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post #1 of 13
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***I'm putting this in Homebirth because I don't want to have to argue the safety/merits of homebirth -- but I am open to a variety of responses.***

I'm 11 weeks pregnant and trying to settle on a care provider. My insurance will fully cover the local out-of-hospital birth center, and I'm currently lobbying for coverage of a CNM-attended homebirth. But...I'm not sure which one I really want.

My last birth was a planned homebirth that ended in a pretty frightening transfer (that was well warranted). We couldn't go to my midwife's hospital because it was too far -- had to go to the closest place, AND we had to drive ourselves because (get this) 9-1-1 DID NOT ANSWER. Once we got to the hospital, things went amazingly well -- L&D there was staffed by midwives, and the midwife on duty happened to know my own midwife, and basically let her do her thing.

The reason for transfer in a nutshell: I hadn't been progressing well, I tried a small push, there was an alarming amount of blood and then some meconium, baby's heart rate dropped. I was at 42 weeks, and had been trying to induce with castor oil -- finally I decided to do an amniotomy, because in NJ your other choice at that point is a hospital pit induction. (This was after a week of castor oil and prodromal labor. Once we did the amniotomy I went into serious back labor. LOP baby.) The fluid had been clear previously, and heart rate good, but after I gave that push, I watched the midwives' faces go white. They immediately put me on oxygen and got me ready to go.

Because of the adrenaline of the transfer, my labor shut down, and I got a very small dose of pitocin to get it going again. (And about 3 bags of IV fluid, since I'd been puking myself into dehydration.) Going back into labor and pretty quickly into transition at the hospital was incredibly stressful, and I was whining and begging for a c-section. I had to have oxygen the whole time; without it, heart rate dipped. Finally after a pep talk from my awesome midwife, and a hell of a lot of work on my part, I pushed out my daughter -- no pain meds. She had what the hospital midwife charted as shoulder dystocia, but my own midwife (a woman of 30 years' experience) charted as "sticky shoulders," and was covered in mec. She hadn't aspirated any, but had trouble breathing. I can't remember her apgars, but the first set wasn't so hot. She had a crazy-big conehead too.

So in some ways everything went right -- my midwives were amazing, and I am absolutely certain they helped spare me a cesarean, the hospital was really pretty good (although there was some stupid stuff, people yelling PUSH and postpartum take-the-baby-every-fifteen-minutes crap, but nobody forced any procedures on me or treated me with anything other than kindness), and I felt respected, well cared for, and honored the whole time.

On the other hand, the actual medical stuff that went down was pretty scary -- we didn't know if I was having an abruption, I thought I might be hemorrhaging or dying, and the psychological crappiness of the transfer itself (esp. with 911 not being there). It's hard to convey the terror, and then having to make the decision to let them turn on the pitocin so I could go back into labor -- it was really, really hard. (But I did it! Yay me!) On top of the difficulty of what I think was probably a particularly painful labor and birth. (At one point I had two midwife hands in my vagina along with my baby's head. It got her turned, but YOW.)

Now I'm pregnant again, and I'm really not sure what to do. I'm going to visit with that wonderful midwife on Thursday and see what she thinks about all of it -- but I also want to be more clear in my own head. On one hand, I absolutely believe in the safety and awesomeness of homebirth, and I love the one-on-one care you get from a small midwifery practice, how well you get to know each other. I hate the idea of having to go somewhere in labor. I'm okay with not having pain relief immediately accessible (shoot, if I can have THAT birth...) I love and respect the midwives I used last time, and have known them for years.

On the other hand, I wonder if I would be worrying the whole time about..."When will we transfer? Do we have to transfer for this? How about this?" I wonder if I wouldn't really settle into staying put and just being present. I also know that I'd be at least 45 minutes away from any homebirth midwife's privilege hospital, and that if there were a transfer from home, I'd be headed into a pretty intervention-happy hospital.

The birth center is midwife-run, and I'm not sure how many are on staff. They're across the street from a hospital where they have privileges, and while I'm not crazy about the hospital, it would likely be less awful than the closest one to my home. The birth center itself has a pretty good reputation; everyone I know who's used it has been pretty happy with it.

Sadly, it's not an option to plan a hospital birth w/ the previous midwives -- there's no chance insurance would cover it, and we really don't have the money to pay out of pocket for that.

