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ordaining women = instant excommunication

post #1 of 48
Thread Starter 
i heard on the radio this morning that the vatican issued a decree on the ordination of women (today? yesterday? not sure). it has never been allowed, but just for clarification, now any attempt to ordain a female priest will result in immediate excommunication of the woman and the bishop who tries to ordain her.

i'm not catholic, but this is a concern i have with the church i was raised in and currently bring my kids to, for lack of a better alternative. it's just kind of a bummer.
post #2 of 48
I personally have no problem with not allowing women to be priests.
post #3 of 48
I found this article

http://www.catholic.org/internationa...y.php?id=28093

We are kinda limited in talking about it in Spirit due to this being a support only forum.
post #4 of 48
It's one of the main reasons that I knew from the time I was 7 years old that I would get out of the catholic church the minute I could.
post #5 of 48
This would get more discussion in Religious Studies.
post #6 of 48
Maybe the OP wants a support only thread? Another thread can be started in Religious Studies for those that want to debates the issue.
post #7 of 48
The Catholic church is having such a hard time finding enough men to be priests that eventually they will either have to stop requiring celibacy or accept women. I think I will see it in my lifetime.
post #8 of 48
Personally, I think the Church needs to actively work on helping young men discern a calling to the priesthood. It's a lot harder in this culture and I think many young men don't get the support they need.
post #9 of 48
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Originally Posted by homewithtwinsmama View Post
The Catholic church is having such a hard time finding enough men to be priests that eventually they will either have to stop requiring celibacy or accept women. I think I will see it in my lifetime.

The Church will never allow ordination of women. It's certainly possible that celibacy could be dropped, however. That's a disciplinary guideline, not doctrine as male priesthood is. I personally prefer celibate priests.


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Personally, I think the Church needs to actively work on helping young men discern a calling to the priesthood. It's a lot harder in this culture and I think many young men don't get the support they need.
Agreed.
post #10 of 48
This is one of the MANY reasons I'm not Catholic.
post #11 of 48
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The Church will never allow ordination of women. It's certainly possible that celibacy could be dropped, however. That's a disciplinary guideline, not doctrine as male priesthood is. I personally prefer celibate priests.


A note on the whole "celibate priest" discussion. It is an amazing amount of work and on-call time to be a parish priest. My bil is one and he dedicates his every waking moment to parishioners/prayer. I think it would be incredibly difficult to balance that and being married/having children.
post #12 of 48
I'm an Orthodox Christian (raised Catholic). The Orthodox will ordain married men (you have to be married BEFORE you're ordained a deacon, otherwise, if you're ordained a celibate and want to get married later, you have to resign your ordination). MOST of our parish priests are married. Yes, it can be tough on the family, but in some cases, it can be easier.

One friend of mine was a parish priest in a small-town Orthodox parish. He was able to watch the kids during the day when his wife was at work, so no need for daycare. Not sure what he did when it came to hospital/sick calls (probably just got a babysitter for that time)/
post #13 of 48
Thread Starter 
oops! yes, i guess this might not be the correct forum, because i can see how it could become a debate and/or hurt feelings. it was just a news item that reminded me of my own struggle right now to figure out a place where i fit.

at one point, dh and i decided it was okay to tell our kids, "no church is perfect, and we disagree with x, y and z, but we go here because of the good things about it like a, b and c." now i'm really questioning whether i can consider myself a member of a church that bars women from higher levels of leadership (and robs its members of the opportunity to be led by women), among other things.

if this thread ends up being moved, my apology for the poor choice of where to post! it's just that i participate on this board, so this is naturally where i posted. also, my apologies to the catholic mamas on the board - i know this board is to be a safe place for support, and my raising of this issue isn't meant to be offensive. i hope there are no hurt feelings.
post #14 of 48
It's the Catholic Church's teaching and if these Bishops and Women think that they are above the Church and Jesus Christ, then they should just leave.

I see no problem with this..

And since they won't leave, then they will be excommunicated for pretending to be ordained.

The Catholic Church is not the only church that doesn't ordain women.
post #15 of 48
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A note on the whole "celibate priest" discussion. It is an amazing amount of work and on-call time to be a parish priest. My bil is one and he dedicates his every waking moment to parishioners/prayer. I think it would be incredibly difficult to balance that and being married/having children.
It's really no different at all than being the pastor of an active Protestant church. They seem to largely be able to balance their duties and have families.
post #16 of 48
And this is why this cradle Catholic is now Episcopalian.
post #17 of 48
OP, no worries! I think PPs were just trying to ascertain whether you had wanted this thread to be support only for *you* or whether it was an open discussion and you meant to post it in RS
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It is an amazing amount of work and on-call time to be a parish priest. My bil is one and he dedicates his every waking moment to parishioners/prayer. I think it would be incredibly difficult to balance that and being married/having children.
post #18 of 48
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Originally Posted by milkydoula View Post


A note on the whole "celibate priest" discussion. It is an amazing amount of work and on-call time to be a parish priest. My bil is one and he dedicates his every waking moment to parishioners/prayer. I think it would be incredibly difficult to balance that and being married/having children.
Praying for him!

Yes, It would be difficult. Many moons ago, I was the bookeeper/secretary for our small, yet growing, Presbyterian church. I watched our minister, with a new infant, wife suffering from severe PPD, struggling financially to support his family, be smashed and bashed by the church members because he was around 9am getting into the office. Needless did they know that he had been at the hospital the night before until midnight. He also took call as chaplain at the hospital which meant, later then midnight MVAs and well, I watched him struggle, I saw his own faith crushed by individuals' reactions to him not being able to lead his sheep..


There is debate on both sides of this issue...but I really do see the positive side of celibacy and the priest hoood...especially after witnessing the other side as well..
post #19 of 48
The Vatican has ordained married Anglican and IIRC Lutheran priests that have chosen to become Catholic. Also don't the Eastern Rite Catholic parishes ordain married priests as that was their tradition?
post #20 of 48


My great uncle was part of the Byzanite Rite and he was married.

I should explain. I never mean it wasn't possible to have married priests. Celibacy is tradition (while male priesthood is doctrinal) i just think it is a good idea. In my home diocese, there is no shortage of priests because they are very good about nurturing vocations and promoting a stewardship way of life.
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