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post #701 of 849
I would really appreciate it if you guys would weigh in on this, as you know I've been wrestling with this issue.

When I was at the hospital yesterday my OB came in to talk to me. He said to come in for the pain relief when I need to, worst case scenario Lucien would be born and go through withdrawal and need to stay at the hospital a couple days longer than me.
Then we talked about a tubal ligation during the section and he said "but what if something happens and lucien doesn't make it through the next week"
Clearly he's a worst case scenario thinker.

With regards to the Demerol I spoke with the nurse and she said the same as everyone else I've talked to, if I don't abuse it and only use it when I need to, the chances of Lucien being addicted are low. And that I must weigh the risk with the benefit.

You can take this next part however you choose to. I have a friend, she's a very gifted psychic, she told me I was pregnant before I could tell her. She also told me it was a boy and that he'd be born a Scorpio. She has her masters degree in counselling and probably knows more about pharmacology than a pharmacist. She told me that she strongly feels that Lucien is not addicted given the amount and frequency that I've used it and that my stress about it stresses him as well.

I slept last night and it's given me the strength to cope with the pain today. During the last hour or so the pain is escalating to maximum limits and I'm considering going in for some pain relief to sleep.
post #702 of 849
Congrats Selena!

Sage...I understand how hard it can be to weigh the risks and benefits of various meds. We're in the middle of that too. You do not have very many days left (less than one week!) so I guess I would say do what you need to do to get through these last days. Or talk to your doctor about moving your c-section up from Thursday to earlier in the week?

I'm back on mag...again. We're trying one more time at a lower dose and then I think we'll turn it off again in the morning. I've been able to sleep and eat and I feel much more prepared to handle whatever will come when we turn the mag off. Hopefully I'll get to go home for a little while. I'm trying to be prepared, at least emotionally, for whatever. Somtimes I'm okay, sometimes this is crazy hard. Tonight I'm really frustrated aobut how hard it is for our family. I wish I could just be here and focus on keeping baby inside, but there's a lot to worry about out there. I'm not sure how to balance the two.
post #703 of 849
Sara I know about the worries distracting you from this one, I'm in that boat too, though no where near as severely. I think whatever is happening at home though, it takes second fiddle to keeping this little one in as long as possible, everyone else will eventually be ok and you will be there to help but for now this is your job, trust that everyone else will do theirs. I know its really really hard.

Sage do what you need to stay sane. Your doctor is a bit of an alarmist I think, that's ok just know that is where he's coming from. If he thinks harm is going to come to Lucien what does he think about moving the surgery up? Obviously a little more time to bake wouldn't hurt the boy...so it is a balance but if he's so concerned than he should think of that option perhaps? Its just a little longer, hang in there.
post #704 of 849
Congratulations Selena!!! :
post #705 of 849
Sage, that's a hard situation, and I'm sorry you're in that position. Honestly, I think you should take the pain medicine. I know your doctor is concerned about the risks and a worst case scenario, but I really feel like he's being extreme on this one. I think as mothers we all have to take calculated risks. But in the big scheme of things, you can do everything perfectly and still having something go terribly wrong, or you do all kinds of wrong things and still have a perfect baby. My understanding is that at this stage in the game, the concern for the baby is respiratory distress (at least this is what my ob and I discussed today as I asked her for another prescription for my own PSD pain) unlike say in the first trimester where you have major organ and brain development.

I have to say that I agree with your friend, in that I think when you are stressed, the baby is stressed too. I really have felt lately that when I'm in so much pain, there must be some sort of chemical reaction in my body that is harmful to the baby, just like we know stress hormones are bad. Not that anyone has done studies on this (I don't know--maybe they have) but I think that the chemicals our bodies produce when we're in pain and under stress can be just as potent as the chemicals we put into it to relieve that. I really think that can't be good for the baby at all.

I know it's not an ideal situation, but I really think you should do what you need to do to make it to delivery. You're so close now--I just can't believe that the amount of demerol you've taken and the way you'd been judicious about using it has caused any real harm and danger to Lucien. I know you've always used it as a last resort, but I think that's appropriate. I just don't think that using it to get you through this last week is that huge of a risk. Obviously I'm not a doctor or a medical professional, but if the other nurses and professionals you've spoken to feel that you've been using the medication appropriately, I would go with that.
post #706 of 849
Sage,

I'm a thread lurker but thought I'd weigh in.

It sounds like you need sleep more than anyone I know right now. You've now got one week where you can lose more and go more crazy with it or not go into a further deficit. My concern for you is that you are in such bad shape as it is and with no sleep for another week and then major abdominal surgery followed by caring for a baby, this pregnancy may keep on giving well into the postpartum period with mood problems as your body tries to recover. You can see in my signature I think about that consequence a lot and, in my case, sleep is one of the keys.

