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post #1 of 29
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What would you do? I'm feeling a bit lost.

A little background...

My SIL is approx 7 months pregnant with her first child. I really do not like my brother (the words, despise and hate would not be too strong) but he and I tolerate (barely) each other for the sake of my father. My brother is extremely arrogant who thinks the world owes him because of his birth order. He thinks my father should value my DS less as he was born to a girl and does not carry the "family name" - My father feels differently regarding this and loves my DS regardless. He is violent, hot tempered and a compulsive liar. There is a whole crapload of history but it would take too long to explain it all.

I'm unsure how or if I should approach my SIL. I live in another province from them and rarely see them as it is, as they are very low on my "people whom I'd like to see while visiting" list.

She is throwing herself a baby shower in June which I will not be attending. This shower will have beer served as she gets it for free from her work. It is a gift grab and quite obviously so. My mother would not attend if she did not feel she was obligated to do so.

SIL is young, immature, naive, materialistic, vain and very much into keeping up with the Joneses (sp?). They both love to have the spotlight on them and will behave in ways you cannot imagine if the spotlight is on someone else (my wedding day was one such memorable event). They announced their pregnancy to everyone when she was only 5 weeks. They gloated and laughed that friends of theirs had just lost their baby at 13 weeks and they thought it would be so much harder to get pregnant.

I believe they are in some financial trouble but we are unlikely to hear anything until things are beyond repair. My dad will inevitably bail them out by refinancing his home again

Back in December, SIL had said to me that she wanted a homebirth and was getting a midwife. Needless to say, I was both shocked and impressed as this was not in her character. It seems now that she is having a planned c-section (for what reasons I do not know) - Hollywood perhaps??? My mother is a strong advocate for BF and has asked her point blank whether she intends to BF. SIL's answer was a half-hearted "I'm going to try."

I do not think she has any support or decent information regarding BF. I do not think she has done any research as to what to expect. She has not asked me a single question but knows that DS (2.5 y/o) breastfeeds. I do not think she will BF beyond the first obstacle. She is the type to take her doctor's advice as gospel and not question anything. My brother has made numerous negative remarks to me about DS's extended BF. I'm afraid she will be F/T FF upon discharge from the hospital.

I don't know what to do. Is she worth my time and effort? I'm pretty certain it would be like talking to a brick wall. I have so much support, information, education and experience I can offer but would all this energy be better spent on a mama who really wants it all to work???

THANK GOD they are having a girl and the circ debate does not need to be discussed. I am certain they would have circ'd had it been a boy.

Help. What would you do?

LP
post #2 of 29
I would give a good book, or maybe a subscription to Mothering as my shower gift. If things are not great between the two of you, it will be easier not to try to talk her into or out of anything.
post #3 of 29
I would buy her Dr. Sear's Baby Book along with some more books about breastfeeding as a gift and leave it at that. It seems as though they are the type of people where you can only suggest and what will be will be. If I were you, I don't know if I would be tolerant enough of them to even give a rats @$$.
post #4 of 29
Yes I would do the Dr. Sear's books since she reveres doctors so much but if she is materialistic and juvenile as you say, she may not appreciate or read the books. However, it is a non-confrontational way to give her the information without actually having to speak with her.

You can feel good about at least giving her the information whether she utilizes it or not! Then you can save your best pearls of wisdom for another woman who really needs it and will value it.
post #5 of 29
Honestly, and I hate to say it, but I'd let it go...:

There seems to be a good chance that they will go opposite of any recommendations or advice you give them simply because it was you who gave it.

And for being in this dynamic in the first place. (something's wrong with that sentence, but I'm too tired to figure it out)

I'm not one to back off, but I think in this situation you'll end up hurt, disappointed, and offended. And perhaps they'll increase their attacks on you and your DS to justify their choices, which are so blatantly opposite of yours.
post #6 of 29
Let her know that you are there as a resource and leave it at that.
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by honeydee View Post
I would buy her Dr. Sear's Baby Book along with some more books about breastfeeding as a gift and leave it at that. It seems as though they are the type of people where you can only suggest and what will be will be. If I were you, I don't know if I would be tolerant enough of them to even give a rats @$$.
: Sometimes people surprise you. I know some who is pregnant who I didn't expect to be super apish, but she's been excited to accept (and READ) every book I've given/lent her. I'm not used to people listening to me I guess
Anyway, I would say share your resources with her, you never know what she'll be open to.
Maybe you could promote breastfeeding/ap stuff in a "trendy" way? It seems like everything natural/earthy/etc. is "in" right now, use it to your advantage.