I don't really know what I think about all this. I'm afraid I'll either talk myself into a homebirth that I'm not comfortable with, or talk myself out of a homebirth that could be really great.

What say you, internet?
post #2 of 13
i have no good advice, i just wanted to bump this up for you.
i think my first instinct would be to plan for a bc birth to allay my (justifiable) fears...and then i would worry the entire time that my fears would become self-fulfilling prophecy and feel i should definitely have opted for the homebirth to "prove" to the universe that i still trusted in birth because that might just get me the easy birth i was hoping for...but like i said, that's not advice.
would you be using your previous mw for a hb? how about for the birth center? if one mw could attend you at either location, maybe a more practical solution would be to hire your midwife and just live with the pregnancy a while longer, work on releasing your fears, and decide in another couple of months. plan financially for the most expensive option, and if it turns out that the cheaper option starts feeling right, bonus! extra money!
good luck in making your decision.
post #3 of 13
I think you would regret not trying for the homebirth. If you get in the moment and start worrying about transfer and feel like its holding you up, move to the hospital then, hopefully catching it soon enough to go to the better one.
post #4 of 13
I would go for the route of less intervetion first. The first baby is the toughest, it's very likely that baby will be in a different position and that your labor will progress in a completely different fashion.

I've heard of many women who have had long, drawn out labors with their first due to baby being posterior, to go on to have very short 3-4 hour labors with subsequent children. It's very good that you were able to avoid the cesarean, to me it sounds like the situation that you dealt with is unlikely to be repeated.
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by babyjelly View Post
i think my first instinct would be to plan for a bc birth to allay my (justifiable) fears...and then i would worry the entire time that my fears would become self-fulfilling prophecy and feel i should definitely have opted for the homebirth to "prove" to the universe that i still trusted in birth because that might just get me the easy birth i was hoping for...but like i said, that's not advice.
...but it's pretty much exactly how I imagine things going down. Heh. I totally feel like I have something to prove to the universe.



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would you be using your previous mw for a hb? how about for the birth center?
For a homebirth, I'd use the previous midwifery practice. For the birth center, you use their midwives. If I go for the hb mw, I'd have to start paying out of pocket right away; with the birth center, it's all covered. Hmm. Maybe I'll go with the birth center just for prenatal care, and leave myself open to switching later?

Eh. I still don't know what to do. Thanks, mamas, for your comments. I love to hear what other people think about this.
post #6 of 13
start with the birth center and then pray or meditate on it. find out when the latest is that you could switch to your homebirth midwives and let that be your deadline. if you end up choosing your birth center try to labor at home as long as you can and then let yourself be the one choosing to go to the center. choosing to go versus a medical indication to go while in transition and dehydrated and stressed to the max are two very different things. you are still early and have plenty of time to think on this and come up with a solution that feels comfortable for you.
post #7 of 13
It sounds like the trouble all started with trying to get babe out with a "deadline". Babe simply wasn't ready yet. Can you find someone who will work with you as far as that goes? Perhaps even fudging your dates *now* to ensure a grace period.
post #8 of 13
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Well, my daughter wasn't quite postmature (clinically), but the placenta, reported by all who saw it, was getting kind of old. (Someone actually said, "Yeah, I wouldn't wanna eat THAT one.") I am a big believer in letting babies go to their own natural date, but in this case I think that to wait much longer might have been veering into somewhat sketchy territory (in this particular case). She definitely was getting beyond the "fully cooked" stage, you know?

We fudged the dates as far as we could, but I always have a lot of early ultrasounds (history of ectopic) so there's only so far you can get. In NJ CNMs have their protocols, and there's not much they can do about them -- they can lose their OB backup and ability to practice. It sucks but whaddayagonnado.

* * * * * * *

After a lot of thought, and a meeting with my midwife, I've decided to go for a homebirth. It'll have to be a different practice (different state, insurance reasons), but yay! I feel very good about it.
post #9 of 13
I think you obviously need to try to think about what you're comfortable with and not try to prove anything to anyone. So all our advice is just towards "thinking it through". If you have a lot of trust in your midwives, which it sounds like you do, I would see if you could schedule an appt to go over the previous experience and discuss your fears.

