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Do you feel that circ. is equal to ear piercing in infants?

post #1 of 50
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Just curious. I have only girls, so circumcision has never been in the forefront of any direct controversy in my life. I have been lurking about in this forum recently though and have seen that the majority of posters refer to circ. as "unecessary cosmetic surgery." That is basically how I feel about ear piercing, in general. I really don't agree with it even for older children.

What do you think?
post #2 of 50
I feel as if it is in the same vein, but not nearly the same thing. I think people who pierce their babies ears are being selfish and not letting their children decide for themselves to be subjected to pain, but I don't feel that the consequences of this are nearly as devestating as circ'ing, ifkwim.
post #3 of 50
To me, it is equal in that the infant cannot consent to the procedure, yes.

But it is also not as bad as circ-ing because at least the child can take the earrings out when they get older. Circ'd boys can't reattach their foreskins, and ear piercings don't interfere with any bodily function (sexual function).

My mother let me get my ears pierced when I was in fourth grade. I wanted it done and we had a discussion about how it was going to be painful and I would have to do all the aftercare for it myself. I consented to it, although I'm sure some people would argue that I was too young to consent.

Either way, I would never circ a child or pierce an infant's ears. If my daughter or son asked to get their ears pierced, I would have to evaluate if they were mature enough to consent to something like that, I suppose.
post #4 of 50
no, I can't equate puncturing the ear to cutting off an extremely sensitive, necessary part of genitalia. not at all.

I still think it's wrong to alter someone's body without their approval and consent, though. I haven't pierced DD's ears and won't until she asks for it.
post #5 of 50
I wouldn't really equate them, since ear piercing is not on the genitals and doesn't generally have the irreversible effects that circ does.

However, I personally would not pierce a baby girl's ears, just because it is still a cosmetic procedure and she is not old enough to consent to it herself. My parents waited until I was old enough to decide for myself to get my ears pierced, and we talked about what would happen and what I would have to do to take care of my ears before they let me have it done. I think I would do the same if I ever have a daughter.
post #6 of 50
No. I wouldn't pierce a little one's ears (until they could ask for and consent to the piercing), but it's not like a circ at all, IMO.
post #7 of 50
I don't think they are the same. I also haven't and wouldn't pierce my children's ears with out them wanting it and being able to understand what it entails. Circcumcision is on a whole different level than ear piercing but they are both altering someone else's body for a cosmetic reason, so in that respect they are similiar. I think equating the too is a way to dismiss the effects of circumcision.
post #8 of 50
i am against any body modification of anyone who cant consent, including ear piercings.

but ive had my ears pierced at least 5 times. the holes grew back together. my ears were none the worse for wear (in the long term).

circ...is IMHO far different.
post #9 of 50
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i am against any body modification of anyone who cant consent, including ear piercings.

but ive had my ears pierced at least 5 times. the holes grew back together. my ears were none the worse for wear (in the long term).

circ...is IMHO far different.
Exactly this (including the number of ear piercings that have grown back together ).
post #10 of 50
Yeah-I see it as both being without the consent of the child and thats uncool. But its not the same-circumsion removes a huge part of their penis, has big risks, etc, and can never be changed. At least with ear piercing, they can take out the earrings and its hardly noticible.

Having said that, all 3 of my kids have their ears pierced. My son doesnt wear an earing and you cant even see the hole, but the other day he said he wants a hoop in it now, lol. My girls seem to like them....I actually objected to getting my younger one done because my other daughter FREAKED when it was done (my son didnt even cry-I think he was preoccupied by the shiney things in the case), but dh and his mom took her out and got it done without me. My fault for not saying NO I DONT WANT IT DONE...I just kept procrastinating on it.

This baby wont have it done, we've already talked about it and agreed. If he wants it done when hes older, then fine, but otherwise, I'm not doing it

(I had my ears pierced when I was 6 and remember being mad at my mom for not doing it when I was a baby-LOL)
post #11 of 50
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i am against any body modification of anyone who cant consent, including ear piercings.
Exactly. The reason I'm against them is the same, but they differ beyond that, IMO.
post #12 of 50
No.

I don't like infant ear piercing, but when it's done for cultural/religious purposes it doesn't bother me. But it's not the same as circ to me.
post #13 of 50
Not even remotely the same.

I had pierced ears. Always got infections/allergic reactions, so I let the holes close. I have 2 little scars, but I healed.

Can't do that with circ. Once it's gone, it's gone. And any adverse reactions are not an easy fix.
post #14 of 50
neither should be done to an unconsenting child but removal of a body part is much worse than putting a hole through one.
post #15 of 50
neither should be done to an unconsenting child but removal of a body part is much worse than putting a hole through one.if my parents had pierced my foreskin at least i would still have it with a small scar is better than not having it.
post #16 of 50
I would never pierce the ears of a baby, but if my daughter came to me when she was a little bit older and asked for them, I'd be fine with it.
post #17 of 50
It's my understanding that this comparison is not allowed to be made on MDC.
post #18 of 50
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Originally Posted by CherryBomb View Post
No.

I don't like infant ear piercing, but when it's done for cultural/religious purposes it doesn't bother me. But it's not the same as circ to me.
It doesn't matter what reason it's done for, infant body piercing is unethical, because the infant can't consent, which is one of the main reasons against circ, and refusing to get your child's ears or other body parts pierced isn't going to mess him/her(the child) up for life, so if you truly love your child, you wouldn't do it to him/her w/o his/her consent! Infant circ is even worse!

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Not even remotely the same.

I had pierced ears. Always got infections/allergic reactions, so I let the holes close. I have 2 little scars, but I healed.

Can't do that with circ. Once it's gone, it's gone. And any adverse reactions are not an easy fix.
An infant's inability to consent is also a reason to oppose the practice of circ, so the same should be said for body piercing!
post #19 of 50
I do not pierce my children's ears without their consent. My 9 year old son asked to have his ear pierced and I allowed him to and helped him to care for it. When he became frustrated with the healing process and wanted to take it out, I allowed that as well. I would never pierce an infant's ears (and I have a daughter and have been asked many times when I was going to). I do not feel they are exactly the same, but close. I feel circ is worse but ear piercing is not far behind.
post #20 of 50
Of course of, the impact of a circumcision is much greater.
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