THERE IS HOPE!
post #8 of 29
Send a Mothering subscription, then move on, very far on...
post #9 of 29
Oh goodness - your SIL sounds just like mine - it's awful and 3 kids later on her side with her dd1 bf for 10 days and then her mother came and got her so drunk with brandy that she couldn't bf the next day!!!! She now days it was because she had cracked nipples but seeing as my bro phoned and asked me what to do and explained the situation we all know that's just a cover up, anyway dd2 and ds1 bottles, never even tried - both my sis and I extend bf and I'm an LLL Leader!! I'm rambling - you know sometimes you can't change folk no matter how hard you try, nowadays we just agree to disagree and we don't see each other very much - once or twice a year, I just can't cope with the way they treat their kids from not bfing to many many other things the list is endless. I would let go, even though it's really really hard. Lots and lots of
post #10 of 29
give a Sears book and an outfit or small toy and call it a day.

And btw, what's wrong with having beer at her shower?
post #11 of 29
Let it go - in a few years when the kids are older, there will be an obvious difference during family get-togethers. You do the right thing. This is one of those situations where its not your problem how they raise their baby.

Sorry its such a lame situation, though!
post #12 of 29
All you can do is offer support and encouragement in a nice way and leave it at that. My sister changed dramatically after she had her DD... she was very similar to your SIL and I was quite worried about how she'd adjust to motherhood. I got a frantic phone call from her at midnight one night when her little one was sick with a fever and talked to her for about 45 minutes (after looking up the dosage of infant tylenol for her on Dr. Sears website). After that she knew that no matter what time I was there for her if she needed help and support. I wasn't pushy about certain things... and she made some choices that were not ones I would make... but I did what I could and tried to stay very non judgmental about her choices. The only time I've crossed the line and had a very stern conversation with her was when IMO she and her DH were spanking their DD and I thought they were both being very stupid. In that particular instance the child was spanked because she started to cry when it was time to leave our house after a playdate with my kids... um, the child was TWO and she was sad because the playdate was over. In no way was it appropriate to discipline her for feeling sad!! I was very ticked and immediately pulled my sister aside to have a talk with her. Way to stunt your kid's emotional well being!

Sorry, I get very long winded about her... anyhow, I would call your SIL... mention that you know the challenges that come with having a baby and just tell her that you're there if she needs someone to talk to about anything. If she asks your opinion and advice just tell her what you would do in a nice way... and hope she takes your advice.

I like the advice that others gave about getting her books by Dr. Sears. He's awesome!

Beth
post #13 of 29
I agree with the books/mag subscription idea. I have given out books to pg family members who I was not sure would be receptive to conversation. One person I actually gave my copy of Henci Goer's Thinking Woman's Guide to a Better Birth and I don't think she read it at all. She gave it back to me after the baby came and related her birth story that included darn near every single intervention the book explains how to avoid and why. All you can do is try in the way that seems most appropriate, and sometimes you just have to let it go.
post #14 of 29
I have been surprised in the past by women who seemed very much like your SIL and then became very AP. She did mention a homebirth, maybe it was just because she thought it was fashionable or something, or maybe she is really open to less mainstream ideas. I would send her some info, keep it positive, and make it clear that you are available to discuss these things.
I might even call her up and say something about how you heard she needs a c-section and felt very sorry for her, asking her if there is anything you can do. She just might surprise you and either have a legitimate reason or be open to reconsider.
Of course, if she does not want to hear anything, there is not much you can do but I think it is worth a try. So often, people assume certain people will behave a certain way and unknowingly become complicit in them making bad decisions. I was a single 19 year old pregnant girl. I went to the CLSC (local health clinic) to get a referral for a midwife and the nurse just assumed I was considering abortion, that I was going to go the whole medical route and all. Then, after DD was born, I had to see a doctor to get a referral for something and the doctor just assumed I was not BFing and all kinds of other things. I got a little angry with her and tols her that it was no wonder most young moms do not BF with HCP like that. Perhaps your SIL is being pushed in a certain direction and if you can give her a different set of expectations, she might run with it.
post #15 of 29
Thread Starter 
I'm pretty certain that the homebirth was because she thinks it's trendy and she hadn't considered other options (such as pain management). However, I feel like I need to do something just to ease my mind and know I did what I could, kwim?

