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post #221 of 243
OMGoodness! I absolutly LOVE fruits. I honestly don't think there is a fruit in this country I haven't tried. My daughter loves them too. If parents are concerned about cost they should look at the fact that it is much cheaper than buying those tiny little containers of apple sauce (I've bought those... wheres that paper bag when I need it ). Often times, if I don't think the kiddo and I (hubby isn't a big fruit eater) will consume the fresh fruits in time I will buy the no sugar added frozen fruits. I nuke them in the micro and eat them raw. They are also a great substitute over pancakes, desserts, and toast. The frozen black cherries are my absolute favorite! Just this week my daughter and I finished off the bananas, 3 apples, 3 necturines, and quite a few helpings of frozen fruit mix with peaches, mangos, pineapple, grapes, and honeydew. We JUST had a bowl not 10 minutes ago.

I think part of this whole easy, crappy, food, mind set comes from dependence on fast food. I know a lot of moms who, when in a time crunch will run to McDonalds claiming the nuggets are "all white meat and healthy". Thats nuts, those things are horrid! We all get stuck in ruts and try to make things easier and quicker. We don't want to deal with complaining from the kids so we cover things in condiments. I've done it too (although I've managed to be fast food free for over 3 years and my daughter has never had anything from a fast food joint). At least be glad they are eating the veggies. It's a start. But, just because you have the ranch doesn't mean you have to use it. It's your daycare! Also, maybe there is a home made version you or one of the other moms could make that would be healthier than the store bought.

There are so many foods we should keep kids away from and it gets hard to keep it all straight. it's extra hard when it's other people's kids. There was a week when I had to watch my neice and nephews while their mom and grandmother were at work. I asked their mom to bring food over because they would eat me out of house and home and turn their noses up at my food. She said, "ok, I'll just bring over what they would be eating here." She got here and there was just one single grocery bag and in it was large, identicle, rectangle shapes. She said, "there is one for each of them (ages 1.5, 5, and 8 at the time). They already had cereal for breakfast (sugar cereal) so they each have a meal for lunch and a snack." She left and I went to put away their meals. Out of the bag I pulled 6, bargin bin, TV dinner meals with sad excuse for meat, tiny portion of dehydrated looking veggies, and large dessert. I stared at the meals for quite some time before putting them into the freezer. Undoubtedly these meals left all of the kids hungry and feeling unsatisfied. The two older kids both said they needed ranch and ketchup for their meals as well. AHH!

I understand your frustration. Just try not to be too hard on the parents as I'm sure we all have areas where we could use improvement. Maybe, in a nice way, find some reading material or resources explaining importance of proper foods and dangers of the bad foods. But, then again they may find a way to be offended by that.

Gosh, I just don't know what to tell you besides, "I feel ya"
post #222 of 243
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Originally Posted by rightkindofme View Post
I guess I don't see the point in being upset by people venting on a bulletin board.
I'm not "upset" that she vented: I just think it's okay for people to respond to what she's saying. As I've already said, I come here to vent sometimes, and I know full well that some others won't agree with me, and will share their own perspectives about what I'm saying.

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If you think it is inappropriate for people to be doing it, why are you reading the threads?
As I've already said, I don't think venting is inappropriate, and I'm actually drawn to these kinds of threads because I enjoy a good debate.

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I'm really not trying to be rude in asking. When things irritate me or I think they shouldn't be happen I don't keep looking at them.
Well, when things irritate me, sometimes I speak up and share my perspective.

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What do you get out of continual exposure to people doing things you disapprove of?
I agree with Alyantavid, the same thing could be said/asked of the OP.

After all, I'm only exposing myself here when I choose to click that mouse button: choosing to care for other parents' kids is a choice to expose yourself to way more stuff that you disapprove of, especially if you let yourself get riled over whether they're eating the watermelon (me, I'm cool if no one else wants the watermelon, cause I can eat it fast enough that it won't spoil!)

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For me I'm reading threads because even when I don't think I will adopt a point of view it's neat to see where other people are coming from. If I find a thread that really bugs me I don't look at it again.
That's great! I guess that means you're not really bugged by this one, huh?!
post #223 of 243
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Originally Posted by FondestBianca View Post
But, just because you have the ranch doesn't mean you have to use it. It's your daycare!
So, if a parent brings ranch for her child, it's up to the provider to decide whether she thinks the child should have it?

