appallling article in the daily mail yesterday

[Claire and Boys]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-tell-you.html

there's so many things wrong with this!

- no mention of the fact that mothers can do both bf and ff, it doesn't have to be one or the other, and any breastmilk a baby gets is good

- she poo-poos nipple confusion and recommends giving a bottle early on if bf is not going well

- says breastfeeding mothers should have proper training on how to make up a bottle - well DUH - it's not hard, just read the freakin instructions on the back of the can....and suggests that women who plan to BF should still buy a steriliser, bottles, and formula "just in case"

- criticizes recruitment of breastfeeding counsellors, as they will only allow people who have BFed for 6 months to do it. Well, I don't see the point of having people do it who have NOT BF?!? and just cos they have BF for 6 months, does not mean they had no problems at all - most likely it means they STUCK AT IT.

[lifeguard]

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- says breastfeeding mothers should have proper training on how to make up a bottle - well DUH - it's not hard, just read the freakin instructions on the back of the can....and suggests that women who plan to BF should still buy a steriliser, bottles, and formula "just in case"
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I don't understand this kind of thinking. Where most people are liivng if the "just in case" does come up why wouldn't you nip over to the store & buy the stuff then? Why spend money on junk you don't need & is just going to be one more thing collecting dust?

[rmzbm]

Originally Posted by lifeguard

I don't understand this kind of thinking. Where most people are liivng if the "just in case" does come up why wouldn't you nip over to the store & buy the stuff then? Why spend money on junk you don't need & is just going to be one more thing collecting dust?

Seriously.

[muppet729]

I guess I'm a duffer....

Don't you love being compared to cows? I guess I'm a duffer since I have never pumped well, but I managed to nurse my dd1 until after she was 4 and also my dd2 who is 17 months (10 of those months overlapped with the 4 yo). I get irritated when a mother's producing power is measured by the pump.:

[Erin+babyAndrew]

Originally Posted by muppet729

I guess I'm a duffer....

Don't you love being compared to cows? I guess I'm a duffer since I have never pumped well, but I managed to nurse my dd1 until after she was 4 and also my dd2 who is 17 months (10 of those months overlapped with the 4 yo). I get irritated when a mother's producing power is measured by the pump.:

same here. I breastfed for 4 years and only pumped a handful of times in the early weeks with ds1. for true breastfeeding, a pump is not necessary at all. A pump can be helpful to a working mom, dont get me wrong, but it's usually not necessary to establish breastfeeding as a new mom with a newborn.

[paquerette]

Isn't this par for the course for the Daily Fail, though?

[LittlePeanut]

Originally Posted by paquerette

Isn't this par for the course for the Daily Fail, though?

DH is from the UK and says it's comparable to TMZ and the like. Just sensational journalism written strictly to rile you up. Not really worth the time or energy to think about it.

LP

[Mosaic]

I dunno, I think there are some good points in there:

'It's time to stop going on about why mothers should do it and concentrate on showing them how to do it.

Breastfeeding is a skill that needs to be taught well. Some midwives and counsellors are brilliant teachers. But other mums are let down by poor or conflicting advice.

I have no qualms at all about advising a woman struggling to breastfeed to express her milk and give it via a bottle,' says Byam-Cook. 'We can then try breastfeeding again when the mother is no longer tearful and in pain, and the baby is no longer screaming with hunger.

There are just as many quotes I think are pure bupkis, but I think that maybe that midwife isn't as far off as the article is trying to make her seem.

[Belle]

Originally Posted by heather8

I dunno, I think there are some good points in there:There are just as many quotes I think are pure bupkis, but I think that maybe that midwife isn't as far off as the article is trying to make her seem.

I agree, I think that maybe that journalist may have twisted her words a bit.

[menomena]

Originally Posted by heather8

I dunno, I think there are some good points in there:There are just as many quotes I think are pure bupkis, but I think that maybe that midwife isn't as far off as the article is trying to make her seem.

THIS! This is essentially what I said in the other thread before it was locked/removed.

[tireesix]

I am afraid to say, I agree with her on most points.

The info is out there with regards to breastfeeding, appropriate help isn't.

ETA: I don't like her breastfeeding advice though, the nipple to nose thing? well, a teat won't get cracked and bleeding now will it, but my nipple sure as hell does if I am not careful about positioning. So, I guess really, the point I agree with is the teaching mums how to do it.

[Claire and Boys]

Yes, there are good points in there. I agree with pp it is probably sensationalist journalism with careful editing..the Mail quite frequently posts anti-bf articles, the title of this pissed me off too.

I agree that more support is necessary - 100%! but recruiting bf counsellors who haven't BF or who only BF for a short time isn't going to help.

[frontierpsych]

I don't plan on getting any bottles or anything (I do have a battery pump that was given to me). If there's an emergency where I'm unable to breastfeed (I get in an accident or something) DH is perfectly capable of running to the store for formula. I mean, can you just picture that scenario where the baby is hungry and crying and the dad is like "OH NOES! What do I DO?! I haz no bottlz! No FORMULA! They be all the way at teh STORE 2 miles down the road! HALP!"

[Tine]

Originally Posted by frontierpsych

I mean, can you just picture that scenario where the baby is hungry and crying and the dad is like "OH NOES! What do I DO?! I haz no bottlz! No FORMULA! They be all the way at teh STORE 2 miles down the road! HALP!"

Yup, it's a scene right out of MadTV.

Seriously, the whole "just in case" thing? Pure idiocy.