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post #21 of 85
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
OP - No! They do not disintegrate. I would use that carseat. Good luck!
You would be breaking the law (in most states) and putting a child at risk of ejection in a crash situation.

It would be *better*, IMO, if they did disintegrate -- then the internal damage and deterioration would be visible. Since they do not disintegrate, people use them or advise other people to use them, and that's dangerous.
post #22 of 85
They may not disappear in a cloud of dust but we know they degrade over time. After X amount of time the seat WILL be completely useless in a car accident.

Some advice is being offered by people who have expressed opinions that are basically counter to everything we know about physics and car accidents, so it should definitely be taken into account that these people may not care particularly about your child's safety.
post #23 of 85
[QUOTE=chickabiddy;11401371]You would be breaking the law (in most states) and putting a child at risk of ejection in a crash situation.

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It is NOT against the law to use "expired" carseats. I'd love to see a source, please.
post #24 of 85
[QUOTE=vbactivist;11402000
It is NOT against the law to use "expired" carseats. I'd love to see a source, please.[/QUOTE]

Chickabiddy is correct. Many if not most states have a 'proper use' clause. Meaning if you use a seat against the manufacture's recommendations you can be cited and if your child is injured you can be criminally charged.
post #25 of 85
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Originally Posted by ThreeBeans View Post
Chickabiddy is correct. Many if not most states have a 'proper use' clause. Meaning if you use a seat against the manufacture's recommendations you can be cited and if your child is injured you can be criminally charged.

source please.
post #26 of 85
You can google them as easily as I can. If you were really interested in being educated, I would help you out. But I'm not wasting time with someone who just wants to antagonize and offend.
post #27 of 85
Why risk it. I would buy a new infant seat and when I am done, sell it on Craigslist. You and I might not buy a used seat, but lots of people do and as long as you know it hasnt been in a crash you can feel fine about it. I sold one there a few months ago.
post #28 of 85
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You can google them as easily as I can. If you were really interested in being educated, I would help you out. But I'm not wasting time with someone who just wants to antagonize and offend.
I honestly am not trying to antoagnoize anyone. I just truly believe that there is way to much emphasis put on car seat usage these days.

I am stating my personal opinions and experiences, not claiming that certain things are "laws". I googled your statement and did not come up with anything. I have never ead that using an expired carseat is beeaking any law.

NAK
post #29 of 85
In states with a proper use clause, it would indeed be breaking the law, like 3B and Chickabiddy said.

For example, here is Washington's proper use clause:

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The restraint system must be used correctly according to the car seat AND vehicle manufacturer's instructions.
It doesn't say anything about the expiry date directly, but it is addressed in the car seat manual. For example, Dorel seats are stamped on the bottom "DO NOT USE PAST XX/XX/XXXX" so using it past this date would be going against the manufacturer's recommendations and would thus be breaking the law.
post #30 of 85
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Originally Posted by an_aurora View Post
In states with a proper use clause, it would indeed be breaking the law, like 3B and Chickabiddy said.

For example, here is Washington's proper use clause:



It doesn't say anything about the expiry date directly, but it is addressed in the car seat manual. For example, Dorel seats are stamped on the bottom "DO NOT USE PAST XX/XX/XXXX" so using it past this date would be going against the manufacturer's recommendations and would thus be breaking the law.
Interesting. What if you have a seat that is so old as to not have an expiration date? I am not kidding here, but my friend has a seat that is at least 18 years old, and she still uses it. Also, 2 years ago when they changed the law in my state to say that all children age 8 and under must be in a booster, I called the police dept to ask about it. They said, they would pull someone over just because they saw what looked like a younger child not in a seat, but they may give a ticket for that if they pulled one over for some other violation. The police officer said it really was up to each officers discretion. Has anyone ever been fined/ticketed for using an expired seat, that you know of? I have never once heard of that happening.
post #31 of 85
Whether or not it has a stamped expiration date, it will still expire 6 years (in general, some manufacturers specify 5 and some state 8) from the date of manufacture. IME, police officers just see that a child is in a child safety seat and don't actually inspect the seat to get a date of manufacture or anything off of it. Foreign seats, for example, are illegal too, but 99.9% of police officers wouldn't know one if they saw one.
post #32 of 85
I seriously doubt anyone has ever been fined or ticketed for using an expired seat. In most cases that would involve removing the carseat to find the expiration date since most of them are stamped on the bottom.