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Also, maybe there is a home made version you or one of the other moms could make that would be healthier than the store bought.
That's cool -- and if the child likes that version just as well, the mom would probably be happy to take her bottle of store-bought ranch back home.
post #224 of 243
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Originally Posted by mammal_mama View Post
That's great! I guess that means you're not really bugged by this one, huh?!
Confused sometimes, but not bugged. The debate over what kids have or haven't eaten by a certain age is not one I feel any angst about in any way shape or form. As far as criticizing other parents goes... I consider it more telling of the person complaining than anything else. Not necessarily in a bad way--it just gives me interesting information on what they value.

I think that a lot of people are really worried about being seen as "bad parents." Given how many of the parents I have known throughout my lifetime have been viewed by outsiders as "good" while abusing their kids colors how much I care about the judgments people will make about my parenting.

And I know I have different values from most. I'm good with that.
post #225 of 243
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Originally Posted by dubfam View Post
Nope. Totally Different.

You don't get to choose your family.

As a DCP you DO get to choose who your clients will be. And it is a business relationship, even if it is unique.

If the people that you are providing daycare for bother you enough to bash them on the internet then maybe it isn't really a good match, you know?


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What about all the parents complaining on the internet about the provider? You don't think that is offensive? Instead of complaining about the provider, the parents really should find a new daycare? Go to working moms and do a search on "provider" or "Daycare".

The thing is, if you think that your daycare provider NEVER complains about the parents you are so very wrong. We all complain about the parents. SOmetimes to our coworkers, sometimes to our spouses. But, we all have things about the parents that bug us. It can be as small as sending your kids to daycare in flip flops, or as major as ignoring dental problems. It can be annoying things like bringing your daughter over in summer clothes in the middle of winter and announcing that she can't go outside, because she isn't dressed for the weather.

But, we ALL have complaints.
post #226 of 243
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Originally Posted by nextcommercial View Post
That's what it's like here. Mac and Cheese is ONLY Kraft. Chicken nuggets don't have any actual chicken in it.

At the complete other end of the spectrum, I had a set of siblings who had NEVER eaten fast food. One day, a parent brought McDonalds for their child's birthday. These two looked at it like it was plastic food. Neither one liked it, or ate it. I ended up giving them tuna and broccolli just so they would eat something. The other kids kept saying "it's McDonald's!!" as if that would clear up the confusion, and these two just said "oh..O.K" I was secretly hoping they wouldn't like it.
That's my daughter. She won't eat McDonald's food. We haven't taken her there and we haven't taken her to a junk food place (although I sometimes go to those places on my own . DD would prefer broccoli, zucchini, rice, and chicken over fries and a burger.

FWIW I think the OP was sharing her frustrations with us. Nothing wrong with that. I can't identify who she is and who her clients are. She didn't do anything wrong. Day care providers, preschool staffers, and babysitters DO complain. I know a few and yes they do complain. Why wouldn't they? People in other professions do and so long as we vent without any identifying information I don't see anything wrong with it.
post #227 of 243
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Originally Posted by BookGoddess View Post
FWIW I think the OP was sharing her frustrations with us. Nothing wrong with that. I can't identify who she is and who her clients are. She didn't do anything wrong. Day care providers, preschool staffers, and babysitters DO complain. I know a few and yes they do complain. Why wouldn't they? People in other professions do and so long as we vent without any identifying information I don't see anything wrong with it.
Thank you.
post #228 of 243
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Originally Posted by mammal_mama View Post
So, if a parent brings ranch for her child, it's up to the provider to decide whether she thinks the child should have it?
The parents I sit for provide juice. I made the decision put a splash of it in the water I serve with lunch only (no walking around with it). Maybe that makes me a bad DCP because I made the decision that I would not have tooth decay and obesity on my conscience.
post #229 of 243
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Originally Posted by nextcommercial View Post
What about all the parents complaining on the internet about the provider? You don't think that is offensive? Instead of complaining about the provider, the parents really should find a new daycare? Go to working moms and do a search on "provider" or "Daycare".

The thing is, if you think that your daycare provider NEVER complains about the parents you are so very wrong. We all complain about the parents. SOmetimes to our coworkers, sometimes to our spouses. But, we all have things about the parents that bug us. It can be as small as sending your kids to daycare in flip flops, or as major as ignoring dental problems. It can be annoying things like bringing your daughter over in summer clothes in the middle of winter and announcing that she can't go outside, because she isn't dressed for the weather.

But, we ALL have complaints.

