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post #1 of 21
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This weekend was time for the children to go to their dads house. At his house, first, he was shouting because he believed I was late. I was exactly on time. I pulled over on the street far from his house and waited until the exact time, then pulled up to his drive exactly on time.

I walked the children to the door, and he showed me he had a letter that was addressed to me. He asked me if I wanted it. I said yes. He proceeded to pass it to me, through the door. I reached out to take it and he slammed the iron door on my hand. I can't tell you how much pain I was in. It was horrible. And my children were on the other side, stunned.

At home they are telling me (no coersion on my part) that he took out his anger he has towards me, on them. He didn't pay cs last month, and I couldn't pay my phone, so I didn't have a phone (I'm not month to month...just buy minutes each month).
So he started screaming at the children that they didn't call, and that they need to make me get a phone. He called me all kinds of horrible names, and my son got upset and cursed at his dad. I really wish he hadn't done this, although it shows me how much he does love me. I don't want him punished because of defending me.
Their dad punished him with pushups for cussing. I told my son to never cuss at anyone. My son was very frustrated about how ex was treating me, and my daughter told me that she couldn't watch while my son was being punished because ex was being so harsh with him. She started crying and told her dad that she wanted to go him right then. On top of it, she arrived with a fever, and ex would not allow me to tell him that she was sick. Apparently she was feeling sick at her stomach by the time bedtime came, and she again asked to call me so I would pick her up. She told him she was sick. He refused to let her call me. (my phone was working on weekends and through out this weekend...but now, until I pay, I don't have a phone again).

I was so worried about my kids because of the hostility that ex showed me at drop off. I called on Saturday to talk to the kids, but ex kept hanging up on me.

I tried again on Sunday, and he finally answered but gave me a tongue lashing first before allowing me to speak to the kids. Finally, put my daughter on the phone, but as usual, kept the phone on speaker phone. I asked dd if the phone ws on speaker phone, and she admitted it was. I asked her if she could take it off. At that moment, ex began yelling at me telling me that I didn't deserve to talk to her at all. Then he promptly ended the conversation with my dd and put my son on the phone. I spoke to him, again with speaker phone on. The kids just can't say anything when the phone is on speaker.

When I was talking to my dd on the phone, she told me she watched Major Payne (movie apparently). She was punished after getting off the phone, for telling me about watching that movie. Why did he punish her? Because she said she watched the movie, when he said she didn't watch the whole thing, so she shouldn't have told me.

She has a fever, she wanted to come home, she also had diarrhea and he had her chewing some seed as a response to her problems.

When she came home, she cried and cried. My son was mostly angry (seems to be the mode he responds to unfortunately). He was shouting that he is in 5th grade, and he is not stupid. Apparently his dad was saying he didn't know much. Their dad showed them the PPP, the child support amount ect.

I am so sad for my kids. They don't deserve this type of treatment. I did call child abuse services two weeks ago, and I haven't heard anything. They told me they would let me know if they were going to proceed.

Also, my daughter was put in my son's room to sleep. In our PPP, she is not to sleep in his room, and he is actually to sleep in his room, since there is an alarm on the door, which is mentioned in the PPP, to be used each night. I'm just coming here to lay my head upon your shoulders. I feel so helpless, and without the money to pay for attorney's fees, I don't know where to turn.
post #2 of 21
I would print out what you just wrote and I would mail it to the CPS...then i would fax a copy...and then I would email a copy. THere is no excuse for this kind of treatment. Your children sound like they are screaming out for help right now...and I would act swiftly before they begin acting out in inappropriate ways. It sounds like you are all they have right now...

Hang in there....
post #3 of 21
That sounds so horribly abusive and terrifying for your poor innocent children; it must be postively gutwrenching to have to drop them off there.

This is totally a "I've been up too late and this may make no sense" kind of question but could your kids call CPS and report abuse by their dad? Don't lash me too hard if that's an insane idea, I'm just thinking giving them a voice to protect *themselves* since the state seems to disallow you to do it. I'm sure I'll come back and read that tomorrow and wonder what I was thinking even writing it but right now it makes sense! Can they write letters to the judge... something??
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by Jyotsna View Post
This weekend was time for the children to go to their dads house. At his house, first, he was shouting because he believed I was late. I was exactly on time. I pulled over on the street far from his house and waited until the exact time, then pulled up to his drive exactly on time.

