PLastibell etc?

[tireesix]

I am right in thinking that all methods of circumcision involve some cutting (talking about crushing devices like plastibell and tara klamp)?

Is there any device that just involves leaving something in place and waiting for the foreskin to drop off?

[perspective]

Originally Posted by tireesix

I am right in thinking that all methods of circumcision involve some cutting (talking about crushing devices like plastibell and tara klamp)?

Is there any device that just involves leaving something in place and waiting for the foreskin to drop off?

Next someone claims this about their son, ask them to name a device that opens skin without actually making a cut.

There is no magical device, this is surgery. You either cut it off, or crush it off.

There are devices that you leave on a baby for a few days. But whats going on here is your crushing the skin until the foreskin looses all blood flow, and it falls off, like a rotting limb.

Some parents dont see it as bad. But can you imagine what it would feel like to do that to yourself. (maybe an ear, a small toe, or even a flap of skin somewhere on your own genitals) Just pick any small limb or flap of skin and imagine putting so much pressure on it, that it looses all circulation and falls off! You just gotta pray those nerve endings die off quickly so the pain can go away.

[thixle]

All methods involve cutting, including those that do a "crush" first. In plastibell, a string is tied around the bell, the foreskin is cut close to the string, but a tiny piece of necrotizing skin remains until it finally falls off. But it is only a SMALL piece of skin (like 1/8th inch) that remains, the rest is definately cut off with a scalpel.
http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/ has listings for plasitibell, gomco, Tara, sheldon, and mogen.

[alegna]

Originally Posted by tireesix

I am right in thinking that all methods of circumcision involve some cutting (talking about crushing devices like plastibell and tara klamp)?

Is there any device that just involves leaving something in place and waiting for the foreskin to drop off?

Okay- if there WERE... why would it be preferable to crush and then allow a piece of skin to ROT OFF?

Sound barbaric to me.

-Angela

[tireesix]

There is a woman who has been insisting for years that there is a method that doesn't involve cutting, I keep explaining but she won't hear of it and I suddeny thought to double check lol.

Personally, if a circumcision really had to be done on an infant (which we all know simply isn't really gonna happeen) I think I would have to prefer the cut rather than the crushing, cutting and waiting for bits of the device to fall off, seems like extra unnecessary trauma.

The discussion has just made me feel sick to my stomach. Whats worse is that a couple of years a go over here, the vast majority of women thought it was abhorrent to circumcise, but now, it seems that more and more are thinking its not that bad, and I am in the UK. i just don't get it.

Really depressed today and this just made it all so much worse.

[thixle]

Originally Posted by tireesix

There is a woman who has been insisting for years that there is a method that doesn't involve cutting, I keep explaining but she won't hear of it and I suddeny thought to double check lol.

Personally, if a circumcision really had to be done on an infant (which we all know simply isn't really gonna happeen) I think I would have to prefer the cut rather than the crushing, cutting and waiting for bits of the device to fall off, seems like extra unnecessary trauma.

Here ya go:
http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/methods.html
And here is the Platibell (aka no-cut) method, in drawings so it's not exactly graphic, just technical. Notice there are 2 incisions- the dorsal slit, then removal of the foreskin: http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/pl...drawings2.html

The reason for crushing is to stop blood flow and blood loss in the babies. It's really "better" to clamp the skin before cutting. I hate to say that, but it keeps them from bleeding to death because the blood vessels are sealed off first... prevents more trauma, and keeps the incident of "degloving" down (where the shaft skin seperates completely and slides off the inner-workings of the penis)...
It's all unnecessary. But less boys die when they clamp and crush.

[Mrs-Mama]

Cutting? Clamping? Crushing? *insert vomit smilie* There's no right way to do a wrong thing.

[tennisdude23]

Originally Posted by Mrs-Mama

Cutting? Clamping? Crushing? *insert vomit smilie* There's no right way to do a wrong thing.

Bingo!

[Frankly Speaking]

Originally Posted by tireesix

There is a woman who has been insisting for years that there is a method that doesn't involve cutting, I keep explaining but she won't hear of it and I suddeny thought to double check lol.

All methods and devices approved for use in The United States involve cutting without exception. The TaraKlamp does not involve cutting but it is not used on infants and it is not approved for use in the US.

Most people who believe there is a method that does not involve cutting are thinking of the Plastibel Device but it involves just as much cutting as any other method. In addition, because of the small amount of necrotizing skin left distal to the ligature, the infection rate is higher than with any of the other methods.

The other methods are Gomco, (most common) Mogen (mostly used by ritual circumcisers) and the free hand method. (rarely used anymore) The freehand method is virtually the same as the procedure used for adults called the sleeve resection. These are the only techniques and implements used in North America and they all involve cutting.

Let the woman insist all she wants. All she is doing is insisting on is putting her ignorance and zealotry on public display for all to see.


Frank

[fruitful womb]

Originally Posted by Mrs-Mama

Cutting? Clamping? Crushing? *insert vomit smilie* There's no right way to do a wrong thing.

Oh snap! Thats Brilliant!!!

[Quirky]

And don't forget the ripping. First there's a dorsal slit, then the foreskin is ripped away from the glans exactly like a fingernail is ripped away from the nailbed, then the Plastibell is put on to cover the glans, then the foreskin is drawn up around the Plastibell, tied on, and trimmed off.

So yah, plenty of ripping and slicing with the Plastibell.