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When does religious upbringing cross over to abuse?

post #1 of 182
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My youngest brother (DB) still at home, who is 14, confessed out of guilt to his church leader that he had masturbated on a few occassions. My DB immediately stopped masturbating and began to go through the church's repentance process.

DB cannot participate in some of the church activities that other "worthy" boys his age can, which makes him stick out like a sore thumb at church. He has to meet with the church leader once a week to discuss his urges and his progress. He is expected to be completley open and forthright about whats going on in is sex life.

Every morning on the way to school my DB gets a lecture from my father, checking in, asking him if he had the urge to masturbate, and telling him how disappointed in him he is. My father has never masturbated once in is entire life and reminds him this constantly. DB has been grounded from the phone, the internet, and from any activity where girls might be present, for 4 months now. My parents have forbid him to sit with girls at lunch. (There's one girl in particular who was kinda his "girlfriend" before all this.)

DB is miserable. He feels his parents don't love him. He hates going to church. He hates talking to the church leader. My parents force him to do these things anyway. He also doesn't agree with the rules/doctrine of the church, and hasn't for 2 years. But he wouldn't dare tell this to anyone but me, who left the church several years ago.

MY BOTTOM LINE?? I think this is sexual abuse, sexual harassment in the very least.

No child should be repeatedly asked private sexual questions and be admonished about them, whether it's alone with a man in a church office, or in a car with dad on the way to school.

What do you think? This has all come to my attention just today. I'm heartbroken and struggling to decide how to be there for my brother. I'm also very, very angry.
post #2 of 182
That's horrible. What he does with his body is his business and no one else's. The poor guy is going to get such an unhealthy view of his body and his sexuality. WTH kind of church is this anyways!
post #3 of 182
I agree.

Personally I think some clergymen get their jollies by listening to the sexual confessions of younger people.

And I can pretty much guess what religion you are (or your brother is). But I guess that doesn't much matter. It's abuse, regardless of which specific religion it is.
post #4 of 182
My heart is breaking for your brother. I have to say that I agree with you that this is abusive. I don't think that there is much you can do but be there for your brother. I am sure that having you to validate his feelings does help him. At least he has you.

Since you say that he doesnt believe in the doctrines of the church but is forced to practice by your parents, this is one situation where I would actually advocate that he not be completely honest. It truly is none of their business and if he is powerless in this situation and has to get through to adulthood with some dignity intact, I think it is ok for him to lie and say he doesn't do it anymore.
post #5 of 182
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I think this is sexual abuse, sexual harassment in the very least.
I agree, it's just so invasive and intrusive. And I really wonder about the motives of an adult who needs THAT much information about a young boy's personal sexuality.
post #6 of 182
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Originally Posted by jorismom View Post
My heart is breaking for your brother. I have to say that I agree with you that this is abusive. I don't think that there is much you can do but be there for your brother. I am sure that having you to validate his feelings does help him. At least he has you.

Since you say that he doesnt believe in the doctrines of the church but is forced to practice by your parents, this is one situation where I would actually advocate that he not be completely honest. It truly is none of their business and if he is powerless in this situation and has to get through to adulthood with some dignity intact, I think it is ok for him to lie and say he doesn't do it anymore.
I totally agree with this. Tell them what they want to hear until he can get the hell out. Because he's doing absolutely nothing wrong.
post #7 of 182
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Personally I think some clergymen get their jollies by listening to the sexual confessions of younger people.
Yuck, yuck, yuck. The catholic priest that married my parents is now a convicted pedophile. I can't ever think of an instance where this kind of talk would be even remotely appropriate.

Is there anyway, OP, that you can help liberate your brother from this church, and your parents if needed? Give him a place to stay during the fall out? Have you talked to him?

If this were my sibling I would give him the opportunity to stop going if he is that against it, offer my couch when my parents went berserk (because I can't imagine they will be pleased with him refusing to go, no?), and basically support him while trying to get away from this. I think it's important that he not be in that situation any longer.
post #8 of 182
That is digusting. Hopefully your DB will grow up and realize that masterbating is NORMAL and a HEALTHY thing to do! ::

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post #9 of 182
You must be pulling my leg! Sounds like something out of the dark ages.

