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post #121 of 165
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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
I honestly think it is unnatural and asking for trouble to put one person in one room for 8 hours with a bunch of needy little kids day after day. It makes no sense. I can only imagine what even the best of teachers have said to kids when they were at the end of their rope. Of course, I am hoping the best of teachersd ar eable to get the hell out of the classroom, or bite their tongues at the end of a long day or year. Even if they are kind enough to the children, that sort of pressure has to take it's toll. A teacher is on the whole day, trying to emotionally and physically care for more children at one time than is not close to biologically possible. Kids are on the whole day, trying to be 'good' trying to get things done etc.

I'm not even that great of a mother, kwim? I homeschool, but i still find ways to get breaks in a day. I know me and I know my limits. Most schools are so under -staffed and under-funded. Can a teacher even leave a room for a break easily? It's not like you can walk out on kids.

I admit, I didn't bother clicking the link as I can't stomach a person harming a child. I don't believe that any one adult should be alone with a classroom of busy children for the whole day. It's a recipe for diaster, imo. Kids are needy, people get tired. Nobody can take care of 30 kids alone without support, or easily.

You couldn't pay me enough.
Actually it is "biologically possible" and people do it every day. AND they don't blow up at their children. I don't buy this "sometimes even good teachers go bad" bullshit. Of all the good teachers I've had in my life, I don't remember any of them saying anything remotely close to what that woman told that 5-year old. And mind you, one of the troublesome kids threw a desk at my 5th grade teacher and hit the dry-erase board behind her, missing her by about 3 inches. She didn't blow up at him and tell him he didn't deserve friends. She promptly stepped outside and called the school security, and the principal. When she returned she asked if everyone was alright and used it as an oportunity to explain what not to do when you're angry.

So no, it is possible to be in a room with that many kids and keep your sanity. Maybe not for you, and hey! That's why you're not a teacher! Certainly not for me... and that's why I'm not a teacher. And if it isn't for someone else but they find themselves in-front of a classroom of small children, it's time to look for another job.

I'm also really tired of this "they don't get paid enough" argument. Yeah, okay they don't. But when you went to college to be a teacher no one told you you were going to be a millionaire. You were fully aware of the low pay when you started.
post #122 of 165
i remember a teacher who threw chalk board erasers and flipped over desks. I remember another who had a bat that he would thump on you desk for attention. It was a means of control. I don't agree with it -- now or then.

To speak to today, yes teachers are underpaid. However, I do have problems with this comment:
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But when you went to college to be a teacher no one told you you were going to be a millionaire.
At the same time, who told them them could become a principal or administrative director one day? No that's not a million, but it's far more than my public librarian salary, much less than their teacher salary.

I can only speak for my state of CA, but there is this glamorous ideal that one could enter the noble art of teaching, change the world, and possible grab a title or two along the way.

Everyone needs to eat, I get that.I strive hard to leave my baggage at the door. Yet some kinder teacher feels its ok to treat kinder with a sarcasm attitude because she's having bad day? Not, that doesn't make you a bad teacher, but you do admit to an off hand sarcastic response. Not good.

To me, you are burnt out. When kids have worn you raw, it's time for a new challenge/ grade or time for something new. In the end, your path is up to you,
post #123 of 165
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i remember a teacher who threw chalk board erasers and flipped over desks. I remember another who had a bat that he would thump on you desk for attention. It was a means of control. I don't agree with it -- now or then.

To speak to today, yes teachers are underpaid. However, I do have problems with this comment:

At the same time, who told them them could become a principal or administrative director one day? No that's not a million, but it's far more than my public librarian salary, much less than their teacher salary.
um what? Sorry, i don't understand. Can you explain?
post #124 of 165
What don't you understand? The personal story or personal sentiment?
post #125 of 165
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Originally Posted by heket View Post
What don't you understand? The personal story or personal sentiment?
Sorry i didn't understand this part:
"At the same time, who told them they could become a principal or administrative director one day? No that's not a million, but it's far more than my public librarian salary, much less than their teacher salary."

Are you implying that they become a teacher to eventually be a principal?
post #126 of 165
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Originally Posted by SheepNumber97245 View Post
Are you implying that they become a teacher to eventually be a principal?
Can you clarify what you're asking here? Not to put words in anyone else's mouth, but it seems you're under the impression that perhaps you don't have to be a teacher in order to become a principal.

How do you think Principals start their job? They have to have teaching experience in order to know how to run a school. You don't just go to college and do a 'principal' degree. You have to be a teacher first, then do further study.
post #127 of 165
As I listened to the way the teatcher was speaking I was thinking about the cost of shame- what it does to a child and how this teacher must have been shamed and verbally abused herself.

I hope this child never has to hear words like these again. That he will heal. I wish for the teacher to get some sort of help, she will need that no matter what profession she chooses after this -
post #128 of 165
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Originally Posted by graceomalley View Post
Can you clarify what you're asking here? Not to put words in anyone else's mouth, but it seems you're under the impression that perhaps you don't have to be a teacher in order to become a principal.

