Pros and Cons to Circumcising - Page 4

[perspective]

Originally Posted by Greg B

I think the confusion here is in what is not being stated explicitely. There are several ways to judge which is better. Personal preference, function, naturalness, etc.

Of course an individual may feel that cut is better for him, or even others. And using just personal preference, that is valid.

On the other hand, a person may argue that a penis with a foreskin functions better, and that is superior to a circ'd penis. And using that criteria, that is valid.

It is all in how you define the way you will measure which is "better" or "superior"

Regards

EXACTLY! Wow, you said that so perfectly.
Bm31- This is not about your criteria of what a better penis is, or what mine is, its about the boy's himself.

Also, just one last point, thats important to make:

Bm31: The benefit of being able to choose later is a nice byproduct.

A male having the right to control his own body isn't a "nice byproduct", but it is the central point to this whole issue and movement. This is one of the most basic, natural rights every person has, and it should not be taken away, and its importance should not be diminished.

(sorry if I came on too strong with all of this, but with many of us here, this is a issue thats very important to me)

[njeb]

Another part of waiting until the man is grown before circumcising is that the man has more control over his circumcision--he can tell the doctor how much or how little foreskin he wants the physician to remove, and he gets enough anesthesia so he doesn't have to endure extreme pain. His penis has reached its full size, so the doctor knows not to remove too much skin. With RIC, neither of these factors are true. Too many men endure pain with erection because they don't have enough skin left.

Of course, the vast majority of grown intact men will NOT want to part with their foreskins!

[Bm31]

Originally Posted by perspective

(sorry if I came on too strong with all of this, but with many of us here, this is a issue thats very important to me)

No, what you came off as is someone determined to have an argument.

[Bm31]

Originally Posted by LavenderMae

I completely agree. I wouldn't expect my sons to want to cut off their foreskins anymore than their arms. I just don't think in pro-circ terms.

Exactly. Until the faulty cultural thinking (pro-circ) is exposed they will continue to do it. Otherwise....if one = the other....what's the point in all this? Give your child the best...and if they chose to modify their body later....so be it, at least they had that choice and can assume their own risks.

[perspective]

Originally Posted by Bm31

No, what you came off as is someone determined to have an argument.

Well I think I did get a bit irritated at you, but mostly because you often followed serious comments, with that little "wink", or you made that demeaning comment about my argument, by saying that I should "save that for the teen boards".

But I was very stubborn with my argument, because human rights is a very important issue for me, but at times you seemed to think, what YOU thought was best, was best. Not that the best decision, is no decision at all.

[Bm31]

Originally Posted by perspective

Well I think I did get a bit irritated at you, but mostly because you often followed serious comments, with that little "wink", or you made that demeaning comment about my argument, by saying that I should "save that for the teen boards".

But I was very stubborn with my argument, because human rights is a very important issue for me, but at times you seemed to think, what YOU thought was best, was best. Not that the best decision, is no decision at all.

I nicely offered for you to take this to a pm to further discuss as it's no longer pertinent to this thread but is only splitting hairs over intactivist strategy. There is no "right" or "wrong." You responded in true, righteous teen fashion by looking to "win" a public argument. You're still talking in circles and proving nothing. And please don't assume tellling someone they are making "corruptive" arguments, or they are the same as a pro-circ, or that because they don't agree with YOUR reasoning or priorities they are not interested in human rights, that is not offensive...especially in the context of all our participation on this board.

Again, I offer my pm to you and would be quite open to discuss The Truth as you see it. We may both learn something. However, I don't find it constructive to continue this public flailing about.

[newmama8824]

Hello from a fellow Okie.

I have a 4mo. he's intact. I don't see it as a two-sides type of thing. It's his body, his genitals. Not mine!

Their is no reason to do it. So why do it? Most people do decide to do it for fear of their son being "different". Well, this really isn't a worry anymore as more and more boys each year are being left INTACT! Also, people do it out of stupidity. Which can be forgiven, but if you have he resources in front of you, use them. I'm sure you will quickly come to a decision!

I am a FTM and I remember when the question came up, I didn't know what I was going to do. Well, after reading and lurking on this board and some others and going to different websites I quickly made my mind up, and now I find it to be a an awful thing that so many infants go through every day. I first thought, I will just go in with him and comfort him while he's getting it done, so I watched a video of a circumcision. After that, I wanted to vomit, NO WAY was my sweet baby going through that and no way did I want to go see him go through it.

It made me realize, If I didn't want to SEE that happen then what in the world would make me think it was the right thing to do?