Yes, I think it would be great to have a CL sub forum here. Before reading this thread, I had no idea what CL was and had only seen it mentioned here, but it seems like something I would really enjoy practicing as it feels like what I naturally gravitate towards.
It makes so much sense to me what pps have said about children learning self-discipline by being able to exert their autonomy over their own life. I especially liked the example of the children eating marshmallows and wanting to make something healthier to eat when they got home, not because it was healthier but because they like the way their bodies feel better when they eat those foods. It strikes me that perhaps we wouldn't have so many eating disorders in this country if kids actually knew how different foods made their bodies feel. And you're all totally correct, we learn best through our own experiences and make choices based on that. If we actually trusted our kids as kids instead of thinking that only adults can be trusted to make good choices, maybe there'd be a lot less difficulty in those relationships.
I see that even in my ten month old ds- if I trust him to show me what he needs we're all a lot happier. My best friend said something that really struck me not too long ago- she said that babies have the same IQ that we do, they just don't have the language and experience yet. We tend to think of children/babies as somehow a totally different entity than an adult and while certainly they are in a different place in their lives than we are, they will be an adult someday, this very same person who is a baby now. Mostly we would never treat adults the way we treat children, so why do we treat children that way? Certainly they like it just as little as adults do.
Very interesting thread, you've all given me lots to think about as usual! Thanks