This is all I need to see to know that it's not safe to use an expired seat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvCRz7BRAM0
post #33 of 85
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
Interesting. What if you have a seat that is so old as to not have an expiration date? I am not kidding here, but my friend has a seat that is at least 18 years old, and she still uses it. Also, 2 years ago when they changed the law in my state to say that all children age 8 and under must be in a booster, I called the police dept to ask about it. They said, they would pull someone over just because they saw what looked like a younger child not in a seat, but they may give a ticket for that if they pulled one over for some other violation. The police officer said it really was up to each officers discretion. Has anyone ever been fined/ticketed for using an expired seat, that you know of? I have never once heard of that happening.
I wish that would happen, I know a couple of moms that are using seats that are at least 15-20 years old (and improperly at that ), but they just don't seem to care.

Makes a few months seem like less of a big deal.
post #34 of 85
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Originally Posted by an_aurora View Post
For rear-facing, the baby's shoulder must be within an inch of the bottom slot.
This depends on the carseat. For Marathons and Boulevards, Britax specifies that the infant should be within one-half inch (lowest slot height is 10"; minimum seated shoulder height for those models is 9.5").

In the case of the Roundabout, they actually specify the minimum seated shoulder height as 10.5", even though the minimum slot height is also 10".
post #35 of 85
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
I honestly am not trying to antoagnoize anyone. I just truly believe that there is way to much emphasis put on car seat usage these days.

I am stating my personal opinions and experiences, not claiming that certain things are "laws". I googled your statement and did not come up with anything. I have never ead that using an expired carseat is beeaking any law.

NAK
Others have provided examples. Many states have proper use clauses, which means that you must use carseats in accordance with manufacturer's directions. Most carseats expire after six years. For seats that do not have dates specified, NHTSA has set a ten-year expiry.

Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for children (actually, all people aged 1 to 34). Using car seats and seatbelts properly saves lives. I'm still sharing a bed with and nursing my 6-year-old: I understand and respect attachment parenting. But I want to parent my child, not mourn her. Keeping my child alive is the most basic thing I can do for her. And if keeping her alive means making her mad -- not abandoned or neglected, because I'd be talking to her and reassuring her while she stays in her carseat -- then she'll just have to be mad, so she can stay alive for me to make up with her later.
post #36 of 85
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Originally Posted by Ironica View Post
This depends on the carseat. For Marathons and Boulevards, Britax specifies that the infant should be within one-half inch (lowest slot height is 10"; minimum seated shoulder height for those models is 9.5").

In the case of the Roundabout, they actually specify the minimum seated shoulder height as 10.5", even though the minimum slot height is also 10".
Where did you find that?
post #37 of 85
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Originally Posted by an_aurora View Post
Where did you find that?
www.britaxusa.com, under Products, choose Marathon, Roundabout, etc. It's all there (minimum seated shoulder heights and strap heights are both listed).
post #38 of 85
Their manuals say nothing about minimum shoulder height.

ETA: I find it really weird that they list the max shoulder height as 16", but the top slot at 16.75" (MA).
post #39 of 85
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Originally Posted by an_aurora View Post
Their manuals say nothing about minimum shoulder height.

ETA: I find it really weird that they list the max shoulder height as 16", but the top slot at 16.75" (MA).
i had to go look..and it DOES
try going here to see the chart
http://www.britaxusa.com/products/pr...ail.aspx?ID=10

it says 10.5 - 15

for the Ma, it says 9.5 to 16
huh.
post #40 of 85
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Originally Posted by vbactivist View Post
OP - No! They do not disintegrate. I would use that carseat. Good luck!
termites eat wood from the inside. most ppl dont see it until their deck collapses.

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source please.
others have provided information, correctly. anyone who is interested can google car seat laws.
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