when formula becomes necessary - which one? - Page 2

[SleepyMamaBear]

do you consider Belgium third world?
and the bacteria was living IN the formula...
http://www.ibfan.org/english/news/pr...ss10may02.html
or the uk?
http://nutraingredients.com/news/ng....65&n=dh155&ec=
or the US?
http://www.nationalreviewofmedicine....ture08_14.html
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwR/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5114a1.htm

[khanni]

Here's the link to request the scoop: http://www.naturesone.com/contact.ph...st%20a%20Scoop

[prettypixels]

I recommend you check out http://www.mobimotherhood.org, there are LCs there who will answer your questions, and the support is amazing!

I think it very unlikely that an LC could tell *just by looking* at your breasts. I heard from several LCs that that is a really unreliable method.

We use Similac organic ready to feed.



Hang in there mama. I had/have drastically low supply and SNS'd through about 5 months when I gave up. Well I taught my baby to love nursing and she STILL NURSES now at 18 months old! Woot! I am so glad that I stuck it out even though it was so hard. It's amazing to have her reach for my breast and giggle with pleasure. What you are doing is worth it.

[avent]

I used Horizon organic when I needed to supplement my son, in the beginning. I think they've stopped making it. Later, when I found out more about traditional foods, I made my own formula:

http://www.westonaprice.org/children/recipes.html

Note there's also a recipe on that page to fortify commercial formula.

I would recommend looking into milk sharing, too.

[PingPong'sMom]

khanni
Quote:
Originally Posted by PingPong'sMom
Also learned (I think it was safemama.com?) that powdered formula in cans has a higher risk of BPA exposure than liquid, if that helps.
This is actually the exact opposite: "The highest concentrated consumption of BPA comes from ready-to-eat formula in cans, because it is not diluted with water and has the most surface contact with the epoxy." (from Z recommends). Here's a report: http://www.ewg.org/babysafe

For BPA info for Baby's Only: http://www.naturesone.com/dairy-faq.php
end quote

I understand the ready to eat liquid is full of BPA when bought in metal cans. The formula I buy is in a #2 bottle not a metal can. Any more thoughts on this would be great! Thanks!

[RoadWorkAhead]

First, formula from powder that is prepared correctly (Boiling water) is not a danger. The problem is poor mixing, particulalrly in an at risk gut.

Second, if I had to suppliment for reasons like yours, I would probably try to get a hypoallergenic product like Alimentum or Nutramigen, but the cost is prohibitive for most. But I am biased as we have a history now of food alelrgies and issues and Alimentum seems cheap when I compare it to DDs 33$ a can, 19 cans a month of Elecare.

Third, all but alimentum RTF contain corn, and corn syrup solids will be a main ingredient in most every formula. Its the nature of the beast.

[pdxmomazon]

pumping at the keys...my supply is low too. we are using donated human milk when we can and making homemade goatsmilk formula when we don't have donated milk.

http://askdrsears.com/html/3/t032400.asp

follow the link for a recipe or....

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/3/t032401.asp

fwiw- we use the fresh goatsmilk, not the powdered.

[jayell79]

Originally Posted by AddysMama

do you consider Belgium third world?
and the bacteria was living IN the formula...
http://www.ibfan.org/english/news/pr...ss10may02.html
or the uk?
http://nutraingredients.com/news/ng....65&n=dh155&ec=
or the US?
http://www.nationalreviewofmedicine....ture08_14.html
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwR/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5114a1.htm

Yes I remember a few formula recalls several years ago. I haven't heard anything recently. However, that doesn't hold a candle to how many other children's products have hundreds of recalls lately. It's hard to keep on top of them all.

[DocsNemesis]

Just wanted to chime in. I'm planning on using the Natures One Organic when my ds needs supplementing (long story, ugh), but out of curiosity I started reading about different formula's and how they taste.

Apparently the verdict is-Enfamil tastes like crap. I've tasted it too and ewwww....no wonder my dd refused to drink it even at 2 days old! lol And apparently Similac is the sweetest and better tasting...but then doesnt that mean a lot of sweetener? So then, whats the better of the two-nasty formula your baby refuses to eat or sugar infused formula that they love? I wish there was just some miracle formula out there....

[khanni]

I've only ever used 2 formulas for my kids: Horizon and Nature's One Baby's Only. I've never had trouble with either, and I think they both taste okay. Horizon is now Earth's Best and is supposed to be one of the worse ones for BPAs. I swirched to Nature's One with my first child when Horizon sold their formula to Earth's Best, and I've been very happy with it for both kids.

[justthinkn]

I hope this isn't too intimidating for OP - not that it's not all good info, just : Makes me glad I've had very little choice b/c of food sensitivities!!

[khanni]

dollyanna, did you find something that works?

[dollyanna]

Thanks - I did get the Babys Only and she's been mostly eating that for the last few days. I ordered the scoops and hopefully they get here soon! I think it was just the Enfamil that was really making her gassy. Too bad, since I have like 4 coupons! I do have some reservations about Baby's only since the first ingredient is brown rice syrup instead of some milk-derived product and that seems a little weird to me, but it's better than corn syrup and it's way cheaper than the earth's best.

The baby gained a lot of weight last week (yay!) so now LC has me back to trying to wean her off the forumula as much as I can. At least this time I have a rented scale at home so I'll be able to tell sooner if she's losing weight again. She also had me order dom - hopefully it gets here soon and I can get some positive impact from it.

[thepeach80]

Originally Posted by AddysMama

please dont feed young babies formula made from powdered formula. there have been newborns who have died because of bacterias lurking in the powder. babies under 3 months old should be receiving human milk, or ready to eat formula.

