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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
I think our baby might be having the same tummy issues yours was. Can you please tell me the Slippery Elm doseage so I am give him some tincture ASAP. Is there a special tincture or can I give him some of the one I have?

Off to look for a local homeopathic ped, I am sure I can fine one in the Austin area...

Hugs and Thanks,
Steph
post #2 of 11
Oh Steph, when are you going to get a break?! So here is what I know ...

Slippery elm is an herbal tincture, not homeopathic, so if you're looking for a practitioner to help you, make sure they're familiar with herbs. There are also homeopathic remedies for reflux, it's just that my homeopath felt Sophie would respond better to the herbal (based on her intuition). I am also taking her for a CST appointment this Thursday (soonest I could get her in), and I'm hoping that might help her too.

I get the tincture from my homeopath, but I saw a slippery elm tincture at Whole Foods just the other day (this one). The one I have doesn't say anything about "inner bark" but I'm guessing they're the same thing. I googled slippery elm tincture, and found a page that said the outer bark does not have the healing properties of the inner bark, and that you want the inner bark (you can read it here).

And here's a webpage where they say it's safe for people of all ages, including babies.

For dosage we started at 3 drops, 3 times a day, which worked for a day or two, but then she started vomiting and crying again. I talked to my homeopath and she said to up it to 3 drops every 4 hours, so that's what we've been doing the last few days. Starting yesterday I upped it to closer to 5 drops per dose (still every 4 hours), and we now seem to be doing well as long as I get it into her at the right time. The herb works by coating the stomach, so it's best not to dilute it with anything. That means it is most effective if given between feedings (I'm finding at least an hour before or after a feeding for best results). You can imagine that feedings aren't on a very predictable schedule (dang those babies!), so this is sometimes hard to do. DH and I decided this afternoon to just start giving it based more on feedings instead, so an hour after each feeding or every other feeding, whatever gets us closest to 4 hours.

What happens if I don't get the timing right ...
For example, today she woke up and wanted to nurse right around the time she needed the dose. So I gave her the dose and then bounced and soothed her for about 20-25 minutes before letting her nurse (thankfully she wasn't starving, although she was none too happy about the delay). In the 30-60 minutes after that feeding she spit up several times, and was slightly distressed although not all-out screaming. So it helped some, but when I really get the timing right, she doesn't spit up at all. That tells me 20-25 min before nursing her doesn't give it enough time to be fully effective. So I am going to shoot for an hour as much as I can.

FYI, Sophie HATES the way it tastes, so I put the dropper as far back in her throat as possible. Sometimes she still manages to spit some out, so I will give her more in that case. And if our timing is off and she spits up, bringing the tincture up as well, I will wait until the spitting seems to have subsided, and then repeat the dose.

That's everything I can think of. Good luck, and I hope this helps . Let me know if you have any other questions.
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
Oh thank you...

Do you think it is ok to give him a tincture with alcohol in it? If not then we have a tea we can brew and give him...

HUGS,
Steph
post #4 of 11
nak

the alcohol is fine.

i am really struggling w/the timing aspect. have a msg into the homeopath about switching her to a homeopathic instead. will let you know how it goes ...
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
Great, please let me know what she/he says, I really really appreciate it.

We are going to try the S. Elm today and keep using the gripe water we were using. I am hoping things are going to get better soon.

Sagan is also going to his 1st CST appointment this week!

Hugs,
Steph
post #6 of 11
I'm not in your DDC, but if you're talking about reflux, the vast majority of the time it's caused by food intolerances or food chemical sensitivity (ie baby reacting to something through breastmilk). Babies can react to both naturally occurring and artificial food chemicals as well as whole foods (most commonly things like dairy, wheat, eggs, or soy)...here's a couple of links on food chemicals www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.com www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info
post #7 of 11
Just to both of you!
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by caedmyn View Post
I'm not in your DDC, but if you're talking about reflux, the vast majority of the time it's caused by food intolerances or food chemical sensitivity (ie baby reacting to something through breastmilk). Babies can react to both naturally occurring and artificial food chemicals as well as whole foods (most commonly things like dairy, wheat, eggs, or soy)...here's a couple of links on food chemicals www.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.com www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info
From what I have read food sensitivities are a small percentage in the amount of babies affected.

Reflux is common in about 70% of babies incl ff and bf.

I will find some of my links later and post.
post #9 of 11
Well, the homeopathic doesn't seem to help that much. Talked to the homeopath today (different from the holistic ped where I got the homeopathic). She is still urging me to continue on with the slippery elm, saying it will help with the healing of her stomach. She said that yes, it's best to do it on an empty stomach, but if I can't I can't . Next best is to give just before a feeding, and to just know that I'm doing the best I can, and it's good enough.

Have really been beating myself up, feeling like the responsibility of making these decisions when I don't know what to do is just too much. Having multiple breakdowns, sigh. Homeopath assured me that I'm doing fine and just doing the best I can. I got after dh tonight because I feel like he keeps doubting our course of action, when really what else is there to do? His doubts are making it even harder for me. So he said he'll stand behind me and support me in continuing with the slippery elm instead of constantly questioning if it's working (and it is, it's just a pain).

Baby crying. Gotta go ...
post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by trinimommy View Post
From what I have read food sensitivities are a small percentage in the amount of babies affected.

Reflux is common in about 70% of babies incl ff and bf.

I will find some of my links later and post.
I think if anyone factored in food chemical sensitivity most cases are food related, but no one knows about food chemical sensitivity so no one tests for it.

Reflux that causes pain/severe discomfort is not that common.
post #11 of 11
nak

Started the Dr Sears elimination diet today . Did this w/dd1 and REALLY didn't want to do it again, but I am desperate. We are still having 1-2 bad reflux episodes/day, and subsequent periods of fussiness. Other times she is fine . Yesterday evening was awful, but during the night was good.

Seeing the holistic ped tomorrow, and I'm going to ask her for a prescription . I am hoping we won't need it, but it has gotten to the point where I have to at least consider it, sigh. It doesn't make sense to let her suffer needlessly.

I haven't given up hope, though ...

Have a CST appt for her tomorrow, and I also just booked an appt Fri w/someone who does NAET. Don't know a lot about it, but my friend is taking her 2.5 yo who suffers from severe allergies w/really good results (he can now eat dairy for the first time in his life). I was worried about the complexity of treating dd for the foods in my diet, but she said it's simple -- she just treats her for my milk .

She said the fact that the reflux is sporadic instead of constant (e.g., after every feeding) means it probably is diet related and not "structural" (meaning the valve at the bottom of the esophagus isn't functioning properly). So I am hoping like crazy that she can help us.

How are you doing Steph? I just want to keep you updated on what we're trying .
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