We never want to take anything that might affect the baby negatively, but sometimes we run out of those options. With one week left this decision is different now than it would have been three months ago. The potential effects on the baby are declining every day and yet the effects on you are piling up. I would tend to take the meds and get the sleep if the doc is good with that, though that's just mom-to-mom. I have no medical background.

Amanda
post #707 of 849
CONGRATS SELENA!!!!!!!!!!!!! So glad you finally have your little one in your arms!!!!:

Sage, I agree that you should take care of yourself at this point. If you are wearing yourself down too much, you aren't going to be in a good space to get through surgery or a newborn. I would imagine that reducing your stress/anxiety from being sleepless would have a positive effect on Lucien too. And physically getting sleep has to be really beneficial for him too. Yes his body is being exposed to the medication too, but it is also being exposed to whatever else you are going through. Sorry if that makes this sound tougher, but to me it would be all the more reason to take care of myself, and at the same time take care of Lucien too. So I guess my point is that I don't see this decision as exclusively your needs vs. Lucien's needs - I see your needs intertwined. Obviously neither of you would benefit from a Demerol binge for the next week, but if you are using it in response to your body and what it can tolerate, I think that is a healthy choice for both of you. This doctor has been something else this entire pregnancy to you, so I wouldn't let his comments ruffle you much when their are other medical professionals telling you otherwise. I would also trust your friend, if that is what your instincts tell you. People have all sorts of forms of perception, and just because they aren't common doesn't make them less valid. So if you hear what she is saying and it resonates well, I would trust her! Good luck to you! Hang in there!

Sara, hope you can hang in there too! Just take it one day, one activity at a time. At least you know this won't last forever!

Have a good morning everyone!

Christy
post #708 of 849
Thank you so much for your replies and explanations. Most of all for your caring and supportive kindness. I slept last night, for about 6 hours. I nearly cried when I woke up and it was 10 am. I didn't sleep straight through, but enough to really matter. I feel so good right now I just want to get up and walk around and celebrate, but obviously I'm still sitting here, just enjoying this brief period of recharge.
Amanda, that has been a huge concern for me these last few days. I've never been worried about life with a newborn before, but in this condition I'm terrified. I've dealt with depression before and now I work hard to stay as far away from it as I can, its sucked me down into the dark before and just the idea of a possibility of going there again scares the life out of me. Recovery this time is a huge question mark, if I'm a burnt out shell of a person now, what would I be like trying to recover from this PSD, major surgery and a newborn? I get a sick feeling in my stomach.

Sara, I hope you are doing better today. I'm a bit embarassed to say I'm somewhat confused as to what exactly is wrong and why you're getting mag, which I'm assuming is magnesium? Why are your docs not going to let you get to 32 weeks? Ugh, I'm sorry.. I live in a barely there state most of the time, so wrapped up in my own crap I just bob on the surface now and then. Anyways I really do hope you're feeling better today.

Aviva, how you doin? Still kinda bummed? When's your due date? What do you do to fill your days? I got all my winter cards made already and that really helped to pass some time, tho I get kind of obsessive when working on stuff like that, so a project that would normally take a few days at least I finish in a day.

Shelby, how are you feeling? Are you sleeping ok? How far along were you when this started for you? My first time I was 20 weeks. I don't know what state you're in, but Dr. Steve Komadina was very helpful and informed when I talked with him about PSD when I was pregnant with my 3rd daughter. He was the Senator for New Mexico when I saw him up here. LOL... I told you guys I searched and searched for everyone and anyone who could tell me anything about PSD, which turned out to be a long journey to end up with such a short list.

Christy, how are you feeling?

I hope CB is doing well, she doesn't come in anymore and I hope thats a really good sign. I can't wait for the time when I can come in here to support you guys instead of seek out my own venting space.

LOL.. on a totally unrelated note, I've got MTV on right now and my friends video is on. His band, Faber Drive is doing really well. Tongue Tied is on, its a funny video. YouTube it and you might recognize some of thier songs. So cool to be sitting in bed and see your friend on TV.
LOL... even odder is the fact that I think its so cool to see my friend on TV! I see my hubby on TV and movies all the time.. it takes awhile to sink in I think. He doesn't do primary roles, he does stunt work and such, but still very weird to see him there.
post #709 of 849
I'm so annoyed with one midwife at my midwifes office that I'm seriously thinking about leaving there and going with a homebirth after all. I can't even write about it now I'm so irritated.
post #710 of 849
Sara and Sage s

However wanted to post my announcement in the main DDC, i did post in the Nov and Oct where i spent my time.