I walked the children to the door, and he showed me he had a letter that was addressed to me. He asked me if I wanted it. I said yes. He proceeded to pass it to me, through the door. I reached out to take it and he slammed the iron door on my hand. I can't tell you how much pain I was in. It was horrible. And my children were on the other side, stunned.

At home they are telling me (no coersion on my part) that he took out his anger he has towards me, on them. He didn't pay cs last month, and I couldn't pay my phone, so I didn't have a phone (I'm not month to month...just buy minutes each month).
So he started screaming at the children that they didn't call, and that they need to make me get a phone. He called me all kinds of horrible names, and my son got upset and cursed at his dad. I really wish he hadn't done this, although it shows me how much he does love me. I don't want him punished because of defending me.
Their dad punished him with pushups for cussing. I told my son to never cuss at anyone. My son was very frustrated about how ex was treating me, and my daughter told me that she couldn't watch while my son was being punished because ex was being so harsh with him. She started crying and told her dad that she wanted to go him right then. On top of it, she arrived with a fever, and ex would not allow me to tell him that she was sick. Apparently she was feeling sick at her stomach by the time bedtime came, and she again asked to call me so I would pick her up. She told him she was sick. He refused to let her call me. (my phone was working on weekends and through out this weekend...but now, until I pay, I don't have a phone again).

I was so worried about my kids because of the hostility that ex showed me at drop off. I called on Saturday to talk to the kids, but ex kept hanging up on me.

I tried again on Sunday, and he finally answered but gave me a tongue lashing first before allowing me to speak to the kids. Finally, put my daughter on the phone, but as usual, kept the phone on speaker phone. I asked dd if the phone ws on speaker phone, and she admitted it was. I asked her if she could take it off. At that moment, ex began yelling at me telling me that I didn't deserve to talk to her at all. Then he promptly ended the conversation with my dd and put my son on the phone. I spoke to him, again with speaker phone on. The kids just can't say anything when the phone is on speaker.

When I was talking to my dd on the phone, she told me she watched Major Payne (movie apparently). She was punished after getting off the phone, for telling me about watching that movie. Why did he punish her? Because she said she watched the movie, when he said she didn't watch the whole thing, so she shouldn't have told me.

She has a fever, she wanted to come home, she also had diarrhea and he had her chewing some seed as a response to her problems.

When she came home, she cried and cried. My son was mostly angry (seems to be the mode he responds to unfortunately). He was shouting that he is in 5th grade, and he is not stupid. Apparently his dad was saying he didn't know much. Their dad showed them the PPP, the child support amount ect.

I am so sad for my kids. They don't deserve this type of treatment. I did call child abuse services two weeks ago, and I haven't heard anything. They told me they would let me know if they were going to proceed.

Also, my daughter was put in my son's room to sleep. In our PPP, she is not to sleep in his room, and he is actually to sleep in his room, since there is an alarm on the door, which is mentioned in the PPP, to be used each night. I'm just coming here to lay my head upon your shoulders. I feel so helpless, and without the money to pay for attorney's fees, I don't know where to turn.
When he slammed your hand in the door why didnt you call the cops and press charges on him? I would have, it might seem petty, but at least he would know that you mean business. Also him not paying CS is contempt, and you can get him into trouble for that I would let him know that as well.
post #5 of 21
I know that I have seen it hear before... Document, Document, Document.

Let the kids call about abuse. They need to be heard. Have them talk to the school counselor. Anything to help them out.

I feel so bad for your kids and you for having to put up with this crap.

post #6 of 21
There is some good advice here. It's time to come at this from all possible sides. Often children are reluctant to "tattle" on a parent, especially to authorities, but it sounds like your DC are near the point where they would be willling to do that. If they tell a counselor at school about any of this, the counselor is a mandatory reporter and is obligated to call CPS, as are their teachers and doctors. The more voices that speak up, the better.

