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post #1 of 22
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Ex walked out in August 2003, so it's been almost five years. At the time our kids were 9, 5, and 4 months. The first year he was gone he took the older two kids places maybe four or five times, but never the youngest. He visited here often though - I pretty much had an open-door policy for him to come here. Until recently, the last time he took the kids anywhere (and again, it was only the older two) was October 2005. In 2007 he saw the kids four times altogether (again, here in my house) - in February, in March, Father's Day, then Christmas Day. He's been big on drinking and women since he left here - two DUIs and did 30 days in jail with work release last spring, at least two girlfriends that he lived with - those are the ones I know about.

In that whole time he never came to a band concert, a volleyball game, a school open house, a church play, a band competition, or a football game, even though I made sure to scan and email him the schedules I received.

Fast forward to last August when I told him that I was filing for divorce. It was purely for morality reasons on my part - after four years apart I had finally agreed to go on my first date in May, and by August I knew I was in love with him and wanted to spend the rest of my life with him. But my own morals had a hard time with being legally married to one man while totally in love with someone else. So I filed in September and we started battling - he finally signed the papers in December, and our divorce was finalized February 7th of this year. Our divorce agreement gave me primary physical and legal custody and him "reasonable visitation". He willingly signed off on that.

In January he informed me that he was moving in with someone - someone the kids had never even heard of. My oldest had a hard time with that, because she said that if this woman was important enough to her dad to move in with she would have liked to have at least known she existed. She also didn't like the fact that he was living with her, without getting married. Easy for a fourteen year old to say - I tried to explain that things change as you get older, and that she shouldn't judge her dad, just wish him well and hope he's happy. So in January they come to oldest daughter's band concert (the first one he had ever been to since he left, and he was informed of them all), and in February they come to another. Then in the middle of February he calls to tell me that his girlfriend is pregnant and they are getting married.

So March rolls around and he wants to take the kids to dinner. Fine with me, I can use the break! I meet them at a restaurant (he has no driver's license because of the DUIs), drop kids off, come back later to pick kids up. Next week same deal at bowling alley. Two weeks later another dinner. Then three weeks go by. Suddenly he has his license back and wants to pick kids up. Fine. They go with him a couple more times. Last Thursday night he picks them up, brings them back an hour and a half later, and I find out that he got pulled over for speeding and surprise surprise, he doesn't really have his license back, he was driving on a suspended license. I don't say a word to him about it - just shake my head and fume inside. Saturday he is supposed to pick them up at 9 and bring them back at 3. This was the time he decided on, the longest time he will have ever had them, but I'm comfortable with that because he has been increasingly doing more with them. We make plans for Saturday night, because *he* said he'd be bringing them back at 3. At the last minute he tells me he can't pick them up until noon (according to him he has to work that morning, because after all, he has to pay my bills I cancelled the plans I had for Saturday morning with my sweetheart, but didn't say a word to him about it. He informs me that he'll have them home "by seven" and I tell him that won't work - that we have plans, plans that have been arranged around what he told me he would be doing with the kids. Needless to say, he's pissed off. He wants to know what we're doing. He wants to know where "his" kids will be and with whom. He fusses. He fumes. He threatens to take me to court. And on and on and on. He grudgingly brings them back - 45 minutes late. Yesterday he informs me that he wants to take them on vacation with him (the week school starts, the kids nixed that idea themselves) and he wants them to spend three weeks with him this summer - this is the man who hasn't ever even had them for an overnight. Sigh....

So how do you handle it when you've been single parenting with little to no contact with the other parent for almost five years, and suddenly he decided that he "has rights" and wants to play Super-Dad? And do I just keep going on the way I am or call his bluff and tell him to take me to court? He wants to start taking them overnight, which I'm not thrilled with, but I can handle - but three weeks this summer when he's never even kept them for more than three hours seems ridiculous to me. Am I just being overprotective? Selfish?

I'm considering calling him later today and telling him that he can have them overnight Friday, then going on to tell him what a huge favor it will be because my sweetheart and I are celebrating our anniversary and have a very special night planned - I figure that will put him over the edge and he'll refuse, just to spite me. kekekekeke

Any advice would be greatly welcome - I'm just having a hard time feeling like I'm supposed to tell him where the kids will be when they're with me, when I've been parenting alone for five years without him ever caring before....
post #2 of 22

Sorry I don't have any advice- I'm too new to this single mom thing.
post #3 of 22
Wow, that sounds crazy. Maybe the new wife wants them involved with their lives since she is having a baby?

I honestly don't know what to say. It seems like he had plenty of time to spend with them and you were more than accomodating, as far as driving them because he can't.

Three weeks, no. Overnight a couple times, sure.
post #4 of 22
I don't know. I haven't been faced with the situation and given the situation my ex and I were in, he would NEVER be allowed to be in a room with my dd without my presence as I consider him a kidnapping risk. So, I am not sure what to say.
post #5 of 22
I think you are being wonderfully generous with him considering his past lack of involvement -- he's really getting a second chance to connect with his kids. I think you're wise to be cautious and set limits, though--not only do you need to ease your children back into a real relationship with their dad, you may need to protect them from what might well could be the latest "phase" in this man's life. How will they feel if he disengages again? While the new baby on the way may have prompted his fatherly feelings to reawaken, once that baby is here with all the demands that go with him or her, how awful it could be for your kids to be back-burnered by him again.

