they go into detail about the switch they use, its diameter and what tree it came from!....sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick......I cant say it enough...SICK!
post #16 of 41
4/30/08 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by chfriend View Post
I believe that if they are women they leave their parents' home to make a home with their husband, to whom they will submit. So they're covered.
http://www.amazon.com/Created-Be-His...9586572&sr=8-3
There are 174 reviews.
OMFG I knew about this book but reading the reviews...WOW :

You gotta wonder what goes on in that marriage
post #17 of 41
4/30/08 at 9:29pm
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wow, I checked out the ezzos too! I feel so sorry for the kids of the ppl that believe in these books!
post #18 of 41
5/1/08 at 12:02am
OMG. I am bawling over here and I think I only got through 1/3 of it. I can't stop crying!! This is the most horrible thing I have ever read.

I have heard of the Pearls and Ezzos, and knew it was spanking and such... but setting your child up with a toy they want to reach out and touch.... and then switching their hand when they reach for it, so they can learn what "no" means????? That is breaking your child's spirit and molding them to be completely compliant and making their only desire to please you. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

That was horrible.
post #19 of 41
5/1/08 at 1:15am
My mother in law believes this crap too. And my nephews are being raised with this
Needless to say, when we have children, any time spent around these people will be very well supervised. In fact,we're seriously considering not having children as long as we live nearby my MIL.
post #20 of 41
5/1/08 at 2:44am
Boy are these people full of themselves- I read the preface and it actually compares children to Amish mules! And that once you read it you will exclaim I knew this all along???? They don't even want to know that the child is present until she is ready to pee her pants?????? And they shouldn't receive comfort for getting a knot on the head????? They state that a child is too stupid to realize that you are the one inflicting the pain but it is the no or the object that did it????? I have yet to read a more ignorant piece of propaganda before this.

These people should never come in contact with another living being. I wouldn't wish their presence on a malaria-ridden mosquito.

So sad that anyone could find anything positive in this load of crap. Unless it is what not to do with a child....never treat a child THIS way...
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