Ilaria, I have not ever ever ever looked to this forum for any sort of support at all for bris milah. And if you'll reread my posts in this thread, you'll see that they didn't ask for support either. At all. Nothing like it. It started out on-topic of the TV show, stating my having been insulted/offended by it, too, albeit for different reasons (which another poster recognized, thank you
) and then ended up responding to one poster's specifically ritually-aimed wisecracks/comments.
asherah, this isn't supposed to be a heated discussion about anything. I was trying to agree with folks while stating different reasons for the agreed-upon offense; one poster acknowledged this, and everyone else seems to want to jump on me anyway.
Frank, thank you for your (as always) thoughtfully considered response. Will note for point of information that Sweden, which currently has legislation pending to outlaw all circumcision for any reason, only has Jews and Muslims circumcizing at all. So it doesn't seem to matter who in the population is doing it, if there is the legislative will.
I can't speak to what happened at the LLL convention, heard about it just yesterday, and it does sound disappointing, and at the very least, violates First Amendment free speech yaddayaddayadda. Would write LLL letters of protest, were I y'all.
This argument ...
|... by you ... this type of tactic will have a very negative impact on the views of non-Jews of Jews and will notch up the fight instead of stopping it ...
... is not a new one at all. It comes up all the time relating to all sorts of issues. Fascinating argument. Will leave it at that.
|... by Frank again Basically what I am saying is if you want to keep your ritual, either join us in stopping it for all others or decline to participate in the discussion. This will foster a cultural change and will not percipitate a legislative change. Continuing to debate the issue is likely to cause a backlash against Jews or ritual circumcisions and I don't think either of us want that.
Ummmmmm ... as previously stated in this thread, for myself and others, there is lots of support against RIC. I was "joining you in stopping it," and was not looking to participate in the discussion until someone got all wise-a** on me. Not debating at all.
And the "backlash" against ritual bris milah, as you've all stated so succinctly, is already here, as you've all stated so honestly that you're agitating for legislative action against it.
And about that "backlash" against Jews ...