Anyone else in California MAD AS HELL about the liscensing tax?

[oatmeal]

It is for THIS REASON ALONE I am voting Republican in the coming election. Yes, me, the liberal hooligan.

Gray Davis is a crook and a fraud. Not that all politicians aren't, but I am sick and tired of having our taxes hiked to pay for democratic mismanagement in this state. My comments, by the way, are germane to California. I don't think all democrats do this. I think Davis is a greedy little gremlin with cahones that need to be put right in check.

ANYONE would be better than him.

Paying this liscense fee is something that can KILL me in one move. It's excessive and greedy. It hurts those of us who need our cars to work and who have to work to make money.

Down with Davis!!!

[Tracy]

re car tax

fwiw

one of the last thing pete wilson did in 98 was roll back car taxes 2/3..it was his law..but it was with the caveat that if the state coffers got low ...in the red...then the trigger would go off and it would roll back to the full figure again..3 x. of course in 98 the enonmy was great....of course even then jandiced prognosticators knew schools would take the hit. they were right.


we have been in the red for awhile. the trigger went off. people are misguided in thinking this is davis tax. for some people who are smart enough to know the difference some take issue with davis letting the trigger happen. reminds me of prop 13 in the 70's....we're still paying for that one.

anyway the law was pete's and it was his caveat.



9. Speaker's Commission on State / Local Government Finance
... Pete Wilson will get us from the grave and keep ... Goldberg, executive director of
the California Tax Reform Association ... by increases in their car tax, voted by ...
http://speaker.metroforum.org/press/article_112399.html - 10k


10. TRIGGER UPHELD FOR CAR TAX HIKE
... charge on vehicles registered in California are distributed ... Pete Wilson, a Republican,
signed a budget in 1998 that ... Davis has said the car tax could return to ...
http://www.calocal.org/images/art3_11.pdf -

[Delilah]

It is so interesting to hear about this stuff.

All this time I had heard that it was so expensive living in CA, and I know it is, but I freaked out when I heard that the annual property taxes for a multi-million dollar home next to the ocean aren't much higher than mine for a $90,000 house in Texas! Maybe someone needs to take a look at how property taxes in your state are structured? Maybe CA needs someone from out-of-state to come in and give them a new perspective.

BTW, we pay a fee for our vehicles also. Some places call it an ad valorum tax, and it is based on the value of our cars and trucks. We also pay higher sales taxes (8.25% where I live) than many states, and our school (property) taxes are about to go up and they are considering creating a hospital district and tax to make up for the money the federal govt. doesn't give us for medical anymore.

CA is only one of 47 states with budget problems. I know they had the worst deficit, but ENRON can be credited for about $9 billion of that.

Be careful. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

[applejuice]

Proposition 13 is the law for property taxes in CA.

If a multimillion $ home pays only $900.00 in annual property taxes near the ocean that is because the property was assessed at $90,000 in 1975 and has not changed ownership since then.

I was a city of Burbank public servant and a newlywed house-hunting in 1978 when prop 13 passed. There was much property speculating going on in all neighborhoods at the time. The argument was that if your neighbor received a huge profit on the sale of his home, why should everyone else be taxed on a profit they had not yet received?

I remember the arguments very well.

My Father's two acre home, bought in 1945, assessed at $40,000.00 in 1975, therefore his annual property taxes came to $400.00 and change in 2000, the year he died.

When it sold in 2001 for $535,000, the new owners get a bill for $5,350.00 property tax annually (and change since a school bond was passed).

Proposition 13 faced court challenges all the way to the Federal Supreme Court and in 1991, it was declared constitutional.

In 1978, in the days before the election before it passed, the writers of the law admitted it had this problem, but since the problem of ultra-high property taxes had gone on too long, this is what was on the ballot and it passed because people had enough. At the time in 1978, people discovered to their dismay what their taxes would be if it did not pass, so they passed it. My own Father discovered that his taxes would be $6,000.00 annually, so he voted for it. Who would not?

The biggest problem is that commercial property such as Disneyland and Six Flags probably will never in our lifetime change ownership, so they are paying the same low rate they paid in 1978. There already was a ballot initiative to change this and it failed.

---and if you just bought your home yesterday, you are paying 10x as much as your neighbor who bought in 1978.

RE: the car registration --- there is already an initiative petition being circulated to change it.

...and there is a initiative petition to change the illegal alien car licenses.


Too many petitions.

[Delilah]

That's interesting that the tax bill

for a half million dollar home is only about 5,000 or one percent of value. That's cheap by Texas standards, but we don't have a state income tax. $5350 in taxes is for about a $200,000 - $225,000 home here.

In my county, we pay over $2.66 per $100 valuation (2.66% of value) according to year 2000, which includes city and county and school district. We get a small exemption of the value for homestead, but I still paid over $2300 in property taxes last year for a house that is worth about 90,000.

The comparison of property tax rates has nothing to do with Prop 13, it's for the adjusted rate.

Frankly, I wonder how any "regular" people manage to buy property in CA. I would think it takes two incomes or partnerships.

[guestmama9906]

Re: Anyone else in California MAD AS HELL about the liscensing tax?

Originally posted by oatmeal
It is for THIS REASON ALONE I am voting Republican in the coming election. Yes, me, the liberal hooligan.


ANYONE would be better than him.

Why not vote green then!!

[oatmeal]

Re: Re: Anyone else in California MAD AS HELL about the liscensing tax?

Originally posted by cicerosum
Why not vote green then!!

Because doll. as much as his arguments in the debate were GREAT, and I mean he really seemed like the best guy out there!!! A vote for him is a vote forr the democrats - we all know how the dynamic works. You have to go lesser of two evils.