And we finaly decided on a name Cameron Edward.

haven't had time to write birth story yet. but here is a pic and another
post #711 of 849
I'm doing okay, thanks for asking Sage. This whole thing started around 20 weeks for me too, but for a while it was just my SI joint so it was more manageable. My ob prescribed some tylenol #3 and it doesn't work as well as the vicodin did, but it takes the edge off enough for me to get comfortable. Tomorrow we're going out to buy the glider rocker because I can't get comfortable on the couch and the chair I'm using (a Poang chair from Ikea) I really love but just isn't padded enough. It sucks to have my mobility so limited though.

How are you doing?
post #712 of 849
My water broke! I'm laying here in the hospital waiting on the doctors and nurses...we are probably having baby boy in the coming hours or days. I'm scared...
post #713 of 849
Oh wow Sara! Sending tons of good vibes your way! :
post #714 of 849
Oh Sara, don't be scared! Your baby will be great! Here's sending you some short, easy labor vibes mama! Let us know how it goes ok?

I am no good. I think I'll be going in for pain relief nightly until he's born. I need all the rest and strength I can muster for recovery and life with a newborn.
post #715 of 849
Hey Sara! Things will be OK! Good luck to you on an easy labor and meeting a strong and determined little one soon!

Sage, glad you got some rest!

Aviva, feel free to vent in more detail! Hope things improve or you get your homebirth!

AFM, I am fine. Lots of contractions the last few days, but nothing regular enough to be concerned. They are uncomfortable though, which is odd since mine were't too uncomfortable last labor until transition. Headed to a Naked Lady Party soon, and very excited! (No naked ladies! It is basically where you take a bunch of stuff you want to get rid of, we spread it out in someone's basement, then you take what you want home with you. Everything left over is donated, and everyone is bringing food to donate to a local food bank since this one is near the holidays.) Last NLP at this house I gave away all of my maternity clothes, and the woman that took them is done and bringing all of her maternity stuff back. I am hoping to see some of my old favorites! DH is thrilled that we have a TON of stuff to get rid of. Now the trick is just sneaking the toys past the kids on the way out!

Have a good morning everyone!

Christy
post #716 of 849
SARAH!!!
youve done such a great job to this point, youve been all over your pregnancy and youre going to do GREAT!!!!! keep breathing!!!!

lots of love to all you gals dealing with more than the usual pain. that has so got to suck.

erica so sorry about the midwife. its so uncool for them to fall down at the end. i hope you find a solution that feels great to you.

christie your party sounds like a HOOT!

had a great appt this week, bedrest lifting slowly so i can get into a bit of a groove before baby comes. baby looks great, i feel great other than the usual aches and pains and indignities. (how come i cant get all the damn pee out... EVER????)
post #717 of 849
Holly I have to stand almost bent in half to let that last little bit out.

Sarah I know you must be scared, but you made it so far that he has a great chance of complete success...he got the steroids a few days ago now, and you are in a good place. I'm sending strong lungs and body vibes for the little guy...did you decide on Zephan? Be strong little guy, mommy is waiting for you!

Sage, ugh, but only a bit longer. Hold on.

I'm better, I talked to my primary midwife and she's going to have a group meeting so everyone is more on the same page.
post #718 of 849
post #719 of 849
Great belly shot Erica! I need to take another one.

Sara, if you're reading--I'm thinking of you!

Christy, that party sounds like a great idea. Although actually what I would need to do is take stuff there and NOT take anything home .
post #720 of 849
I posted this in my Nov DDC but I wanted to share with you guys... I'm so touched.

My husband is a big guy, he's 6'4, been bodybuilding since he was 14. He's an all sport jock and has been the MVP for every sport he's every played, which is all of them. He's now a stunt man, a "manly" man.
But he's also sensitive and caring and loving and the most amazing father to our daughters; he's silly with them, lets them do his hair adding 40+ hair clips to his hair.

He's the oldest and only boy, he has 6 younger sisters. He was raised by a single mother.
I have one sister and we were raised by a single mother. We have three daughters.

Tonight he was washing some baby clothes we were given and he walked into our bedroom, holding this dark blue sleeper, hands shaking and tears rolling down his face. He looked at me and said "we're going to have a son" He held the sleeper up by the under arms as if there were a baby in it, then buried his face and cried into it. He inhaled the smell of it as if our son were already in it, then held it up in front of his face again, and cried again.

I said, "Baby, did you just realize we're going to have a son?" and he said that tonight is the first time he'd let himself believe it. He sat on our bed beside me and just kept crying and saying "my son, our son, our baby boy" holding this sleeper.

I love my husband.
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