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post #21 of 75
Reesecup, you said "The majority of the world didn't have any respect for us BEFORE the present administration, and really, it'll take a whole heck of a lot more work than having a change of administration/parties to get any respect. I suppose you didn't realize we Americans were a laughing stock and a brunt of shameful jokes and abuse over seas in the 8 years of the Clinton administration . Just like we are with Bush now. No matter what we Americans do, to the people that don't understand, know, or care to even learn us in a factual light we'll be nothing but a joke"

I'm sorry, but you are very wrong. Certainly I think I can speak from a European perspective. Before the present administration, the British, who I can certainly speak for, may have raised their eyebrows at the shinnanagins of Clinton, and wonder why he didn't just resign - which a British politician would have had to have done as they just can't weather such scandal. The British viewed Americans in general as somewhat immature - let's face it, you are an immature nation compared with Europe. They raised their eyebrows at the loudness of Americans' voices and dress sense. But that was about it.

Now, they laugh publicly at your politiicians. They cannot believe that you elected, or some say, selected, a president who could not even name the world's leaders. A man who had 'only' been arrested a few times, and had some alcohol issues that would block any British politician from holding office. Whatever you might say about that being GW's past, in the UK, you would not be viewed seriously as a politician with that sort of past. But the biggest joke to the British is GW's clear lack of intelligence. I'm sorry, but a man who had the most expensive education available who I gather had the worst grades in university that can still constitute a pass - as the world leader? How gullible must the American people be to take him seriously?

Although, of course, we shudder as the world has to take him seriously. Money bought him his position - nobody could seriously believe that without his family's fortune and position this man could have held serious office. That is the joke, but it is a black humour.

Now, many Brits now dislike Tony Blair, although many still support him and I believe he'd get re-elected if push came to shove. But nobody can deny that the man has a sharp mind and can speak. He is intelligent and a craftsman as a politician. He answers questions in parliament on the spot. Could you imagine GW doing that? Facing Prime Ministers question time and being able to string a sentence together?

And now you've elected an actor because you believe that he knows something about politics. AGain, without his fame and fortune, woudl Arnold have ever been elected? Nobody even knows what his policies are, but the fame of his name was enuogh to get him elected.

Yes, now it is a huge joke abroad. Or it would be if it werent' so serious.
post #22 of 75

Well said Hilary and Britishmum
post #23 of 75
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I understood as your orriginal post in coming off as you were JUST noticing this dislike for Americans and thought it was a new thing, plain and simple it's not and has been around for a very long time.
Once again I can't understand what you are referring to???

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I said the world has lost "TOTAL" respect for us. Yes, I do believe that we had some amount of respect before Bush and friends took over.

Geez!! I am not talking about our cultural popularity or if people are poking fun at us!!! I am talking about politics, international relations, bi-lateralism, listening to world opinion!!!! And everything else our country has been failing at!!!!!

Reesesccup, You do not seem to be reading or understanding responses to your posts. You are also twisting what you have read. I will no longer waste my time on responses with you!! Good luck!!!

marg
post #24 of 75
I think the real tragedy of 9/11 is that, for once, much of the world was in support of the United States, and a tremendous amount of goodwill was extended to us. A more reasoned, and thought out response to the terror attacks would have sustained that goodwill, and provided us with an opportunity to remake how the rest of the world sees us.

The Bush regime chose to piss away all of that goodwill, by flipping off our allies and going ahead with ill-advised and ill-planned wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. They have successfully alienated many people and nations that might otherwise still be viewing us more favorably.
post #25 of 75
gee, I loved my post so much I thought I'd post it twice!
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I love that i can wake up and not be afraid , that i can raise my kids how i want.
Wow. That must be really nice.
post #27 of 75
Well, Marg and Hilary you are right again! This president has sunk us so very low. Maybe in the past there was anti-americanism, but today because of our gov'ts policies, many more countries and people dislike us.

I am proud to be a human being.