And I am still mad as hell about the car liscense tax and want Davis out for that. He is governor - it is HIS JOB to find creative ways to either cut spending or raise more money wihtout hurting the working classes with exhorbitant tazes. I want him out.

Why not tax the Inidan Gamers who make billions and PAY NO TAX???????

Why not make the tax for the rich the same as for the working class like the green guy said?

Davis needs to go. He's a greedy little monkey.

[Els' 3 Ones]

oatmeal, I'm curious, if a rep gov signed the law into being, why would you think another rep would be the answer ??


I'm in IL. Another state deep in the red.........we've been slashing services and raising taxes for 3 yrs now. First under Rep gov now under Dem (first one in 25 yrs). NIETHER party is really willing to cut gov't bloat first............


I am glad I'm not in Cali though...............how embarrassing.




El

[guestmama9906]

I'm still confused as to how voting Republican is better than voting for a Democrat other than Davis.

[oatmeal]

Hilary - need your source(s)

Because, I am sick and tired of the democrats running this state in the red.

I am mad as hell about the liscensing tax - next year - if it hasn't been dealt with - it will cost me $600 to liscense my vehicle.

BOLLOCKS!

[Tracy]

a friend of mine sent a bunch of us an email. I thought there was some food for thought.




If you intend to vote yes. Please stay home and watch TV instead. Or better: ask the women you know if they have ever been grabbed or harassed in the work place. Or even better read up on Hitler’s “speaking skills” (which Arnold admires) and the results thereof. Or better go to google and search for Arnold’s meeting with Ken Lay at the height of the California energy crisis. Or better still find a Republican who was for Clinton’s impeachment and see if they are willing to go after Arnold for sexual battery.


Or write Bush and tell him deficits are a huge problem in California and see he he has any thoughts on this issue. Or just see if he has any thoughts at all.



i'm not thrilled with many things in california. But above all I'm not pleased with an 8 week election. I'd rather wait and fight it out at the next gubernatorial election..the real one.

by the way....

My opponent, Mr. Schwarzenegger, complains that we're 27th in the country in school spending. When I took office from my Republican predecessor, Pete Wilson, we were 43rd," he said.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/drudged/100603069.html

[Delilah]

I'd love to get the details from Ahnold about that.

Or better go to google and search for Arnold’s meeting with Ken Lay at the height of the California energy crisis.

I think I started a thread on that. It's the article by Greg Palast with the memos from ENRON. I can't remember. Maybe it was somewhere else...

If I don't see it here, I'll start one...

On Edit: $600 licensing is a huge amount. But I think they have big car fees in Virginia, also, don't they? I recall some friends in the military claiming their CA homestead to avoid a high tax like that when they were stationed in VA.

[AnnMarie]

Originally posted by applejuice
When it sold in 2001 for $535,000, the new owners get a bill for $5,350.00 property tax annually (and change since a school bond was passed).

That's nothing. Try owning a home in NH. :LOL We bought our house for $129,900 and we pay almost $4000 a year in taxes. It's crazy.

I bought a new car this year and I think it was around $300 to put it on the road. Yet NH's motto is, "Live free or die."

[kama'aina mama]

VA has property tax on cars and it is rather steep. They also charge a seperate, quite low fee to register the car. CA does not charge property tax on cars but the fee to register is based on the current value of the car. Several years ago when I lived in VA (after buying a vehicle in CA and driving it there!) the difference was significant. I never gave up my CA plates!

[oatmeal]

Sorry - still want Davis out and still want the liscense tax repealed and am still mad as hell about it. I don't care who Arnie grabbed. I know that's unfeminist of me, but I believe he was doing that stuff back in the early 80's before he got married and all the people jumping on the bandwagon after that are just jumping on the bandwagon with frivolous claims. I also believe that Bush the coke monkey had his mits on a few asses himself and he's President. My hero, Martin Luther King, has been documented as a womanizer.

I want the liscense tax brought back down. I don't care who has to be in there to do it. I want it taken down!!!!

[jannan]

you sound very angry about this car tax. however all states are in the red...someone had to pay for the war in Iraq....you'll be even angrier when arnold wins and public funding is cut.....please consider voting Green or anyone but arnold.. your children will thank you.

[SoHappy]

Well, the election's over.
I woke up this morning thinking, "Who in the world would vote for this idiot?" Then I read this thread. Ouch. Now I get it. Saving a few hundred bucks on an auto registration renewal is worth selling out the entire state? I'd say, "Just wait, you'll get yours", but unfortunately, we'll all get it along with you. Thanks!:

[Marlena]

Originally posted by SoHappy
Well, the election's over.
I woke up this morning thinking, "Who in the world would vote for this idiot?" Then I read this thread. Ouch. Now I get it. Saving a few hundred bucks on an auto registration renewal is worth selling out the entire state? I'd say, "Just wait, you'll get yours", but unfortunately, we'll all get it along with you. Thanks!:

Aye aye. Looks like there were some other far-sighted people with their own rationales who succeeded in voting Arnie into office, along with the beach city inhabitants I imagined in Hilary's poll thread.

[Potty Diva]

Sure, anyone may be better than Davis, but there were 134 other candidates to choose from.

Also, Arnold may be a republican, but does everyone realize he is a pro-choice, pro-gay rights republican? Looks like the Dems won afterall

[Hilary Briss]

I think Californians might have been better served voting for porn actress Mary Carey. Among her ideas for generating new revenue:

Tax breast implants. From Beverly Hills alone, we should bring in millions in tax revenue. (Note: I am all-natural and I personally discourage the use of implants!)

See, also: http://www.marycareyforgovernor.com