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post #41 of 73
oh, you Americans with your cheap meat and pet foods! I've been following this thread for tips, but man, doesn't work here in Canuckland. I pay $55 for a 15 kg bag (40 lb) of Canidae at the feed store - which IS the best kibble for the best price that I can get. No way raw is EVER going to get cheaper, unless I suddenly get a butcher as a good friend - right now, I pay more for the dog's bones than I do for my own meat (because they are heavy).

If got to be in a real money crunch, I wouldn't feel bad in the least to get a lower quality food for my animals for a short period of time, you gotta do what you gotta do to survive right?
post #42 of 73
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Originally Posted by skyastara View Post
Really? I get Canidae for just a couple of dollars more than that for the same size bag.

I don't think that your mom is correct, by the way. Have you tried stopping in a pet store and looking? I don't think that places like Petco or what have you carry very much good food, but small neighborhood pet stores are the way to go. Also, feed stores often carry some good foods. Around here, I can get Canidae, Solid Gold and some others at the feed store.
Petco now carries Solid Gold and Natural Balance and a couple other decent foods whose names escape me at the moment. They began selling them just after the food recall crisis
post #43 of 73
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Originally Posted by karne View Post
This is probably not helpful, but when we went to a lower quality food one time we really noticed the difference. Skin and coat was affected, but the worst was the behavior. I swear our dog was more hyper-not aggressive-but noticably different. They use less, but use it more efficiently when they eat better.
This is actually very common. The fillers they use for the cheap kibbles are known to cause hyperactivity in dogs.
post #44 of 73
Lower quality kibble = feeding more, which results is MORE waste! So be prepared to pick up MORE waste then if you were feeding a premium kibble.

And like others suggested you may notice a difference in skin, coat and behavior.

My neighbor thought he "scored a great deal" on some cheap walmart food and next thing he knew his dog was just about bald!

Before I knew any better I used to feed my dog "grocery store" food and my dog was allergic to it (I had no idea) took her to the vet on SEVERAL occaisions because she licked herself raw and I can tell you it would have been much cheaper to invest in higher quality food if I had known (the vet never once suggested it may be a food allergy....he always just wanted to prescribe topical ointments and give her shots of cortizone)...needless to say I no longer frequent that vet!
post #45 of 73
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Originally Posted by thekimballs View Post
Are you actually in Tucson? I can show you prob. 15 better foods in the area.

Pet peeve: purebred. registered if you like. AKC is fine. Not full blood, pure blood, pure breed, etc.

sorry short and mean answer; baby is on lap
sure i KNOW there are plenty of other expensive foods out there.

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Originally Posted by SevenVeils View Post
Really? I get Canidae for just a couple of dollars more than that for the same size bag.

I don't think that your mom is correct, by the way. Have you tried stopping in a pet store and looking? I don't think that places like Petco or what have you carry very much good food, but small neighborhood pet stores are the way to go. Also, feed stores often carry some good foods. Around here, I can get Canidae, Solid Gold and some others at the feed store.

i don't actually PAY $13 a bag except on rare occasion (i think 2 bags out of the 18 months i've had my dog). so really a few dollars more $15 ($17?) equals a $5 per bag jump for ME personally.

i am going to see what the canidea runs here though. i've NEVER heard of it and obviously isn't in the reg. stores i frequent. i haven't checked out many other places b/c (unfortuneatly) alot of the stores/feed stores that i thought would carry it were on the opposite side of town. also i have to find out whether its worth driving more to buy a more expensive bag.
post #46 of 73
yeah, the only places I can get Canidae is if I go way out of my way to parts of town I never go to for any reason (mostly ag/industrial areas. nothing bad about those parts of town, just not a place to go unless you have some sort of reason or its on your way somewhere) so it would be a gallon of gass for me to go pick up the food.

