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post #101 of 184
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Originally Posted by Kessed View Post
English has MANY words in it borrowed directly from other languages. Most houses have a "foyer" which is a French word. French being the most common language to borrow words from. "Coup D'Etat" But there are many other places we have taken words from "Algebra" is from Arabic.
Yes, of course English has a multitude of words "borrowed" from other languages, or which naturally evolved over contact with other languages. But "algebra" etc. is now a commonly recognized English word. It's not as if the vast majority of English speakers refer to that variety of mathematics by some other name, while only a few "crunchy" types choose to call it "algebra."

At this point in the development of English, "yoni" is simply not the accepted term for any portion of the female anatomy. It's a term that a very, very small minority of people use. The average person in the USA would have no idea of its meaning.

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Originally Posted by mtiger View Post
I don't use yoni myself, but I'm amused that so many object to it because they don't speak Sanskrit. Vagina and vulva aren't exactly "English" words, either - they're Latin. But there seems to be no problem using those, even if one doesn't speak Latin. It's kind of funny.
Yes, of course vagina and vulva are Latin terms. Because that is the standard way to refer to them in a medical/professional sense. And has been for centuries, because of the history of Latin being associated with higher learning. That is our tradition as English speakers. Except for the Latin terms, we have no others for this part of the body. So of course we use them, even if we don't speak Latin. But English speakers have no tradition of using Sanscrit terms for this. Not at all. That's why it just seems odd to me.
post #102 of 184
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Originally Posted by mtiger View Post
I don't use yoni myself, but I'm amused that so many object to it because they don't speak Sanskrit. Vagina and vulva aren't exactly "English" words, either - they're Latin. But there seems to be no problem using those, even if one doesn't speak Latin. It's kind of funny.
My husband was reading over my shoulder and he had the same comment.


We're going to be a boring/technical sort of family here. Vulva/vagina/clitoris/labia
post #103 of 184
Okay, I guess I'll be a little more blunt. There is a level of "snootiness" that comes across from those who use "proper" terms that really comes off as looking down on those who use alternate descriptions - be it yoni (although the yoni tribe seems to be a bit on that same precipice), the dreaded and incorrect vagina, Hoo Ha, va jay jay or whatever else certain families call these parts.

I started reading the thread as I thought it would be both interesting and amusing to read what others called these parts. I was pretty shocked at the level of haughtiness.
post #104 of 184
wow i have never heard the word yoni before... is that uncommon? it seems like most people have. it has a beautiful meaning though. can someone clarify for me im not trying to sound ignorant i just want to understand .. does yoni refer to one specific part of the gentalia or and overall term?

yoni definately isnt a euphamism and it is comepltely acceptable to use words from other languages considering we do it everyday. and yes i understand that the vulva, vagina, etc are not english per se (but then what is) however they are considered the correct english words... they are the words that are taught in school, used by doctors, and understood by most people who speak english. I think for me there would be a couple of things to consider. first of all is sanskrit a language that is used in our house in refernce to other things? if it is then i wouldnt hesitate to use it.. actually it would totally make sense. but if it is not i guess i would be worried that she would wonder why we use this word from a different language for her body parts but do not use words from other languages to describe any other body parts. i suppose i would just be sure i would be prepared to expain when asked "if vagina, vulva, labia etc. are good words why do i say yoni? is it like my friend jane who calles her yoni a <insert cutesy term> and if it is different how is it different? and a slew of other questions related to that.
post #105 of 184
vulva- it was wierd at first(for me) but dd is totally comfortable with the word and I have grown comfortable with it.
post #106 of 184
They know the correct words but we call them private parts
post #107 of 184
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Originally Posted by mtiger View Post
Okay, I guess I'll be a little more blunt. There is a level of "snootiness" that comes across from those who use "proper" terms that really comes off as looking down on those who use alternate descriptions - be it yoni (although the yoni tribe seems to be a bit on that same precipice), the dreaded and incorrect vagina, Hoo Ha, va jay jay or whatever else certain families call these parts.

I started reading the thread as I thought it would be both interesting and amusing to read what others called these parts. I was pretty shocked at the level of haughtiness.
I certainly hope I don't come across as "haughty." Honestly, what I feel about those who use alternative terms is more on the "befuddled" spectrum. I just don't understand why anyone would choose to make up a word, or use a made up word, or use a word from another language, when a word in the language we speak exists already.