I'll bet your dad is lying about it, why shouldn't your brother?!

It's a weird world out there, alright !
post #10 of 182
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Originally Posted by jorismom View Post
My heart is breaking for your brother. I have to say that I agree with you that this is abusive. I don't think that there is much you can do but be there for your brother. I am sure that having you to validate his feelings does help him. At least he has you.

Since you say that he doesnt believe in the doctrines of the church but is forced to practice by your parents, this is one situation where I would actually advocate that he not be completely honest. It truly is none of their business and if he is powerless in this situation and has to get through to adulthood with some dignity intact, I think it is ok for him to lie and say he doesn't do it anymore.
: I dont like lying but in this case they are invaiding his privacy in the worst way. What he does alone is between him and God and no one elses bussiness. :

I was taught it was wrong to masterbate and I still have trouble with sex and body image because of it though I wasnt forced to talk about it. I still got the message loud and clear.
post #11 of 182
Oh, how sad. That is MEAN and I would definitely say sexual harassment.
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Oh, how sad. That is MEAN and I would definitely say sexual harassment.
Oh, absolutely. I think this does cross the line of mental abuse. I'm so sad for your brother.
post #13 of 182
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Every morning on the way to school my DB gets a lecture from my father, checking in, asking him if he had the urge to masturbate, and telling him how disappointed in him he is. My father has never masturbated once in is entire life ...
My only thought on this was "ye-eah right"

This whole situation is totally messed up. You've got a kid who's "good" enough to come confess something like that and work with the church leader and he's treated like that? You know what the other boys are doing? Masturbating and keeping their mouths shut.
post #14 of 182
IMO this has definitely crossed into abuse. Its so sad that people are taught that such a natural thing is dirty and against god. This could effect him well into his adult life.

It makes me really sad to hear this, I can't imagine what you brother must be feeling. For goodness sakes, he's 14!! This is the time when he should be exploring his own body!!!!
post #15 of 182
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Originally Posted by jorismom View Post
Since you say that he doesnt believe in the doctrines of the church but is forced to practice by your parents, this is one situation where I would actually advocate that he not be completely honest. It truly is none of their business and if he is powerless in this situation and has to get through to adulthood with some dignity intact, I think it is ok for him to lie and say he doesn't do it anymore.
I thought they were doing this BS even though he'd already said he stopped?
post #16 of 182
Definitely crosses into abuse IMO.

They are doing a very good job ensuring that he will flee as far as he can from their religion once he's a free adult too.

I agree that this is a time when lying in self-defense is appropriate.
post #17 of 182
I also belonged to a church that said that masturbation is wrong. They didn't take it to this extreme, but we had accountability partners and went to Silver Ring Thing. I no longer belong to that church. It's not unheard of, though. It seems to me to be a common message in a lot of churches now. And this was a presbyterian church, not a cult.
post #18 of 182
I agree. Normally I'm not big into lying, but since those in charge of his life are being wholly unreasonable (and totally perverted!), he's got to defend himself and save his sanity and self-worth! And by defend himself, I mean to lie about it. It's none of their business. And it's beyond grossly inappropriate to think about these older men dwelling so much on a young boy's sexuality. Something is very wrong there.
post #19 of 182
I'm pissed. I can't imagine how you feel!

Slip your brother a copy of A Scandalous Freedom by Steve Brown.

Offer to read it with him. He should probably hide it from the parents though.

Regardless of where you stand in your beliefs, remind him that the Bible says the kindness of God leads us to repentance (if he really believes masterbation is a sin). AND that there is no condemnation for those in Christ. Everyone condemning your brother is basically calling God a liar.
post #20 of 182
Jeez...I just can't stop thinking about that recent study that said that men who mastrubate 5 times a week have lower incidences of colon cancer...it was all over the news a few weeks ago...
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