Stay strong, Mama! Keep advocating for a gradual increase in time and involvement and don't give in to these sudden, needy demands that seem to have way more to do with his emotions than then welfare of your children. If there's some kind of legal counseling or arbitration available, that may help the two of you redefine "reasonable visitation."

Good luck!
post #6 of 22
I am sorry you are struggling with this. My fears for your children are the same as yours -- that he will become very involved and then dissappear when it doesn't suit him anymore

Are you able to express to him that it should be gradual -- like starting with an overnight stay? I suspect that if you can drag this out - he will be way to pre-occupied when his new babe arrives and not even want the frequent visits he is insisting on now

Does he include the youngest in all of this or just the 2 oldest?

I wish you peace and strength as you go through this :
post #7 of 22
It sounds like he's an alcoholic, and I wouldn't want my children going overnight with someone who drinks and drives and doesn't follow the laws on getting his license back before he drives them around. That means he probably has no insurance, what happens if he crashes and the children get injured.

I think if he took you to court, his DUI's would speak for themselves, and as long as you were taking actions to protect your children you'd be ok.

I think I'd try to make him show you his current license and insurance at the least before letting him drive, although he'd probably just let his girlfriend do the driving.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by pranamama View Post
It sounds like he's an alcoholic, and I wouldn't want my children going overnight with someone who drinks and drives and doesn't follow the laws on getting his license back before he drives them around. That means he probably has no insurance, what happens if he crashes and the children get injured.

I think if he took you to court, his DUI's would speak for themselves, and as long as you were taking actions to protect your children you'd be ok.

I think I'd try to make him show you his current license and insurance at the least before letting him drive, although he'd probably just let his girlfriend do the driving.
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post #9 of 22
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Thanks everyone, and yes, I'm documenting every single thing that happens. And yes, it's all three kids now, not just the older two.

I'm just torn between trying to compromise on some things so that I have some semblance of "control" and taking a gamble with court and the chance that he'll get EOW. I just wish I could *know* how it would turn out if I called his bluff and told him to go for it.

I do have to ask this though - if you have a "reasonable visitation" thing with your ex and he asks for a certain time and you say no, do you tell him why? When I told him that they would still have to be home by 3:00 on Saturday he asked why and I just said "we made plans" and he threw a fit asking where "his kids" would be, and saying that he has every right to know where they will be and what they will be doing all the time. My theory is that the custodial parent shouldn't have to answer about the ins and outs of life in a situation like that, but I'm wondering if maybe I'm being unreasonable.

Like I said, I'm having a hard time going from parenting 100% by myself for almost five years to having to answer to someone else - probably along the same lines as someone who is on their own at age 20 and then moving home and answering to mom and dad at 25.
post #10 of 22
I think the whole thing could go either way. He could be sincerely wanting to connect and that could be a good thing. I wouldn't let them in the car with him, however. There has to be a way online to see if someone has a valid driver's license. I have seen it many times on this site where a dad gets a girlfriend who encourages him to have contact with his former family. Again, this could be a good thing.

I don't think you are being overprotective about the summer visit. I think they should have some overnights with him first and if that goes well, then more time could be spent. To ask them to immediately spend weeks is too much.
post #11 of 22
By having kids with a known partner we do have to answer to the other parent to some extent. Not about every little thing but where the kids are, yes. Look to the positive. If he does get EOW you will not have a say in when they can come home, but on the other side, he will have to deliver them on time or be in contempt.
post #12 of 22
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By having kids with a known partner we do have to answer to the other parent to some extent. Not about every little thing but where the kids are, yes.
So if you tell your ex that you have plans for an evening (and I'm talking about an evening here, not a two week trip out of town) you tell him where you're going, who you're going with, what time you're leaving and when you'll be home? Seriously? No snark intended, I'm honestly wondering if that's how you work it.
post #13 of 22
If my children were still small, yes. I would just say, I am going out, the kids will be at a sitters. If you would like to see them tonight instead of them going to a sitters, we can arrange it. I didn't say he was entitled to know the who, what and where of what I might be doing, but he is entitled to know where and what his children are up to. I would want to know what they are doing at his house. Not in a nosy way, but just to be in the loop.
post #14 of 22
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If my children were still small, yes. I would just say, I am going out, the kids will be at a sitters. If you would like to see them tonight instead of them going to a sitters, we can arrange it. I didn't say he was entitled to know the who, what and where of what I might be doing, but he is entitled to know where and what his children are up to. I would want to know what they are doing at his house. Not in a nosy way, but just to be in the loop.
But see, that's the thing - they weren't going to be at a sitters, they were going to be with me and I told him that. (And I hope your bolding wasn't yelling at me - I am sincerely curious as to how other people handle this situation when they have primary custody and the other parent has reasonable visitation...)
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by pranamama View Post
It sounds like he's an alcoholic, and I wouldn't want my children going overnight with someone who drinks and drives and doesn't follow the laws on getting his license back before he drives them around. That means he probably has no insurance, what happens if he crashes and the children get injured.