To me, telling a girl to call her vulva a yoni is just as mystifying as teaching her to call her elbow a "kuurpara" (the Sanskrit word). It makes as much sense as referring to her nose as her "noo-noo." Why do that? What purpose does it serve?
post #108 of 184
We say Vulva, sometimes vagina. This is new for us as we have two boys and a newborn daughter. The boys have already been asking what is up with their sister down there. Where the heck did her penis go anyway??

I would skip all the fancy words and just tell her like it is. Yoni is like nails on a chalkboard to me.
post #109 of 184
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Originally Posted by zinemama View Post
I certainly hope I don't come across as "haughty." Honestly, what I feel about those who use alternative terms is more on the "befuddled" spectrum. I just don't understand why anyone would choose to make up a word, or use a made up word, or use a word from another language, when a word in the language we speak exists already.

To me, telling a girl to call her vulva a yoni is just as mystifying as teaching her to call her elbow a "kuurpara" (the Sanskrit word). It makes as much sense as referring to her nose as her "noo-noo." Why do that? What purpose does it serve?
Word.
post #110 of 184
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Originally Posted by amitymama View Post
Word.
Word x 2.
post #111 of 184
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Originally Posted by ThreeBeans View Post
Please don't do that. Her parts are not 'dirty'.
No, but her diaper may be. Perhaps a better solution to this would be "Don't touch, that's a dirty diaper" or something along those lines.

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Originally Posted by jeca View Post
I will continue with vagina. I don't see me needing to teach a 5 and 6 year old every single part of their "girly" area any time soon. Vagina is a catch all and I'm okay with that.
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Originally Posted by leerypolyp View Post
Exactly, it ISN'T a catch-all. It's kind of like referring to the testicles as the "penis." If the difference between testes/scrotum and penis isn't too complicated for a boy, I don't see why vulva/vagina/clitoris is too hard for a girl.
The difference for me is that my son specifically asked me "What are these?" in reference to his testicles, whereas my little girl has yet to request a clarification of different parts of her anatomy. Right now, it's a "pee-pee" (yes, it's crude, and she's two and can probably manage to say "vagina," but there's other issues I am concentrating on at the moment) and as she gets older, we will undoubtedly begin calling it a vagina, but until she gets to the point of being curious about the different areas down there, I am not inclined to confuse the issue with half a dozen different terms.

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Originally Posted by mtiger View Post
Okay, I guess I'll be a little more blunt. There is a level of "snootiness" that comes across from those who use "proper" terms that really comes off as looking down on those who use alternate descriptions - be it yoni (although the yoni tribe seems to be a bit on that same precipice), the dreaded and incorrect vagina, Hoo Ha, va jay jay or whatever else certain families call these parts.

I started reading the thread as I thought it would be both interesting and amusing to read what others called these parts. I was pretty shocked at the level of haughtiness.
I feel that way, too. I really think this is a personal choice, and that the important thing is to teach your daughter self-respect as well as general respect for the human body. Whether we choose to use the word "yoni" or the word "vagina" or the more specific words "vulva," "clitoris," "labia," etc., the important thing is to instill in your little girl a feeling of acceptance for her own anatomy and confidence that if she is treated inappropriately, she can express this in words that are comfortable for her and understood by the trusted adult she is confiding in. (Does that make any sense?)

The bottom line is that language is adaptable and we should not feel as though we are doing something wrong or potentially harmful to our child by teaching them certain words to describe their bodies. No matter where you go or who you talk to, there's going to be someone who doesn't agree with what you've decided.
post #112 of 184
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Originally Posted by zinemama View Post
I certainly hope I don't come across as "haughty." Honestly, what I feel about those who use alternative terms is more on the "befuddled" spectrum. I just don't understand why anyone would choose to make up a word, or use a made up word, or use a word from another language, when a word in the language we speak exists already.

To me, telling a girl to call her vulva a yoni is just as mystifying as teaching her to call her elbow a "kuurpara" (the Sanskrit word). It makes as much sense as referring to her nose as her "noo-noo." Why do that? What purpose does it serve?
Not necessarily you. I was just as stunned by the "thou shalt call it yoni" crowd. What we call our parts seems to be a very cultural phenomenon. What may seem odd where I live is the norm where someone else does.
post #113 of 184
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Originally Posted by kamilla626 View Post
Saying is vagina is wrong if what you're referring to are the parts that you and your child can see. The vagina is an internal part of the body.
You know what i mean.