So here's what I'm thinking... I will make her a sling (I'm pertty certain she would wear her baby even if it's only for show since the "stars are all doing it" so she will do it too. Then I will "loan" her a couple of books (namely Dr Sears' Baby Book and Dr Newman's Ultimate Guide). That way it feels less like a waste of money than giving her books of which she may never crack the spine.

Should I ship these out to her for the shower which is a month before her scheduled c/s or wait for the arrival of the child?

I wonder if I should make a visit before??? I just hate all the negative energy and the defensive person I become when I'm around them

Thanks for all the ideas and I'd love to hear more. It's somewhat nice to know that I'm not alone as others have faced the same crappy situation.

LP
post #16 of 29
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Originally Posted by LittlePeanut View Post
I'm pretty certain that the homebirth was because she thinks it's trendy and she hadn't considered other options (such as pain management). However, I feel like I need to do something just to ease my mind and know I did what I could, kwim?

So here's what I'm thinking... I will make her a sling (I'm pertty certain she would wear her baby even if it's only for show since the "stars are all doing it" so she will do it too. Then I will "loan" her a couple of books (namely Dr Sears' Baby Book and Dr Newman's Ultimate Guide). That way it feels less like a waste of money than giving her books of which she may never crack the spine.

Should I ship these out to her for the shower which is a month before her scheduled c/s or wait for the arrival of the child?

I wonder if I should make a visit before??? I just hate all the negative energy and the defensive person I become when I'm around them

Thanks for all the ideas and I'd love to hear more. It's somewhat nice to know that I'm not alone as others have faced the same crappy situation.

LP
I like the book "loan" idea and mayhaps a year subscription to Mothering? She may just like having something to read during her "me" time in the bathtub after the baby comes.

And I think a lovely visit is in order. Take the sling with you and show her how to put it on. Do you have a largish baby doll that you can take with you to show her how to position the little one for mama and baby maximum comfort?
post #17 of 29
I really don't see what half of your original post has to do with deciding whether or not to educate her about breastfeeding. Having beer at a baby shower is the best idea ever, baby showers usually suck for everyone but the pregnant woman!

Since you are convinced that she does things because of Hollywood, then I would bring up all the young stars that are breastfeeding. Christina Aguilera, Salma Hayek, Naomi Watts, etc. Maybe since she is new at this whole thing you can put aside your differences and try and be a great AP role model. We all have to learn from someone and you could be the person who shows her the benefits of breastfeeding, baby wearing etc. If I recall correctly, there are plenty of stars who have mentioned that breastfeeding has really helped with weight loss post partum. Now, weight loss isn't the goal when we BF, but it is something that may pique her interest enough to learn more and then stick with it.
post #18 of 29
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Originally Posted by Mrs.Bufford View Post
Having beer at a baby shower is the best idea ever, baby showers usually suck for everyone but the pregnant woman!
big big big ditto!
post #19 of 29
(please don't flame me), But honestly breastmilk is one of the last things I'd be worrying about that this baby might be lacking when she is born; based on your description of these people.

That being said, I'd just give a book that helped you along the way, with a card saying you are available for help and questions at any time. And leave it at that.
post #20 of 29
I'd mail her the stuff in time for her shower (or have your mom hand deliver it if you live near your mom). If you wait until the baby's born, she may not have time to read the BF info before the birth. I'd also include the names of a few good websites for BF and parenting information (possibly not including MDC if you don't want to hang out with her online.)

Be prepared to never see your books again, even if they're supposed to be a loan. Don't put too much mental energy into having those books returned; keep in mind that you may end up replacing them anyway (except that, in that case, you'll get the brand new books instead of bro and SIL.)

I dont' suggest visiting them before the birth if there's so much negative energy between you and your bro. Sending out a gift is acceptable; then back off.
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