How do you think Principals start their job? They have to have teaching experience in order to know how to run a school. You don't just go to college and do a 'principal' degree. You have to be a teacher first, then do further study.
I'm not under any impression... i'm completely confused by this statement:

"At the same time, who told them they could become a principal or administrative director one day? No that's not a million, but it's far more than my public librarian salary, much less than their teacher salary."
post #129 of 165
What confuses you about the statement?
post #130 of 165
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MattBronsil, you sound like a FABULOUS teacher. Wanna teach my kids?
Looking to move across the ocean to Taiwan anytime soon?
post #131 of 165
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Originally Posted by SheepNumber97245 View Post
Actually it is "biologically possible" and people do it every day.
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It's biologically possible for one person to give birth 30 children at the same time. Is that like quadruplets? Quintuplets?

School is weird. It's manufactured. A bunch of little kids programmed to sit at desks all day with one human person, with no recess, no talking at lunch etc. ou're going to have problems. Ya think? lol

I know some fantastic teachers, but they also leave crappy schools for better ones (breaks, support, actual books, playgrounds that get used, just to name a few things) as fast as they can.

It's pretty much a system designed to fail. As it has.
post #132 of 165
Children have been learning from teachers in groups away from their parents since early Egyptian scribes, it's not a bizarre modern construct.
post #133 of 165
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Originally Posted by SarahGuinn View Post
Children have been learning from teachers in groups away from their parents since early Egyptian scribes, it's not a bizarre modern construct.
And got beaten in the process as well. Just because we humans have been trying to force children to learn and conform to our needs in a school setting for 3 or 4 thousand years doesn't mean we're doing the right thing by them.
post #134 of 165
On one hand, I'm grateful that I don't have to send my kids to school to be taught by people like this. On the other hand, I'm sad that anyone's kids are being put through this, and I'm extremely miffed that I have to contribute to salaries for people to treat children like this.

And I guess I live in a weird area, because as poverty-stricken as NEPA is and as low as the cost of living is, teachers start out with a pretty high salary, especially for only needing a bachelor's degree. My H after ~10 years in his field of skilled labor is just approaching what a first year teacher makes.
post #135 of 165
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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
It's biologically possible for one person to give birth 30 children at the same time. Is that like quadruplets? Quintuplets?

School is weird. It's manufactured. A bunch of little kids programmed to sit at desks all day with one human person, with no recess, no talking at lunch etc. ou're going to have problems. Ya think? lol

I know some fantastic teachers, but they also leave crappy schools for better ones (breaks, support, actual books, playgrounds that get used, just to name a few things) as fast as they can.

It's pretty much a system designed to fail. As it has.
^ No, it's biologically possible for someone to care for that many children. Not give birth to them.

... What nazi schools are you talking about, that don't have recess and no talking at lunch?? lol


... Am I to understand that some of you are under the impression that there just can possibly be a "bad teacher".... but rather a good teacher with a bad moment?? You don't think it's possible that no matter what the circumstances there are bad teachers out there and they're not few and far between?
post #136 of 165
I can't believe this thread is still going. It's become like a public pillory in the middle of town square.

It's one thing to bandy back and forth over issues or ideas, but whew. Is it really constructive to be coming after each other?

If there's one lesson running throughout all this, I'd say that it's probably a good and necessary thing to vent sometimes, but it's not a good thing to misuse the people around us, children or adults, to vent at.
post #137 of 165
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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
It's biologically possible for one person to give birth 30 children at the same time. Is that like quadruplets? Quintuplets?
I don't know where that question came from, but I still think it is fun to imagine the husband standing next to the bed confidently saying, "breathe....breathe...." for 30 children and feeling like he accomplished something.

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School is weird. It's manufactured. A bunch of little kids programmed to sit at desks all day with one human person,
Are there other types of humans? ;-)

That's one thing I don't understand about regular education. Why do we do it that way?
post #138 of 165
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Originally Posted by SarahGuinn View Post
Children have been learning from teachers in groups away from their parents since early Egyptian scribes, it's not a bizarre modern construct.
Not most children. Not most societies. Not in the US was it mandatory for all children until a few generations ago. I would say, in fact, that the version we have now is a "bizarre modern construct," which people don't generally regard as bizarre because they were indoctrinated into the system.
post #139 of 165
[QUOTE=MattBronsil;11409316]I don't know where that question came from, but I still think it is fun to imagine the husband standing next to the bed confidently saying, "breathe....breathe...." for 30 children and feeling like he accomplished something. [QUOTE]


Lol That would be something, and I am hurting thinking about it. As to your question about why we do this to kids, I have to say that adult 'convenience' plays the major part.
post #140 of 165
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Originally Posted by SheepNumber97245 View Post
... What nazi schools are you talking about, that don't have recess and no talking at lunch?? lol
That's getting common around here, too.
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