In terms of the homebirth and transfer fears: it sounds like you had a pretty specific situation that led to the transfer that is not likely to recur. I.e., not linked to a genetic issue. For ex., if I had a baby at home who it turned out had a heart defect that needed emergency attention at birth and there was a genetic link than I'd be having my next baby in a hospital with a top-notch NICU and pediatric heart surgeons. But yours sounds like baby late-term, needed to get out, induction exacerbated problems and you needed to transfer - seems like that would be different. One option is to plan a homebirth but arrange that if you go to 42 weeks again or there was any real need for induction then go to the hospital for the birth - just to be on the safe side, b/c that's the situation most likely to bring your fears back to the surface and where you might likely need hospital attention.

Good luck with your decision. I'm doing my first homebirth and I definitely fear/hate the possibility of transfer so I imagine how hard it must be for you. Sounds like you have awesome midwives though and that's a big factor.

One other thing - from what I've seen in NYC, birth center transfer rates are double or triple homebirth transfer rates. That would be a concern for me with the birth center.
post #10 of 13
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What say you, internet?
My first birth story is EXTREMELY similar to yours, and I went on to have a beautiful HB with my second. That experience was NOTHING like my first.

First of all, baby was properly positioned so I had no excruciating back labor. And it was short - 5 hours.

I did have shoulder dystocia after his head came out, but, he was big (10 lb. 2 oz., 15 1/4" head) and luckily I had a very experienced MW who knew exactly what to do.

So, it was a wonderful experience that went a long way toward healing the pain and trauma of my emergency transfer birth.

Have faith in HB - your body can do it. And hey, you can always go to the hospital if you really needed to. The hospital's not going anywhere, yk?
post #11 of 13
HI there...I just wanted to chim in because I really know where you are coming from. I had an awful time delivering my son and when we transferred, an even worse time. (I know I am pregnant because when I just typed that, tears fell from my eyes). I have had a lot of ptsd from my birth and really bad ppd following because I had planned and desired my homebirth so badly and it didn't work out. To top it off, we were treated terribly at the hospital. All that said, I am pregnant again, as previously stated, and I am more determined than ever to have my baby at home. The first thing I would tell you is to not allow any interventions at all...castor oil, stripping of membranes, etc... That baby will come when it's ready whether at 36 weeks or 43 weeks! I think that will alleviate alot of your problems...maybe he came too soon! I don't know...I feel that way with my son. I got really sick which induced my labor sooner than I think he was ready which caused all of my problems. I truly believe it...so this time, I am going to just stay home and veg when it gets close and just focus really hard on my birth expectations! I also think that there is no regret in trying. Do your best and if you have to transport, you will have a healthy baby and in the end, that is all that matters. Midwives here in NC have no hospital privilage unless they are a hospital CNM so my midwife does have a DR. back-up but he is 2 hours from us. In the event of transport, we go to the crappy town hospital. So I know how you feel about it but at the same time, ridding your whole experience this time of intervention, as natural and minimal as they may be, will probably be the best idea. And you know how long your labor tend to be so if no progress after a substantially yet safe time, transport to the hospital your midwife has privilage at. That's my suggestion! I just know the moment I stepped foot in the hospital, my focus and attention to my body and labor was gone and I hated that feeling and I commend you because I don't know how you stayed so strong in that environment...major kuddos!!! So here is the link to our birth story and all that happened www.totsites.com/tot/3seawell under the journal section maybe three entries down.
Hope this help some...
Kristina

I also wanted to say that watching "The Business of Being Born" and other amazing homebirth videos has been such an encouragement to me and really instilled in me that I can do it this time. I think when you have a difficult birth the next one tends to be a time of healing and I hope that's what you find with this one! I know that is what I am hoping to have!!! Good luck and I will be praying for you...
post #12 of 13
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Ah, you guys are awesome. Thank you for the understanding and encouragement.

Part of what I was having a hard time with was the very idea that I was considering something besides a homebirth -- but I've given myself permission to work through my fears, and am feeling a lot more calm and strong about the whole thing. Homebirth feels right again, and that's a nice place to be.
post #13 of 13
I would just plan for all three so you can go with whichever feels best at the time. It seems that with the exception of 911 not answering, your transfer was successful despite how scary it might have felt at the time.
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