Restoration? - Page 2

[Christy1980]

hello

I'm new here, and I tried posting a LONG reply to this subject, and somehow it didn't go where it was supposed to go....

i am not a mother yet, I am not married yet, but I have decided NOT to CIRC my sons when i have them!! It is a subject that gets debated alot in my family. I seem to be the only anti-circ member of my family. Same with my friends. They always bring up the "hygene" crap, and i just wanna slap them sometimes!!!

Anyway, I have been with my boyfriend, (bf, i guess) for a little over a year. When we got together, he was about 25% restored. Now he is about 50% restored. And the sex gets better as that percentage rises!!

my tips for encouragement of your bf or dh if he chooses to restore or is thinking about it:

1. Don't question him--it's safe and a healthy, inexpensive way to "re-grow" penile tissue and foreskin. And yes, his penis will get bigger as the foreskin grows. In fact, that will probably be one of the first noticeable changes besides looser skin and skin mobility. For a while, he might think he will never get anywhere with his foreskin because his penis keeps getting bigger.

2. Notice the little changes--his glans will change shape and color. It will change from a dry, skin-tone "bullet" to a moist, pink-dark pink "ski slope." Noticing changes like this will let dh or bf know that you are paying attention and are interested in what he's doing.

3. Enjoy his progress!!--Play with it more, (if you are helping him"manually stretch" his foreskin, how can he say no to retoring? ). Sex will get better for both of you and he will enjoy the benefits of a foreskin, not only sexually, but bf says he feels more masculine, proud, and confident in himself in his day-to-day activities. Really, if your man wants to do something to boost his confidence and give him a good self-image, this would be it!

If anyone has any ?'s, please let me know, I will be happy to help!

[Frankly Speaking]

Well Said!

Christy, you are wise well beyond your years!

It's a shame that a man just begining his sexual life is having to go through this.


The most heart wrenching story I have seen is a guy that was on "Foreskin Restoration/3" that was told by a doctor that he needed a circumcision because of phymosis. Phymosis is easily "curable" with stretching exercises that rarely take more than two months. He consented to the circumcision and then did his research because he was so unhappy with the result. His restoration started 19 days after the circumcision!


Frankly Speaking

[rubylark]

Rock On, Christy!

Thanks for sharing that info! Congrats to you boyfriend for his progress w/ restoration, and congrats to both of you for knowing the benefits of leaving your children intact!

[oceansmama]

How do you do it though? I can't go out and buy a 100 dollar book, so if you have the way I would like to know Thanks
Maize

[Sarah]

Maize- There is a lot of info online. You might start your seach at http://www.norm.org that's the National Orginization of Restoring Men. There website covers the basics of what restoration is and why men do it. They also have local chapters of support groups. They have links off that site to some other info sites. there are many different techniques that rely on tension, weights, taping and manual stretching. Different methods work for different people or situations. Results vary from person to person- but it is usually a pretty long commitment- but once done- the results are premanent... when something "stretches" it will "snap back" when tension is released... but with the human body- the prolonged stretching encourages growth... when new skin cells grow- they don't go away. So they are not really stretching their skin- they are growin new skin.

Another website that I think is very informative because it deals with physical AND emotional issues- is this one:
http://www.wicked-envy.com/start.htm

Many men have published their diaries detailing how and why they restored and often they include photos of their progress.

Hope that helps
Love Sarah

[Frankly Speaking]

Restoration Group

Here's the largest of all of the restoration sites with over 2,000 members and thousands of postings. These guys will be more than happy to help.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/foreskinrestoration3/

Depending on the method you use, the cost for all of the supplies you use can be less than $100. That's a lot less than what the procedure cost that makes restoration necessary.

Some men have claimed full restoration was accomplished in as little as 9 months but that is extremely unusual. the average seems to be about three years and one guy has been at it more than 8 years.

The results can be very gratifying!



Frankly Speaking

[Christy1980]

And now I would like to embarass Frank, :wink

I love being part of this community!! And you are so helpful with everything!! I think it is a wonderful thing that you are doing with NOCIRC and all the men and babies that you are helping.

I think it's cool that you restore and are so candid with that info. I started learning in-depth about RIC from my current bf who is also a restorer. I had already made the decision before I met him that my kids wouldn't be circ'd, not just because of the human rights issue, but also because my exhusband,(i got married at 19 for the wrong reasons...big mistake!), had a serious complication in his "RIC" that left him with horrible suture scars and very small size. He refused to talk about it, and when the subject was brought up, he would get mad at me, but said that he would still circ his sons, in spite of his situation. I still (after 4 years of being with him and being married to him for a year), don't know what happened and at what age to cause such trauma to him. I couldn't believe after what he went through, he would put his own child through it, but his attitude was, "It happened to me, so it's normal." I am SOOOO glad I LEFT him!!!!!