And about the raising the kid item.. I feel the same way. I was caught off guard by my little guy. I never imagined being a single mom-or a mom. However, I am so happy that he came along But, I do worry and am scared sometimes by his future. Sure, I wake up every mo
post #28 of 75
...morning and raise him the way I want to. However, that does not make me shut out the world and live in a box! Our actions have made my sons life tougher and scarier than before. Plus, my president does not seem to care. His agenda is more important.

However, getting sick of my computer
post #29 of 75
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Originally posted by sweetbaby3

I love that i can wake up and not be afraid , that i can raise my kids how i want. that i have all the opportunities that this country offers. That i can work, stay home, start a business, vote for who i wish, protest if i want, leave this country if i choose. I can use my money how i like, give to causes which i support, live in a big house if i want and make more money than my own president.
Unfortunately, that sense of security is not universally available in the US, nor those opportunities. You gotta be white and/or upper-middle class and/or lucky.
post #30 of 75
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They cannot believe that you elected, or some say, selected, a president who could not even name the world's leaders
We didn't elect him. He cheated! He stole the election and got himself appointed president by the Supreme Court. The majority of Americans voted for Gore.
post #31 of 75
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What do you think of our country?? Are you proud to be an American?? Do you feel safer?? Are you happy about the economy?? Do you care about the way the world views America??
I think it's politicians generally stink.

Am I proud to be an american? Definitely not. I am also not patrtiotic and don't feel any obligation to be supportive or proud of a country I had no choice in being born into.

Do i feel Safer than say people must feel living in Iraq? Definitely, and for that I admit I feel grateful.

I am not concerned about the way the world views America.

I too would love to immigrate to another country and Dh and I seriously considered Australia(serious enough to have the initial visa paperwork filled out and our documents close at hand), but unfortunately, it is too expensive for us to move and most companies won't hire you without a Visa, and it's hard to get a visa without employment

Because of our political, religion, and parenting views, I would love to get the heck out of this country.

BTW, the phrase "if you don't like it then leave" statement is just about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I say, if employment were better and pay was better we would LEAVE. But then, if those things were better, we may not leave
post #32 of 75
Ah, what a great thread.

Hilary your post was like a tall fresh glass of VB on a hot day thanks



Im Australian...to be honest, after what John ho"WAR"d did,his head so far up alcoholic Bushells butt, Im pretty disgusted with our countries ball=less antics too but thats another thread

America has always had a reputation from "out here"...its people always been regarded as somewhat dramatic and loud and plastic...and having lived there, I met alot of them :LOL I also met extraordinary people .
I could go on about the things I saw there that were so hard to understand and adjust to culturally...but youre not asking that...

Its a diseased country for sure...and its very insular. Most people I met never have left the US borders. I never felt safe there, and was terrified to raise our son there (Have lived there for 4 years until 9 months ago)

Having said all that, there are extraordinary resources there and I really enjoyed the extraverted and confident attitudes after living in conservative and somewhat behind the times Aussie attitudes.
Its certainly progressive in many ways.
It is a country of dichotomy for sure.

If T3 goes for president next I think my freakin head is going to spin.

But you know, Australia has a very unrealistic reputation too.


Just some waffling....
post #33 of 75
In defense of Americans who have not left the states:

It's expensive to travel abroad. Even if a travel package costs 600 dollars, I'd think most Americans would find that too expensive when they could spend that on something that is needed.

I've been to Canada and Mexico, and only because we were able to drive. Even though I would love to visit Australia, Spain, Germany, etc we could not afford to do so.

As far as Arnold running for president, that can't happen- YEAY!!!!

If it did, I'd almost start believing in Revelation. Ya know, the European power?
post #34 of 75
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As far as Arnold running for president, that can't happen- YEAY!!!!
I wouldn't feel too comfortable if I were you..........


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WASHINGTON -- Sen. Orrin Hatch wants to terminate the constitutional prohibition against foreign-born citizens such as Arnold Schwarzenegger and others from becoming president. "This restriction has become an anachronism that is decidedly un-American," Hatch, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and one-time presidential candidate, said when he introduced the change last week.
But retired University of Alabama history professor Forrest McDonald said the prohibition made sense when it was included in the Constitution "and I'm not sure the reasoning is entirely outdated."

