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post #21 of 37
Personally, my dauighter is getting her first doll for Christmas. It will come with a bottle. I mean, I will buy a bottle for it even if it doesn't have one. And ya know what? Then I'm going to do surgery on her doll! Yep, read it right. I will cut it open and give her baby a super tube just like hers. Because I'm happy when DD associates food as a good thing in anyway. Her dolls now (leftovers from others) all get nursed, or tube fed, and occasionally they get a bottle (one of hers as the originals are probably long lost). JUst like her. And yet I have absolutely no fear that my daughter will not nurse. She comes from a strong line of nursing women, and sees it as being just as normal as getting her milk through her tubey or through a bottle. Her having a toy bottle won't "normalize" anything other than who she is as a child...a tube-fed child with special needs. And yeajh, I am happy to normalize that experience for her. Apparently since shes allergic to food protein through breastmilk I should make her feel ABnormal according to some, but personally, I know I'll go a long ways towards raising an emotionally and physically healthy child with a strong sense of self who is more likely to breastfeed by making her reality as normal as a possible. I don't think excluding one of the ways she (And possibly baby to be if they have her medical issues as well) is fed will change her likelihood to BF or not BF.
post #22 of 37
Kerri -

if I were in your shoes, I would be doing the same thing for my kiddo - i.e. represent her experience in her play things. you are taking personal offense when people are talking about a societal issue. we want to normalize breastfeeding in a culture that values artificial feeding over breastfeeding. your situation is unique. if everyone on earth had to combo breast, bottle and/or tube feed their kids, then, of course we'd want that available in children's play. however, it's not the case. and AUTOMATICALLY having bottles come with dolls cements the association that babies mean bottles, right off the bat. I know it seems silly or weird to us, but there are people out there who don't even consider nursing their babies. it doesn't occur to them as an option for whatever reason. and, IMO, it's the social conditioning. SO. no, we're not trying to make your daughter feel abnormal and to villianize bottlefeeding. we're just trying to make breastfeeding the go-to cultural norm from which special situations would deviate (e.g. infant adoptions, low supply not from mis-information/management, weaning for medical reasons, severe allergies like your daughter, etc) instead of formula/bottlefeeding being the norm from which us freaky hippies who nurse our kids for more than 6wks deviate.

And, not to be weird, but your daughter DOES have an abnormal feeding situation. She, herself, shouldn't feel like she is weird and abnormal as a human; but, realistically and honestly, her SITUATION is abnormal. I don't think you are advocating for the cultural normalization of tubefeeding as THE go-to method to feed babies, right? That's all that we're talking about here.
post #23 of 37
Well I have boys but my oldest is 5 and just this weekend he was playing that he was the daddy and baby brother (2 years) was the baby and he wanted to give him milk from his "pimples" I had to explain that boys don't give milk from their nipples just momma's but that momma can pump some milk for the daddy and put it in a bottle so Daddy can feed the baby too.

I want my boy's to know breast milk is the norm BUT I also want them too know that it can come straight from the source or be put in a bottle so that they don't feel that breast feeding has to be a all or nothing deal. I want them to see the whole picture I guess. My kiddo's know where babies get their milk from in our home from me the momma.
post #24 of 37
Well since my dd was bottle fed and breastfed doing both are normal for her so I don't get rid of the bottles. She still pretends to breastfeed babies. Plus the bottles keep her entertained by turning them upside down and watching the milk disappear. She'll sit still for 20 min doing that.
post #25 of 37
Ds never mentioned it with his dolls and never bothered with the bottles that came with them, he just nursed them!

Dd, however, had to go to daycare a lot younger than ds did so bottles were a part of her daily life. She did have ds to tell her that ALL babies with bottles have mummy milk in them though. Now that she's a bit older and hasn't had bottles in well over a year, she uses her toy bottles to give her dolls water. If they "need" milk then she nurses them.

I do understand the point of removing the bottles and objecting to them. It does bug me that it's so normalized in the western world to have baby + bottle, but I also know that it's part of a lot of babies' lives regardless of whether they're breastfed so I haven taken the bottles that come with dolls away from my kids.

If they get a doll that doesn't come with a bottle then I'd certainly never go out and buy one.
post #26 of 37
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Originally Posted by spedteacher30 View Post
well, my son nurses his babies, and his animals, and his trains

We don't have any bottles, but i wouldn't be opposed to them being there either. He knows that babies (and big boys!) eat na-na, but he also knows that sometimes babies get bottles since he goes to daycare. he rarely took a bottle, but he did drink lots of pumped breastmilk from cups starting when he was six months old.
This.

I work full time and had to back to work within two weeks of each birth. Both girls have had pumped-bottled BM, so I see nothing wrong with bottles coming with baby dolls.
post #27 of 37
[QUOTE=spedteacher30;11474859]well, my son nurses his babies, and his animals, and his trains

/QUOTE]

adorable!
post #28 of 37
Okay, I understand the issue here with bottles normalizing bottle-feeding babies. But, it bothers me quite a bit when I hear mamas making cracks like, "My child will NOT have bottles for her babies. That is not okay..." Here's why:

BFF's second child was born with cleft lip and pallate. BFF tried so hard to nurse her, but she just gagged it back through her nose. BFF turned to pumping and bottlefeeding. So, we are out and about and BFF (who is my mentor as far as AP/BF/NFL/ etc goes) timidly breaks out dd's bottle. She feels *badly* that she is bottle-feeding her child breastmilk! Why? Because she is adament that babies be nursed, and has the same trouble with mamas resorting to formula that we all have. BUT, she has to bottle feed her LO, so she feels she has to explain herself to any and all onlookers.
It is a shame that the bottle is so associated with formula. It is a shame that so many of us assume that bottle=formula=bad. I bottle-feed EBM to my childcare baby all the time. I am so proud his mama pumps for him still at 16 months. She rocks! I enjoy bottle-feeding him, as does my dd. She has a bottle for one of her many babies, and occasionally she will bottle feed her baby "Mommy's milk." She also nurses. I think her choices are perfectly healthy and normal.