Also, don't hesitate to call CPS for every single incident. They need to see that this is a consistent pattern of behavior for him. Have you approached legal aid? Maybe they can help you file for contempt for his mulitple violations of the parenting plan. I'm sending you strength to get through this.
post #7 of 21
I have no experience in this, but I wanted to give you a
post #8 of 21
What he did to your hand is assualt, and you can press criminal charges for that. I'm so sorry you have to deal with this.
post #9 of 21
If you had a lawyer handle your custody agreement CALL HIM NOW. If not contact the judge that made the order. Contact his/her office by phone, fax, email whatever. If you don't have a fax your post office does.

In some states children over 10 have the right NOT to visit a parent if they don't want to. Report the hand thing, that is battery and it's NOT legal. Your children witnessed the event. Report your husband to CPS if necessary. What he is doing is illegal and cruel.

I'm so sorry Mama!

I just noticed you called CPS and have not heard back. Call everyday if you have to and KEEP calling until something is done. His refusal to pay support is a violation of you PPP and you MAY have the right to terminate visitation until he does.
post #10 of 21


I agree with the OP - document... call your lawyer.

also- can you have a neutral place for transition? A park, school...

I know for us its better when we don't go to each other's homes. It's less charged.

Do your kids have a third party to talk to? Like a counselor?

Take care -
post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 
I am sure it is too late to call the police. Frankly, I was terrified to aggitate him since the childrenwere with him. My hand is okay. I have a picture of it, but honestly didn't know how the police would handle it. I knew they wouldn't take the children out of the home, based on what he did to me. So knowing what I know now, that he was taking out his anger on my kids after I left, (even after taking his anger out on me myself) that they may have not been safe at all. He may have done something else to them, and I couldn't have lived with myself if he had done that too. So, he has me between a rock and a hard spot.

I don't have any money to pay my attorney. She is not going to work for free. I have a friend who may help me, but so far hasn't. (an attorney).

In addition to what he did to me and the kids, he ranted and raved at my mother for 12 or 14 minutes, over the phone. She just asked if I could pick up the kids earlier to take them to my neices graduation party. He screamed at her, "What have you done for me, to make me want to let you have them?".
Those words and many more were spoken. I will call DCS again to tell about the new developments, about him being agressive with them because he was angry at me.

I feel overwhelmed and exhausted from this. He is just getting away with it, no matter what I do. I feel so sorry for my children. They are not in school, so they can't tell a teacher or school counselor.
post #12 of 21
Try and tape all phone calls and have your mother write down everything she can remember.

Also if possible have your oldest DS write down in his own words what happened last weekend.

I am going to do everything I can to help you!
post #13 of 21
Call the police anyway. Submit a report. Start the paper trail. Even if they do nothing but take a statement, if something else happens, you can show history. I also agree about encouraging the kids to talk to a counselor of some sort.

And absolutely keep a journal of all of this stuff.

{{{ hugs }}}
post #14 of 21
Call the police and file a report. Call CPS again, and again, and again, and mail a copy of what you posted here. File for a restraining order. Do absolutely anything and everything within your power to put an end to this abuse, not only for yourself, but for your children. Call the police and file a report when you feel your DC are assaulted also.

Do all this and do it every. single. time. you are assaulted or that your children are assaulted. Start a paper trail now.

You do not have to lay down and be a victim. It is hard to see a way out or that you have options, but you must advocate for your children and for yourself. Call around and try to get an attrny probono. Call Women's abuse shelters and see if they can help you. Or if they can point you to an attny that will help you. Do not stop. Do not give up!

Stay STRONG mama! You can do this. You MUST do this for your babies.

Hugs.
post #15 of 21
Mama, I fear for your safety. I think you are having a very hard time standing up for yourself. I can't believe you let a man SLAM YOUR HAND IN THE DOOR and did not do anything about it.

I have been in your situation and I hope you will consider the possibility that you have allowed him to bully you. Please, document everything and tell him it is NOT OK to do things. E-mail him if you have to (this is what I do with my ex-bully) and tell him it is not OK to do X, Y, and Z.

I hope you will consider filing a police report about it ASAP. Please call the YWCA or a local battered women's place and ask for help/counseling on what to do. You are letting this man be abusive to you. I know it's hard to do anything that might incite him, but you are going to HAVE TO in order to get things to change. I speak from a place of experience on this.