I think if he took you to court, his DUI's would speak for themselves, and as long as you were taking actions to protect your children you'd be ok.

I think I'd try to make him show you his current license and insurance at the least before letting him drive, although he'd probably just let his girlfriend do the driving.

I agree with the above. I also agree with the PP who said that its likely that the girlfriend is pushing the increased involvement. I saw this with my friend. The dad had been mostly absent for ELEVEN YEARS! And then he got engaged/married. The new girlfriend wants babies and it seemed that she facilitated all this increasing levels of visiting/sleeping over. Like she needed to make him look like a good dad in her own eyes to justify the fact that she wants to start a family with him. I also know that new babies arriving will often lead to neglect of the older kids from the other marriage. This happened to my poor brother when our much younger half sibs came along. I would try to moderate/slow down the levels of time he is seeing them because if he changes dramatically after the new baby arrives it will REALLY HURT your kids.
post #16 of 22
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The new girlfriend wants babies and it seemed that she facilitated all this increasing levels of visiting/sleeping over. Like she needed to make him look like a good dad in her own eyes to justify the fact that she wants to start a family with him. I also know that new babies arriving will often lead to neglect of the older kids from the other marriage. This happened to my poor brother when our much younger half sibs came along. I would try to moderate/slow down the levels of time he is seeing them because if he changes dramatically after the new baby arrives it will REALLY HURT your kids.
You are so right on both points - I even wonder if maybe she thinks he's been a good father all this time. I'm not at all sure when they got together, but it seems like it happened quickly and he jumped right into Super-Dad mode when she showed up on the scene. I wonder how much she really knows about is past "parenting".
post #17 of 22
Hi, I'm not a single mom, but I have heard of situations where the non-custodial parent will try to ramp up being more involved so they can eventually petition for more custody, in order to not pay as much child support. I would definitely talk to a lawyer ASAP.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by mmace View Post
So if you tell your ex that you have plans for an evening (and I'm talking about an evening here, not a two week trip out of town) you tell him where you're going, who you're going with, what time you're leaving and when you'll be home? Seriously? No snark intended, I'm honestly wondering if that's how you work it.
Mmace, I wasn't yelling when I bolded the sentence in my previous post. I was just emphasizing that I would tell the ex where the children are, not my every move. My every move would not be his business. But he does have a right to know where the kids are. Sorry if the bolds came across as yelling, I always thought Caps were yelling. I thought in the quote above you were asking me, how I would work things.
post #19 of 22
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You are so right on both points - I even wonder if maybe she thinks he's been a good father all this time. I'm not at all sure when they got together, but it seems like it happened quickly and he jumped right into Super-Dad mode when she showed up on the scene. I wonder how much she really knows about is past "parenting".
I'm going through almost the exact same thing with DD's dad right now. I know that my ex's fiancee has said that she is so glad that he is so involved with DD, and I'm not sure if she has no clue and really believes that, or if she is painting things to be rosier than they really are.

Your kids are a little older than mine (well, your youngest is a few months older than my DD) and you live closer, so it's a bit different for you. How do your kids (especially the older ones) feel about their dad wanting to be more involved? Do they particularly trust him at this point? Going off what I've read, and my own personal experience, my gut instinct is that the new girlfriend/wife is causing him to be more interested in his kids...whether it's pressure that she is giving him, or pressure that he feels himself to grow up and become a "family man".

I think I would follow the kids' lead on this one. Let them spend the time with him if they want to, but be ready to be there for them if he bails out on them again. The older two are at an age where they can probably see through his crap...it will most likely be trickier for the youngest.

As far as his right to know where his kids are at all times, no. You don't get to take a four year break from parenting and then suddenly come back and have all of your privileges reinstated. As far as I'm concerned, he needs to earn your trust back. You are the primary custodial parent, you are the one who manages their lives, feeds them, pays the bills, and takes care of all of the responsibility. You don't need to answer to him. "Can you have the kids home at 3:00? We have to be somewhere by 3:30" is all the information he needs. If you want to share more, you can, but you aren't obligated.
post #20 of 22

Driving on revoked license???

I may have read this wrong, so if I did, let me know. But didn't you say that he was driving with a revoked license????

If he doesn't have a license to drive the children with, you have no reason to send the children, until he gets that situation resolved. And you have the full physical and legal right to make that decision.

People make mistakes sometimes, but if he has a DUI, I would not want my children in his vehicle, or under his care, without him going through a program at a mental health center. I would be highly concerned that he would drive drunk with them, and what would happen if he is pulled over, while your children are in the car? Where would they go? Who has rights to make those decisions?

Best of luck. It is a scary situation.
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