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post #41 of 45
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Originally Posted by NYCVeg View Post
I don't think greedy doctors are consciously out to make kids sick to line their own pockets. I think they are indoctrinated in a medico-pharmacological culture that values intervention and conformity to "standard practice."
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IME, non-evidence-based practices are most often the result of ignorance and sticking to "the way we've always done things." In this particular instance, I think the sign is almost certainly the result of formula companies' incredibly successful campaign that formula is "just fine" and infant feeding methods are a personal choice, rather than a deliberate attempt to produce sicker patients.
post #42 of 45
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Originally Posted by SunnieP View Post
I don't pretend to know your dad, whom I'm sure is as saintly as you say. If I meant all doctors were all money grubbers I would have articulated such. There is, however a conflict of interest in that the sicker you are the more they stand to make and that cannot be disputed. Agan, it was just a thought as to why a supposed healer of babies would post a sign, if a cardiologist gave me free big macks, I may question his integrity as well.
I don't think my dad is saintly. I think he is subject to the same influences and education as virtually all doctors in the US--which is to say, he tends to go to pharmacological options first, he knows absolutely nothing about nutrition and its relationship to health, and he knows little about (and is generally skeptical of) alternative, non-interventive treatments. On the hand, I know that his heart is in the right place--that he genuinely believes he is helping people and that, in many cases, he actually does.

I don't think pediatricians need to keep kids sick. Most ped practices in my area are full to bursting. Getting an appointment with a specialist can take weeks. The vax schedule ensures plenty of visits and the culture of dependence on doctors/intervention means that many parents will call up when their child has any little sniffle or rash (I know people like this). If peds were so hell-bent on doing things that make kids sick to improve their own revenue, why would they so regularly kick out people who don't vaccinate--since they believe that these children are more likely to get sick (since vaxes work so well) and possibly make other children sick, wouldn't it be in their best interest, in your formulation, to keep them around?

Pediatricians get vritually no education on breastfeeding--a few hours in med school, at best, most of which focuses on the composition of breastmilk. OTOH, they are sytematically indoctrinated by formula companies. Do you really believe the OP's ped is sitting around saying, "Ooh--Similac gave us all this formula! Let's advertise free cans, so that we can undermine breastfeeding relationships and get babies sicker!" Formula is what they KNOW. The doc probably think he's doing the parents in his practice--many (most?) of whom--probably ff, a favor. I agree that it's wrong, that it should be brought to his attention. But I think it's both naive and offensive to suggest that pediatricians are actually out to harm kids so that they can take nice vacations. They're indoctrinated. They're subject to peer pressure. Breaking from the conventional wisdom requires a complete paradigm shift that calls into question their whole profession. It's not as easy to make that leap as you'd like to think.
post #43 of 45
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Originally Posted by NYCVeg View Post

Pediatricians get vritually no education on breastfeeding--a few hours in med school, at best, most of which focuses on the composition of breastmilk. OTOH, they are sytematically indoctrinated by formula companies. Do you really believe the OP's ped is sitting around saying, "Ooh--Similac gave us all this formula! Let's advertise free cans, so that we can undermine breastfeeding relationships and get babies sicker!" Formula is what they KNOW. The doc probably think he's doing the parents in his practice--many (most?) of whom--probably ff, a favor. I agree that it's wrong, that it should be brought to his attention. But I think it's both naive and offensive to suggest that pediatricians are actually out to harm kids so that they can take nice vacations. They're indoctrinated. They're subject to peer pressure. Breaking from the conventional wisdom requires a complete paradigm shift that calls into question their whole profession. It's not as easy to make that leap as you'd like to think.
Yes, but is this a valid excuse??? I mean come on, they are educated people. Surely they would have put two and two together. "Hmmm...breastmilk is better for my patients, maybe I should do some research on this." Saying that formula is all they know is hardly an excuse for not understanding a NORMAL human process like breastfeeding. I see that you said you agree it is wrong and I am not attacking your post/ you at all. I am just expressing my frustration about the state of some of these offices. :
post #44 of 45
In Canada, Peds ARE specialists. You have to be refered to one, which means, you need specialized attention. I thought it was the same in the states. Sorry.

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I am NOT trying to stir the pot, but where did you see that this was in a specialists office? My understanding is that it is in her normal pediatrician's office. That's not that special to me
post #45 of 45
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Originally Posted by SunnieP View Post
My BF'd baby is not taking my ped's wife on any lavish vacations, but all the illnesses assoc. with FF will
I know you probably weren't trying to cause trouble, but my 2 exclusively BF babies paid a few weeks wages for more than one ped. Through no fault of our own, my boys were both 5 weeks early, and the first was small, even on a breast fed growth chart. At almost 4, he is still in the 3rd percentile. He is healthy, and doesn't need to go to a ped anymore, but the doctors (some of them, some were morons and we didn't go back) deserved what they were paid.

This is not to say that I don't agree with part of what you said, in some cases, I do think that doctors encourage uneccesary visits, so they can get more money. (And, your cardiologist, big mac comment made me laugh. Good one!) But not all. I wish that my doctor was a previous posters Dad. Where can we find more like him?
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