Above all, please protect yourself, mama. If you have anyone at all that can go with you to pick up/drop off kids, please do so. If you can have him pick up the kids instead, you will be able to prevent some of these problems (although it could introduce different ones depending on how this guy is).

I am very concerned that you didn't do anything about him slamming the door on your hand, mama. You are in an abusive relationship with this man, even though you are no longer romantically involved.

I will be thinking of you, mama, and I hope things get better.
post #16 of 21
Document it all. If it is legal in your state, tape the phone calls. In our state it is legal if one party knows it is being taped. The other party doesn't need to know. Keep the picture of your hand. Next time, go to the dr if he injures you so that they are witnesses. Call the police and file charges.

As far the children go, there should be some way to hold him accountable for the way he speaks about you to them. This is very grievous harm to them and should be stopped. If you can get an attorney, try to add something to your decree that he is not allowed to bad mouth you in their presence. If he is not being outright physically abusive to them I am not sure CPS could help. I know in our own case we cannot get anything done about an abusive older half sibling. CPS have to have injuries and dr's reports that they can document or their own pictures of filthy uninhabitable houses.

I will be rooting for you.
post #17 of 21
chiming in here, to say even with doctor records, cps chose to not get involved in my dd abuse. I would not expect them to help, it would be nice if they did, but figure out the laws and call the police if there's illegal abuse.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by EarthMamaToBe View Post
Try and tape all phone calls and have your mother write down everything she can remember.

Also if possible have your oldest DS write down in his own words what happened last weekend.

I am going to do everything I can to help you!
I disagree.... sorry.


1) Do not involve your DS, you will be charged w/ PAS if you do in most states.

2) Check to see the law on your particular state's party taping laws. It may be illegal to tape him w/ out his permission. There are ways to send him a letter to inform himt hat all future telephone conversations will be taped but there is a form letter for that, that I can help w/.

3) Speak to the CPS again, and enroll the children in therapy. Have the school therapist/ counsellor speak w/ them. As a manditory reporter they can make the reports and it will be taken more seriously than a mother reporting.

4) Keep a journal and document, document, document everything. Each detail.

5) Work extra hours at work, whatever you have to do to keep that phone turned ON mama. I have seen custody reversals happen w/ a turned off phone and the reason. (Basic needs clauses)

6) Speak to legal aid and you may be able to qualify for legal advice.

7) Speak to your local women's abuse shelter and find out what resources are available for you.

8) MOST IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beg, borrow or steal a video camera. Bring a third party with you that is not family (friend or coworker) and have that person sitting in the passenger seat of the car during any and all exchanges. Video tape all access exchanges and carry a tape recorder in your pocket when you are there. Tell him that you need himt o coem to the street after the last incident w/ the door and have the person in the car videotaping every single word and exchange. It WILL be the thing that wins this for you. It will be the only proof you will be able to legally submit.

You said that you can't afford a lawyer, but can you afford a private investigator to follow him? BTDT w/ both my ex and client's ex's and it is a wonderious way to insert a third party impartial view to a Judges chambers.

Good luck mama... pm me if I can be of more help.
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by KayCSmommy View Post
When he slammed your hand in the door why didnt you call the cops and press charges on him? I would have, it might seem petty, but at least he would know that you mean business. Also him not paying CS is contempt, and you can get him into trouble for that I would let him know that as well.
Exactly. That is assault. No two ways about it.
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
Friend with video camera sounds like a great plan.
I am getting some information from someone here, and checking that out, so I'll let you mamas know if something good comes from it.

Ex is to get the children from Sunday night to Monday night per ppp. He sends these lovely emails which appear so kind and sweet. But he is horrible with me and the children.

The children told me more about what is going on with them when they visit him, and how frequently it is going on. DD is very worried. I think I told you all last year that she started biting her finger nails and nashing her teeth while sleeping, as soon as she started visiting. Never did that before. My son had told me things I can't even repeat here, and I hope and pray that I will get some help with this situation. It is far worse than the child support payment problems.

Thanks for your advice. I am reading all of it.
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