I just wish there wasn't this assumption about bottles. I really do.

ETA: Unless the baby comes with a tiny pretend can of Similac, I will bet my dd will just assume it's EBM. She doesn't really know it any other way...
post #29 of 37
I wish that dolls came with a toy pump! LOL! My DD used to pretend to pump all the time when I was still working. She would set up the tubes and put the tubes to her chest and "pump," without using any horns.

When I buy dolls for my children, I search for dolls that come without bottles. The last doll we bought came with a stroller and an extra change of clothes (my DD2 is somewhat obsessed with strollers at the moment). It also came with a pacifier. But no bottle.

However, I'm not opposed to bottles since both my girls got bottles for approximately 8 months or so during their infancy while I was working. If I allow one of my DDs to select a doll, I'll encourage her to choose a doll that doesn't come with a bottle, but if she chooses one that comes with one and has her heart set on it, I'll allow the purchase. The most recent such purchase occured after Christmas this year when we received a gift card for my DDs. I allowed DD1 to choose whatever doll she wanted, and she chose this heinous doll. But since she was calling it by name the second she saw it, I knew she wasn't going to change her mind no matter how much I tried to persuade her otherwise. So she got the doll she wanted. I don't throw out bottles either, but I don't have many bottles, either, and my kids usually prefer to nurse their babies anyway.
post #30 of 37
First, I take no personal offense to someone else not giving their children bottles ot play with.* I just think that this isn't the issue its made out to be.* And I do take offense to anyone calling my child abnormal.* She is not.* I wouldn't let anyone call her brother abnormal even though he is not neuro-typical, and I won't allow it for my DD.* It implies that something is wrong with ehr, and while medically she has issues, I don't want her growing up with that chp on her shoulder...I've seen what it does to a kid to feel that way, and I'd prefer society stop thinking of everything in terms of whether it fits within some neat little box.*

Now as for baby bottles, I've never had them given to us with dolls, and DS has received a few dolls.* ANd they don't concern me for my children.* Yeah sure, maybe the FF toddler down the block whose parents never expose them to BFing and then give them babies with bottles will get this connotation, but frankly, that connotation was built in by the parents long before the baby bottles were played with, and will be reiterated long after baby play is no longer cool.* Don't get me wrong, every baby doesn't need to come with a bottle, but at the same time, I don't have a problem with my children being exposed to bottles.* Hey, DS pumps, and nurses - He knows he got milk both ways.* I don't have to try to censor his play in order to make him BFing friendly as I laid that groundwork 3.5 years ago on the day I started nursing him
post #31 of 37
I don't have a DD but if I ever do I will be getting rid of bottles that come with dolls. I've already found myself putting up books that have babies drinking from bottles. I just don't think it is a necessary toy.
post #32 of 37
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Originally Posted by angelcat View Post
Yep.


I had bottles for my dolls, and I also pretended to nurse them. (well, when my dad wasn't around). I just assumed women nursed thier babies-that was normal in my world, and how my mom taught me.
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I agree. I remember one of those "magic" bottles where the milk/juice disappears when you tip it was one of my favorite toys. I also formula fed ALOT of babies when I was babysitting starting at 11. I don't think a single one of them was breastfed. But, I have to say, I wasn't thinking of any of that when it was time to decide how to feed my baby. And, I never even considered formula feeding my kids.

BTW, I bought a doll the other day and one a while ago at target and neither of them came with bottles. We have two other dolls (one given to us and one purchased at toys r us) and neither of them have bottles. That wasn't our deciding factor in buying them (although I do confess I thought about it when I was looking) so it must not be too hard to find dolls without bottles.
post #33 of 37
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Originally Posted by lacysmommy View Post
When I buy dolls for my children, I search for dolls that come without bottles. The last doll we bought came with a stroller and an extra change of clothes (my DD2 is somewhat obsessed with strollers at the moment). It also came with a pacifier.
Weren't you afraid the doll would get nipple confusion if DD gave it a pacifier???
post #34 of 37
DD adores giving her dolls bottles, but knows the difference between her dolls and a real baby, and she knows that real babies nurse. It was just never an issue in our house. She also likes to stuff everyone full of play-food donuts, but won't eat a real donut. Same diff. to me
post #35 of 37
I break into the boxes and throw them out. My kids wouldn't know what to do with a baby bottle/doll set LOL.
post #36 of 37
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Originally Posted by gini1313 View Post
Weren't you afraid the doll would get nipple confusion if DD gave it a pacifier???
I was concerned at first, but I advised my girls to let the dolls nurse exclusively for at least two weeks before introducing the pacifier. :
post #37 of 37
My kids' dolls actually didn't come with bottles, but they have a few my mom bought them. It's not my biggest issue . They do nurse their babies though.
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