Well reading this thread just makes me glad that I am able to SAHM with my kiddos. This whole thing is just...yuck...
I just really can't imagine trusting someone with my kids who is going to gossip about me.

You are right, you can find something wrong with every parent. Why not look for the good stuff? And if there is too much bad stuff to overlook, then end the relationship.

I don't believe that all providers talk about their families this way. I am sure a lot do, but I would imagine there are those who don't.

If someone was talking about their daycare provider this way then yes, I would think they should pull their children.

I personally don't use MDC as a place to vent about personal relationships unless I am seeking advice or help. Anything else is just gossiping.

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post #230 of 243
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Originally Posted by dubfam View Post
Well reading this thread just makes me glad that I am able to SAHM with my kiddos. This whole thing is just...yuck...
I just really can't imagine trusting someone with my kids who is going to gossip about me.

You are right, you can find something wrong with every parent. Why not look for the good stuff? And if there is too much bad stuff to overlook, then end the relationship.

I don't believe that all providers talk about their families this way. I am sure a lot do, but I would imagine there are those who don't.

If someone was talking about their daycare provider this way then yes, I would think they should pull their children.

I personally don't use MDC as a place to vent about personal relationships unless I am seeking advice or help. Anything else is just gossiping.

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This has strayed far afield of the original post, but FYI, I worked both as a nanny and with a good-quality daycare, and IME the childcare providers I worked with generally considered it extremely bad form to gossip or complain about the families, at least in any broad sort of way. If there was one family that was particularly problematic, asking quietly and privately for anonymous advice was okay, but not out-and-out gossiping. In fact, in the daycare center where I worked, they prided themselves on their confidentiality and how parents should (and were) free to open up to them because they would be treated with respect.

So, no, IME all childcare providers don't gossip about their parents, and I think there are lot of really good ones out there that would be appalled at the idea that ALL childcare providers gossip.

Edit: I realized later that I should clarify that I haven't read the thread and don't actually know what gossip was being done. I just saw this in the recent posts and since I know for a fact not all childcare providers gossip, and dubfam was asking, I chimed in.
post #231 of 243
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Originally Posted by FondestBianca View Post
If parents are concerned about cost they should look at the fact that it is much cheaper than buying those tiny little containers of apple sauce (I've bought those...
Why is it assumed that "the kids don't eat strawberries" equals "the parents buy nothing but little containers of applesauce and Fruit Gushers"? Yeah - they're just as expensive. But the parents figure since strawberries spoil very quickly, they buy a bag of apples instead?

Why this "OMG! The child's never had watermelon! Or Kiwi!" attitude? Maybe the kid gets apples and bananas every day. That's really *O.K.*
post #232 of 243
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Originally Posted by meganeilis View Post
The parents I sit for provide juice. I made the decision put a splash of it in the water I serve with lunch only (no walking around with it). Maybe that makes me a bad DCP because I made the decision that I would not have tooth decay and obesity on my conscience.
It really depends on the situation: If the parents are just bringing juice, for all the kids to use (not just their own), to help you out with food costs -- then I don't think they'd really care if the kids got it in a splash with their lunch-water, just so long as the kids actually got it, and weren't complaining that they never get to actually drink straight juice.

But if Sally's mommy is bringing juice for her to drink with her breakfast or lunch, and Sally prefers to drink it straight rather than diluted in water, I do think it's wrong for the provider to dictate in what form she gets her juice. Especially since the provider could give her the straight juice, remind her to swish with water (or brush her teeth) when she's done eating, and minimize the risk of decay in the same way that diluting it would. Giving drinks with a straw is easier on teeth as well.

As for giving it to them to carry around as they play, I can't imagine any parent being mad if you gave them water for that purpose, and just gave the juice at a meal or snack-times. In addition to the tooth-decay risk, I think parents would understand the dcp's preference for not having juice spilled all over the house.
post #233 of 243
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Originally Posted by dubfam View Post
If someone was talking about their daycare provider this way then yes, I would think they should pull their children.
Yes, this!

Again, I'm not so concerned about the ethics of discussing our irritations when we're not giving any identifying information about ourselves or the people we're discussing.

But, yeah, if someone has a totally low opinion of the person they're in an important relationship with -- whether this person is a friend or relative they're spending lots of time with, or a daycare provider, or a parent of a child they're caring for, then I do find myself wondering why they're continuing the relationship.

Especially if the person they're bashing is the one caring for their precious child -- I'd wonder how anyone could leave their child with someone they have no respect for.