PetCo also gives you every 12th bag free (of whatever you usually buy) but their prices are so much higher (comparing the exact same products) that you more than pay for that 12th bag.

i would go with raw and scraps as much as you can. I always mix a little kibble in to balance things out. Our 35 pound bag of dog food has so far lasted us 2 full months and we still have 1/2 to 1/3 of the bag left. Lucy is not a big eater though and only eats about 1/4 - 1/3 what the bag recommends. but she hates the band we give her. She likes pedigree. of course. junk food addict. but it makes her fart like a crazy stinky dog and it isn't that good for her . . . sooooo. . ...
post #47 of 73
i don't think raw would be good for us. however the dog seems to have adjusted a *WEE* bit to the cooked stuff. i give him some fats, meats, bones etc and he just goes diahreah happy...or sad! but i gave him a pork bone and it was super soft and he hasn't had a problem yet! maybe cause its cooked but i think mostly its cause hes a city dog and doesn't get the same amount of exercise as a country dog does. i have NO clue where people get the cheap "extra" meats though! i don't know if there are butchers that are open to the public and wouldn't have a CLUE where to start.
post #48 of 73
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Originally Posted by AddysMama View Post
we pay $20 for a bag of Kirklands super permium chicken rice and vegetable adult dog food. it lasts us about a month and a half for one large lab mix. she gets 3.5 cups a day.
We feed the Kirkland (Diamond Naturals generic, really) Lamb and Rice, and I love it... but 3.5 cups a day seems like a lot of food.... unless you're dog is really big! Our 40 pound border collie gets 1.5 to 2 cups a day, and she's pretty active. Our old lab used to get the same - he was about 75 pounds but a senior citizen, so he didn't burn a lot of calories.

And yeah, $20 for 40 pounds, with the top ingredients being lamb and lamb meal, and lots of veggies, and no corn... (my dog had lots of tummy issues, and we've found that she does better with lamb and no corn).

dar
post #49 of 73
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Originally Posted by Dar View Post
And yeah, $20 for 40 pounds, with the top ingredients being lamb and lamb meal, and lots of veggies, and no corn... (my dog had lots of tummy issues, and we've found that she does better with lamb and no corn).

dar
I'm okay with paying an extra 8 bucks for Canidae for that size bag. That's less than $2 extra per week
post #50 of 73
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Originally Posted by SevenVeils
I looked today, and I was wrong. At my local shop, Canidae Lamb and Rice is $33 for a 40 lb bag, which in my experience goes further than supermarket brands.
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I'm okay with paying an extra 8 bucks for Canidae for that size bag. That's less than $2 extra per week
So that's an extra $13 a bag, or 65% higher... not small change for use, anyway.

My dogs have always been healthy and happy on Kirkland, which is what really matters. If your dog does well on the Canidae, orf course, then I can see why you wouldn't want to switch.

And I forgot to mention this earlier, but the Kirkland food has glucosamine and chondroitin... we did give our older dog supplements of both, but for Nana I think the small dose she gets in her food is enough to keep her joints and cartilage in good shape ... she's about 8 now but hasn't slowed down a bit!

Dar
post #51 of 73
I know lots and lots of dogs on Diamond. It's a very popular Dane food (cause it's so cheap). That means I've seen littermates and relatives, very closely related dogs, fed Diamond, fed a super premium, and fed raw. There is NO comparison. Skin, coat, teeth, muscle tone--no comparison.
post #52 of 73
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Originally Posted by thekimballs View Post
I know lots and lots of dogs on Diamond. It's a very popular Dane food (cause it's so cheap). That means I've seen littermates and relatives, very closely related dogs, fed Diamond, fed a super premium, and fed raw. There is NO comparison. Skin, coat, teeth, muscle tone--no comparison.
sorry the chlorine must have fried my brain: are you saying that you DON'T notice a difference between the different foods or that RAW is "no comparison" cause its BETTER?? sorry! i just want to understand!

and kirklands is costco right???
post #53 of 73
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Originally Posted by Dar View Post
So that's an extra $13 a bag, or 65% higher... not small change for use, anyway.
It isn't small change for me either, by any means.

But that 40 lb bag lasts my dog about 5 weeks + 2 days. So it's still less than $3 extra per week to give him a much higher quality food. I'm perfectly happy to spend that on him, I feel that it is important.

And that's assuming that he wouldn't eat more of a lesser quality food. I think that he most likely would, based upon past experiences, and that brings the price difference down as well.