So now I am with a wonderful man who I hope to marry and he restores!! His parents kinda always said his circ was "too loose," but when he hit puberty, it was "too tight." He started ?ing his mom, (a nurse), when he was 16-17 about what it was and why she did that to him. She apologized to him and told him that if she had been through nursing school before my bf and his brother were born, she would've never had them circ'd. So off he went to find out how to fix this great mistake that was made...and he was fortunate enough to find men like you who are open and honest about restoration.

So thank you Frank for all the excellent work you are doing!!!

[Enigma]

i'm missing something here. I've had sex with men cut and uncut and none of them ever thought they were getting substandard sex as a result of their circumcision. Isn't it possible that this author is just looking for a way to sell books and that this is a pseudo issue?

[Sarah]

Your first presumption is that every man who is restoring would be doing so specifically because he was dissatisfied with his sex life.

This is not true.

Your next presumption is that just because you have never known a man who actually was dissatisfied with his sexual experience, that they don't exist.

They do exist.

Your third presumption is that an author could capitilize on decieving a large group of men who were otherwise perfectly happy with having a part of their sexual anatomy missing and making an issue where none exists.

That would be quite a feat!

[Enigma]

You're presuming that you know how to read my mind. You presume too much, grasshopper. I thought perhaps there were open minds here. In that respect, I presumed too much indeed.

[Sarah]

I've got an open mind... so state your case.

Love Sarah

[Frankly Speaking]

Enigma:

Let me answer last first and first last.

Jim Bigelow wrote the book before the internet when few men had any idea that there was even an issue. Jim couldn't find a publisher who would even publish it for him for several years until Hourglass publishing showed up. Hourglass never thought it would be profitable but thought the issue was an important one. They agreed to publish the book in a small run that if it sold out would let them break even or maybe make a little money. If the book didn't sell, everybody would lose money. After a slow start and finally word of mouth kicked in the book finally sold out and a second edition was published. The book is a large book with many photographs and quality materials in a "perfect bind." At a street price of $19.95, it's a bargain. What has happened is that the second edition has sold out and now it's a sellers market with one seller on E-Bay asking $119.00 for a used copy. At the time I started my restoration, I wouldn't even pay the $19.95 price. However, because of some work I'm doing with Marilyn Milos at NOCIRC, she sent me a copy free of charge. Knowing what I know now, I would pay 10 times the $119.00 price. Jim Bigelow and Hourglass Publishing make little money on the book.

Now for the other part of your post. A circumcised man has no more idea of what sex for an intact man feels like than you know what sex feels like for a man. An intact man is visa versa. A man at Fathering magazine's forum that is intact was doing a little experimenting and thought he had come up with an idea for a "kinder, gentler" method of circumcising. He really had no idea of what damage circumcision does and how it affects a man's sexuality. I had to do some explaining of the reality of the damage. This is what I wrote to him in part:




"There are some things that you don´t seem to be aware of as it applies to us guys that were done as a baby.

First, when the Gomco or Plastibell is put on the penis, it cuts off the frenular artery that supplies the blood flow to the frenulum. With the blood supply gone, the nerve that supplies the signal to the brain dies and is absorbed by the body. The end result is that the frenulum is no more sensitive that the rest of the inner mucosa.

Second, the inner mucosa being exposed for at least 20 years looses it´s sensitivity and is no more sensitive than the shaft skin. The glans, which isn´t an incredibly sensitive organ further looses sensitivity.

The end result is that it takes an incredible amount of stimulation to make the thing work. If it weren´t for massive amounts of testosterone and copious involvement of the primary sex organ (the brain) it would just be a dead stick. The problem is as you get older, the testosterone level starts dropping and the brain isn´t as easily excitable. Problems start cropping up. The signals that would have come from the frenulum, frenar band and inner mucosa just aren´t there. The only thing that is left is the 10-12 second blast of the orgasm and that gets to be not quite enough to adequately reward the brain for the effort expended. The brain begins to loose interest and achieving an erection and having an orgasm becomes more difficult and the brain begins to figure out that it´s not getting an adequate reward for the effort it's putting in and is even less interested in successive times. As it gets more and more difficult, all of a sudden, the conscious man realizes he is having a problem and worry and anxiety sets in further diverting the attention of the brain until eventually the entire system from penis to brain is paralyzed or as it is better known; Impotent!"



You see, a man's sexuality peaks in his late teens or early 20's and it is in a downward spiral for the rest of his life. The intact man starts at the top of the spiral. The circumcised man starts more than half way down the spiral. Guess who gets to the bottom first?

From my own experience with restoring I know without doubt that I had lost 60% of my sexuality to circumcision. The guys that were circumcised as adults typically report 80% to 90% reduction. The guys that were circumcised as adults still have a functioning remnant of their frenulum which leads me to believe that 90%may be a conservative estimate of the loss to infant circumcision. There is really no way for me to know. I have no more idea of what a frenulum feels like than a woman knows what sex for a man feels like. Intact men tell me about an intense sensation when they stretch their frenulum or frenar band and I just can't imagine that sensation.