At least I am not calling it a made up name that makes the child think there is something to hide. geeze.
post #114 of 184
I thought this would be one of those threads that show how creative we can all be......

Right now my 3MO DD has 'girl bits'. When she is older I will tell her that she can choose to call her 'girl bits' a yoni or a vagina. I am partial to yoni myself because to me vagina has never had a pleasant sound to it (probably goes back to those horrible B&W sex ed films in High School), the word itself is harsh sounding to me...... and vulva..... yuck. I know that these are the scientific words, but they sound so masculine and not appropriate for something as amazing and beautiful as our 'girl bits'. Yoni sounds much more pleasant and feminine to me. I am giving DD the choice between yoni and vagina because it is appropriate, she has an american mother and indian (asian type) father. But even if her father wasn't indian, I would still use that word because it just works better for me. JMHO
post #115 of 184
For our family, using the correct medical terms is based in a few things:

1) Children who know the correct terms are supposedly less likely to be abused. (per "Protecting the Gift")

2) I was once admitted to the hospital for severe (and I do mean SEVERE) abdominal pain. The next morning the Dr actually discharged me and said "It seems to have been a 'female problem' and you should be fine." I was still in so much pain that I didn't have the energy to argue. I went to my OB/GYN and it turned out to be an ovarian cyst. I couldn't believe an actual doctor couldn't bring himself to use correct terminology. I swore I'd never behave that way.

3) Do you actually say "yoni" and "girl bits" to your Dr? If so, hey, that's fine , but I don't think I would be comfortable not using the medical terms with my own Dr. My kids should be able to do the same and should be able to discuss anything with me or their doctor in exact terms - not just say there's a problem "down there".
post #116 of 184
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Originally Posted by peace_laughing View Post
I thought this would be one of those threads that show how creative we can all be......
Well, that's the thing that is confusing some people. Why should we have to be creative about nicknaming our genitals? I think that's what the gist of this discussion is.

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I am partial to yoni myself because to me vagina has never had a pleasant sound to it (probably goes back to those horrible B&W sex ed films in High School), the word itself is harsh sounding to me...... and vulva..... yuck. I know that these are the scientific words, but they sound so masculine and not appropriate for something as amazing and beautiful as our 'girl bits'. Yoni sounds much more pleasant and feminine to me.
Okay, and that's fine. We all have different opinions and perceptions and gut feelings about words and ideas. But I would ask WHY you feel that yoni sounds more 'pleasant' than vagina/vulva. Is it because you didn't grow up thinking yoni was a word to be embarrassed/ashamed/amused by because it's not a word used in the English language? It seems to me that thinking vagina and vulva sound 'yucky' and 'masculine' (??) is a result of how our prudish society conditions girls from a young age to be very secretive and ashamed of their sexuality and biology, even if it is in such a subtle manner that we know what they're called but think other (even foreign) words sound nicer and are more appropriate for some reason. I still think it comes back to shame a lot of times (not necessarily in your case, just commenting on some people's motives).
post #117 of 184
I know a guy named Yoni. (Short for Yonatan, Hebrew for Jonathan.) Therefore I will *never* be able to use the word in its Sanskrit capacity without doubling over laughing. Because that guy is kind of the opposite of feminine essence.

Why is it "snooty" to use the correct term for a part of the body? Or is it not the usage of said, but the attitude toward others, that bothers you?
post #118 of 184
It is funny because vulva sounds beautiful and feminine to me and Yoni sounds masculine.
post #119 of 184
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It is funny because vulva sounds beautiful and feminine to me and Yoni sounds masculine.
Yoni just makes me think 'rice-a-roni' or 'yeti.' Neither of which I want my awesome vagina to be associated with.
post #120 of 184
I will likely teach my possible/future daughter vulva, vagina, labia, etc. when she's younger and just needs words. Later, I will tell her about yoni, as more of a cultural lesson than an anatomy one.

That said, I often do refer to certain body parts in Spanish (esp. manos, pies, ojos). I'm not sure why I do it.
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