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jul/07162...on_w/75857.asp
post #35 of 75
Regarding how I feel about America...well, America is a beautiful land from "sea to shining sea". I have seen some of it. The land of America just is. It was here before us, and will be here after us. So America is itself with or without us, but definitely in spite of us. Cities crumble over centuries, human creation is temporary.

Our human history, however, is one of hubris, as my son puts it. I would love to see some humility. I just don't think those in power right now are capable of that, which is a really big problem for the whole world.

I think that our history is relatively short compared to the ancient history that was here already among the hundreds of native nations and that of "Old" Europe, which explains some things. Our way is like that of a young and cocky adolescent full of bravado...the rest of the world patiently awaits our culture's maturation. I daresay that when that maturation is complete there will be much of a destructive, manipulative, negative nature commited in immaturity that will require humble apology and restitution.

While we currently tout our (ever-eroding, if you choose to see) freedoms, it is only illusory really. We can't really handle the responsibility of freedom yet as the immature culture we are, but it IS a noble and worthy intent for the future. Now if only we could, in hindsight, take a look at what we could learn from those we conquered in history and try to integrate those lessons, qualities and wisdoms in humility.

THEN we may begin to know the quality and truth of freedom.

I love America. It is beautiful, graceful, exciting, calm, and more. The land can support the culture we can become, but will not support the culture we are...if we can learn to humbly pursue appropriate technology that puts sustainability first, we can once more lead as an example, be a true friend, and help those needing a hand, value harmony with the rest of the world. Until then...we are just spinning wheels, and all talk.

That's what I think of America. I love it. I want to be part of what it can grow up to be.

Joyce in the mts.
post #36 of 75
Marg,

I just have a minute here & I wanted to answer a part of your OP (I didn't have time to get through reading all of pg 2 of posts but...)

Do you feel safer? Was one of your questions.

I can answer a resounding no. It boggles my mind that anyone does. To me it is clear that increasing the hatred of others for you does not increase your secure standing -- not on the playground, not on the world stage.

In 1993 my uncle was shot & killed while traveling for business in Egypt. He worked for a company building an oil pipeline. A stranger walked in to a restaurant and shot at him & his co-workers.

I feel that the policies of the past 10 years (but especially the past 2 years of the 'war or terror') have made such incidences far more likely. Instead of working to build bridges in these 10 years, I believe we have alienated & isolated our country to such an extent that we will soon have few allies to speak of.

Yes we have a powerful military arsenal, but there is no question in my mind we are less 'safe'.

I am not completely depressed as I believe people could get together to imagine & create a nonviolent world, and that this is already happening all over the place.
I sometimes wonder if we are witnessing the last gasp of the old guard trying to hold onto its grasp of power, money, and dominance. I think the world has changed too much for that to be the way of the future. Question is whether the planet will be allowed to survive long enough to see anything different.

[I'm not a pessimist by nature, btw. I grew up in a conservative household, & it's been very hard for me to come to these views. Interestingly enough, my Dad who taught me his Reagan-political views growing up, has also now done a 180-degree turn in his views. ]

Okay that's far more than I usually post in Activism for fear of my strong views blinding my common sense in moderation, lol. Hope I didn't say anything hurtful without meaning to.
Thanks for the conversation, Marg!
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post #38 of 75
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Okay that's far more than I usually post in Activism for fear of my strong views blinding my common sense in moderation, lol. Hope I didn't say anything hurtful without meaning to.

I wish you would post more often!! You are wonderful!!

I am very sorry to hear about your uncle.........

marg
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post #40 of 75
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Candiland , why the sad face?
I wish I felt safe enough to "talk" about this issue, but I do not.

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I get up unafraid in the mornings and I am raising my kids darn well as I please. You can't?
No, I can't. My idea of what I want and need are not the same as our government's; they are not Christian or American at all. My children would be taken away if I raised them the way I wanted to. I cannot go into anymore detail than that.
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