This is all well and good and I'm glad you were able to do this. The formula my children need does not come in a RTF, it only comes in powder and donor milk is NOT an option.

[melanyh]

question about natures one (baby's only):

i really wanted to use it (low supply issues, bad PPD, death of my kitty ... poor coping, all conspiring ... ) but know it doesn't have dha/ara, but they sell a supplement to add. okay, but on another board a woman noted that the amount is so tiny compared to those like enfamil, similac, etc. she seemed pretty keen on that 17mg dosage and i admit i dont know much about dosages of dha/ara -- or if it's REALLY even that big an issue. i know some folks AVOID those additives.

anyone have any answers or research?

[leila1213]

Originally Posted by avent

http://www.westonaprice.org/children/recipes.html

Note there's also a recipe on that page to fortify commercial formula.

I would recommend looking into milk sharing, too.

milkshare.yahoo.com

I haven't read all the posts but cod liver is what I would use for EFA supplementation. Search on www.westonaprice.org for info on dosage, etc.

[MaryJaneLouise]

I just wanted to remind everyone here of the option of donor milk.

Milkshare is a good resource:

http://milkshare.birthingforlife.com/

Some people find donors through MDC by posting an in search of in their geographical "find your tribe" area. Others have found contacts through a LLL, local birth center, midwife, or BF friendly physician, or even Craig's List .

[dollyanna]

Originally Posted by melanyh

question about natures one (baby's only):

i really wanted to use it (low supply issues, bad PPD, death of my kitty ... poor coping, all conspiring ... ) but know it doesn't have dha/ara, but they sell a supplement to add. okay, but on another board a woman noted that the amount is so tiny compared to those like enfamil, similac, etc. she seemed pretty keen on that 17mg dosage and i admit i dont know much about dosages of dha/ara -- or if it's REALLY even that big an issue. i know some folks AVOID those additives.

anyone have any answers or research?

Oh yeah - I wondered the same thing. Also, I wondered if the tiny bit of breastmilk she's getting from me might be enough since I'm taking a supplement...

[khanni]

From Cornucopia Institute (re dha in formula): http://cornucopia.org/index.php/infa...ethical-cloud/

While FDA officials had previously noted studies that reported diarrhea, flatulence, jaundice, and apnea in infants fed DHA/ARA-supplemented formula, they nevertheless did not block the use of the oils. That action gave the green light for infant formula manufacturers to add the oils to formula. Today, Martek boasts that 90% of formula in the U.S. contains its patented DHA- and ARA-containing oils.


from kellymom on dha in formula: http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/mi...-comments.html

other sites:
http://ncksub.blogspot.com/2008/05/b...nked-with.html
http://www.zimbio.com/Breastfeeding/...rbing+news+DHA
http://www.commondreams.org/news2008/0415-01.htm


The below is copied from the baby's only site, so keep that in mind: http://www.naturesone.com/dairy.php

Baby’s Only Organic® Toddler Formulas do not contain C. cohnii oil (algae) & M. alpina oil (fungus) used in organic infant formulas, which are treated with hexane solvent, acid, and bleach. Parents should be aware of the following:

In 2001, US infant formula manufacturers began adding a novel source of DHA and ARA that is manufactured by Martek Biosciences Corp. This DHA is derived from strains of algae; the ARA is manufactured using a non-toxigenic soil fungus. In 2006, organic infant formula companies began promoting their use of this same ingredient. The following is the manufacturing process described by Martek:

“The oil is then separated from the dried biomass by hexane extraction and centrifugation and/or filtration, followed by winterization. The hexane phase undergoes additional centrifugation/filtration to remove solids then the winterized oil is heated and treated with acid. Subsequently, the oil is treated with caustic, centrifuged, bleached and deodorized.”

Earth’s Best®, the Wal-Mart® Brand, and Similac® Organic are lower in the essential fatty acid, Linoleic Acid; the Alpha-Linolenic fatty acid composition is lower or not stated on the formula labels. These precursor fats are important for the body to convert to DHA & ARA and are critical to brain and eye retina development. In fact, the makers of Similac supported a study1 comparing breast fed infants to three formulas described below:

A formula containing no added DHA & ARA, but contained higher levels of linoleic acid and alpha-linolenic acid similar to Baby’s Only Organic® Toddler Formula.
Two formulas supplemented with synthetic DHA and ARA that contained lower levels of linoleic and alpha-linolenic acid.

The results of this study did NOT support adding synthetic DHA & ARA to formula that contained the higher levels of linoleic acid and alpha-linolenic acid. However, Nature's One® recognizes that some babies may not be as efficient at converting linoleic and alpha-linolenic acid and recommends supplementation with Baby's Only Essentials® DHA & ARA. The synthetic DHA & ARA used to supplement Earth's Best®, Wal-Mart’s Brand, and Similac® Organic infant formulas are treated with hexane solvents, acid and bleach during the manufacturing process.

[DocsNemesis]

I have read the same thing. Basically this is something that is a massive open study, unknown to the parents. I can imagine in 10 years, maybe less, maybe more, they'll be saying oh, oops, so we found out this wasnt a good idea...

Anyway...from what I've read, the other fats found in formula are used by the body to make its own DHA/ARA. In other words, a normal baby doesnt need supplementing with artificle DHA or ARA. Also, the Babys Own supplement is produced differently. I guess I'd try the supplement if I was worried about it, but take it back out if baby gets gassy/has loose stools/etc.

I really dont know how much a baby is *supposed* to get, so I cant help there. At the very least, yours would be getting some from your breastmilk and be converting some on her/his own.