And I have to agree with the posters who've said that they're glad they're able to stay home with their kids: It certainly would bug me to be entrusting my precious flesh and blood to someone who'd be mad at me for letting my child wear the flip-flops she loves!
post #234 of 243
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Originally Posted by mtiger View Post
Why this "OMG! The child's never had watermelon! Or Kiwi!" attitude? Maybe the kid gets apples and bananas every day. That's really *O.K.*
Uhm, yeah that!
post #235 of 243
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post #236 of 243
I've heard that a child needs to be offered something more than 50x before you can be sure they won't eat it. My DD will turn up her nose at something one day and gobble it up the next....case in point, she ate a half dozen stalks of asparagus yesterday which she wouldn't touch the week before.

We offer her everything and what she chooses to eat is her business...within reason of course.
post #237 of 243
I feel for the OP. I don't know her at all but I honestly this thread has gone so far on a tangent beyond its original intent that it's hard to understand some of the criticism levelled at her. She's not actively criticizing these children in front of their parents. She's not criticizing the children in front of the children. She came here to vent and get support from other MDC mamas. Some of the posts in here are quite astonishing.
post #238 of 243
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Originally Posted by BookGoddess View Post
I feel for the OP. I don't know her at all but I honestly this thread has gone so far on a tangent beyond its original intent that it's hard to understand some of the criticism levelled at her. She's not actively criticizing these children in front of their parents. She's not criticizing the children in front of the children. She came here to vent and get support from other MDC mamas. Some of the posts in here are quite astonishing.
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post #239 of 243
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Originally Posted by BookGoddess View Post
I feel for the OP. I don't know her at all but I honestly this thread has gone so far on a tangent beyond its original intent that it's hard to understand some of the criticism levelled at her. She's not actively criticizing these children in front of their parents. She's not criticizing the children in front of the children. She came here to vent and get support from other MDC mamas. Some of the posts in here are quite astonishing.
I guess we each just define support in different ways: She's gotten to vent -- but as far as the support, some people see that as telling her how lucky the kids are, while others are exhorting her to have more respect for these children's parents, and to try to appreciate their home situations and lifestyles.

And about going off on tangents, that's what these discussion boards are all about: The original thread sparks people's thoughts on a variety of related subjects, and the discussion takes on a life of its own.
post #240 of 243
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Originally Posted by mammal_mama View Post
Carbonated oranges? Sounds kinda yummy to me! Not for all the time: I do love oranges just as they are -- I love grapefruit, too, but sometimes it's just fun to sprinkle a little sugar on top, or drink some grapefruit juice cocktail, for a little added kick.

Frankly, if my children went to public school and I was determined that they only get foods in their natural state, I'd've been sending their lunches from day 1. Only, in my case, I'm just determined that my children have natural foods available to them, and I'd be okay with them sampling the odd carbonated orange, if they wanted to see if they liked it.

You know, sometimes we buy oranges and find they're rather sour and not so tasty -- maybe next time that happens, we can try adding carbonation, rather than me and dh being the only ones willing to eat oranges that week.
carbonated oranges!!!!

nect thing you know they are gonna start making carrot hybrid that are part carrot part ranch dressing just so more kids will eat them! They will most likely be called carranchots.

carbonated water is terrible for people, especially devoloping children. It limits the very process in their body that helps them to grow and have the needed energy to tackle thier day. Especially a full, mentally and physically tasking school day. I think overuse (or any use) or carbonation is partly to blame for many problems we are seeing in children, teens, and adults today. If people are curious about it specificly I urge anyone to do some reading about carbonated substances.

I practically lived on pepsi and diet pepsi when I was a kid. I don't blame my mom by any means... she simply didn't know how and and why it was terrible for my brother and I as well as herself. When I read about it (on a purely scientific level with no personal opinion mixed in) I simply could not drink it any longer nor ever let my child have it. If they choose to drink it when they are adults so be it, it's not like it's the worst thing they could be doing by any means but, I prefer to keep it away!

I love oranges but, I do have to say that the school oranges sometimes are picked and served before they are ripe and taste pithy and like dirt... so I can see why kids were complaining and why they thought putting carbonation in them would help kids not to be so wasteful of food that had already been purchased and served.

Furthermore I think you made a great point about sending lunches with your children. As far as I know all schools allow and encourage parents to do that. If we don't give others the opportunity or task of feeding our children we don't have to worry so much about what they may be eating when we aren't there.
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