Women in the Sudan part of Africa that have had extensive genital mutilation report satisfying and rewarding sexual relationships with their husbands. This is after their clitoris has been cut out! They even report having orgasms! How can that be? Men that have had genital mutilation report rewarding and satisfying relationshipswith their wives. This is after their foreskins (the most sensitive part of their organ) has been cut off! They even report having orgasms! How can that be?

Two thirds of the nerves in the foreskin are concentrated in the final third nearest the tip. The part that remains after circumcision doesn't have a lot of nerve endings. the part that is left is supposed to stay damp and be protected. When it is exposed it begins to toughen to cope with the drastically more harsh environment it must deal with. It's lkie your hands. If you do manual labor, the skin will get thicker and tougher. The glans does this. the skin surface thickens by about 5 times it's normal thickness and just like your hands that are calloused, it has a lot less feeling.

I think you will agree, this is not a pseudo issue.



Frankly Speaking

[Christy1980]

making money for "the man"

Who makes more money....the publisher of the book, or Phizer with Viagra?

It seems that peds and urologists are making lots of $$ off of circs.....the peds when they do it, and the urologists treating "the unknown cause" of the man's impotency in his later years.

I know of one case of an intact man getting circ'd as an adult and wanting to commit suicide afterward because his sexual pleasure was non-existant. He contacted some of the guys at yahoo's restoration board and was literally crying out for help. He wanted to die because he gave up his foreskin to "phimosis," a condition where the foreskin is too tight around the glans to retract and can sometimes be painful. This could've easily been cured with simple stretching exercises, instead of a circ. When he found this out, after the circ had been performed, he went to his doctor and demanded to know why he wasn't told of this before his circ, and the doctor said "Circumcision is standard procedure for fixing phimosis." How about that the doctor wouldn't make any money if the patient went home and stretched his skin every day to make it fit over his glans?

As for having open-minds, I think most of the people on this circ board are some of the most open-minded people i've ever had the pleasure of talking to. You'd have to have an open mind to realize that there's something wrong with ritualized medical genital mutilation when the rest of your family and friends think it's normal.

You'd also have to have an open mind as a man, (or as the significant other of a man who is considering it), to take a serious look at restoration. I know at first, I thought it was a crazy idea and that it would never work, but it does. And it is inexpensive. If a man doesn't want to spend the $20 for the book, he can just check it out on the net. He can get detailed instructions and information and pictures FOR FREE! My favorite movie quote from 'American Pie' applies here: "God bless the internet!" Restoring is a alot cheaper than Viagra and visits to the urologist, and it is private and non-invasive. And it works!!

[Christy1980]

3m stock

I saw on cnn or headline news that 3M stock/profits are up three-times more than what they expected at the beginning of the fiscal year.

I wonder if all that extra income is from men restoring their foreskins with 3m's variety of medical tape!!

[Frankly Speaking]

I'm Doing My Part

I know that corporate America's profits are suffering so I did my part and bought a full case of 3M Micropore tape. Has anybody seen 3M's financial report this year?

[Xenogenesis]

Extremely Interesting Thread. Thanks people ...



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[Xenogenesis]

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[mum2corbie]

Thanks for this thread guys. My Dh is seriously looking into restoration after I had this out load thought a few weeks ago. I said that I though restoration might help guys with burried penis gain a little lenght. So he's all for that. Only prob is he cont to think forkins are ugly. He was looking at restoration sites last night and did a little outloud thinking. He said some guys were pointing out that a draw back to restoration was that they "last" less time. I said GOOD. I don't want you to last so long. It takes to long and I end up sore and dry. He said dry is my probleme. I said partially but the the femal cycle can't allow her to be moise all the time. The penis is ment to be an internal organ, so when the woman is dry the guy is not and everything is ok. I said as I age I will be less and less naturally moist and this will issue will only get worse as time goes on. It's so hard not to say out right that sex with an intact man is soo much better. But saying that out right woudl be cruel. I am trying to not say to much, allow him to learn about it at his own pace. The mere idea of gaining lenth is what is driving him to look into it. But he is learning alot about the function of the natural pennis as well. So I think he is really now understandting WHAT a forkin is and why it's better to have one. I also pointed out that the only reason he thinks a forskin is ugley is cuz he's not used to it. We have 2 boys one is almost 4 and circed and the other is 17 mos and intact. I asked if he thought the babies little penis was ugley and he said yea, it's still weird.

Anywho, rather he restores of not, I hope he at least learnes from this that circ is wrong and that the natural penis is not ugley but beautiful as is the intire natural human body.

[ja mama]

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[Frankly Speaking]

RE: "He said dry is my probleme."


But it becomes a problem for him when it becomes too painful for you and he ends up not getting any. That tends to be a real problem for men. You are right that it gets worse as you get older.



Frank