So, either way, a couple extra bucks each week? Fine by me.
post #54 of 73
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Originally Posted by dhinderliter View Post
sorry the chlorine must have fried my brain: are you saying that you DON'T notice a difference between the different foods or that RAW is "no comparison" cause its BETTER?? sorry! i just want to understand!

and kirklands is costco right???
Diamond makes the following:

Diamond
Premium Edge
Kirkland
Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul

And I think one or two others, but those are the four that most people are going to encounter.

I mean that everybody I know who feeds Diamond says "This is such a great food! My dogs look fabulous!" and then you actually see their dogs and you're like "Meh." The coat isn't as good, the skin isn't as good, the muscle tone is kind of crappy, teeth are dirty. It's not like seeing a dog on Beneful or Ol Roy--the dog usually does have some shine on the coat and so on--but does it give the look that a dog on a super premium food gets? No. Does it give anything *close* to the look or feel that a dog on raw gets? Absolutely not.
post #55 of 73
We've been feeding Solid Gold for a year or so, and are feeding a bag of Taste of the Wild right now, just to change up for a bit. Do people have opinions on those brands? Since we're already paying premium prices, we could go to Candidae, if that's better food.

Raw isn't going to happen.
post #56 of 73
What about Maxximum? Is that okay?
post #57 of 73
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Originally Posted by thekimballs View Post
I mean that everybody I know who feeds Diamond says "This is such a great food! My dogs look fabulous!" and then you actually see their dogs and you're like "Meh." The coat isn't as good, the skin isn't as good, the muscle tone is kind of crappy, teeth are dirty. It's not like seeing a dog on Beneful or Ol Roy--the dog usually does have some shine on the coat and so on--but does it give the look that a dog on a super premium food gets? No. Does it give anything *close* to the look or feel that a dog on raw gets? Absolutely not.
I had my dogs on Solid Gold for a while, and also on California Naturals, and I think both are generally considered super-premium... and honestly, I didn't see a difference. Well, my old dog was having tummy issues on California Naturals, so we didn't use that for very long, but other than that it just felt like I was paying twice as much and not getting any result from it. The ingredient list was very similar, the calorie count per cup was very similar so it wasn't like we could feed less.

I have an 8 year old dog was perfect teeth (according to her vet - and they look great to me) who gets compliments on her looks everywhere we go, has boundless energy, and is in overall good health. That's pretty much all I ask of a food. I suppose I feel like I feed my dog to the same level as I feed the people in our house...

Dar
post #58 of 73
I would love to feed premium quality foods, but in reality, it's a huge difference in price. I feel guilty about it-I agonize about it often! But if it helps cut the budget, allowing me to spend more time with my kiddos (and animals!) and also freeing up some money to do fun camping trips, then so be it. I'm not opposed to buying store brand tomato paste or black beans.

Our local mill just started carrying Innova. It's $50 for 33 lb. I just can't justify that.
post #59 of 73
Since the last several posts were approximately the same:

It is absolutely fine to switch between the best kibbles to see what works best for you. I would say the "best" are the realm of Innova, Solid Gold, Canidae, Back to Basics, Timberwolf, Fromm, Wellness, EVO, CORE, stuff like that. It's very common to tweak it until you get the right combination.

I would recommend AGAINST using a lamb and rice unless the dog has chicken or beef allergies. Lamb and rice kibbles tend to be lower-quality, believe it or not. So try the normal formulas first.

Raw is ALWAYS best, and often substantially cheaper (see the first few posts in this thread). So ALWAYS go raw, or use as much raw as possible, if you can.

Poor-quality kibble is not the same as store brand. Generic tomato paste is still tomato paste, just with a boring label. Poor-quality kibble has substantially different ingredients and actually does impact health, not just aesthetics.
post #60 of 73
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Poor-quality kibble is not the same as store brand. Generic tomato paste is still tomato paste, just with a boring label. Poor-quality kibble has substantially different ingredients and actually does impact health, not just aesthetics.
I was just going to post the same thing. You cannot compare store brand generic to poor-quality pet food.

Something to consider- a premium quality food WILL lower your vet bills. Dogs and cats that are fed poor quality food have more preventable health problems- skin issues, allergies, GI issues, and musculo-skeletal issues especially. So while a better quality food is going to cost a few bucks more per pound, you have to also consider exam fees, bloodwork costs, and prescriptions that result from a poor-quality diet.
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