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post #281 of 570
Hi all
I got my paraguard removed yesterday after having it for four years. Since I had it inserted 6 weeks after my son's birth, I assumed everything I've been going through was just "the way I am now". I've had most of the symptoms everyone else has had: horrible, horrible PMS, alcohol intolerance (I vomit almost every time I have even one drink), swelling of the belly, anxiety, heart palpitations, 10+ days of spotting and bleeding a month, NO LIBIDO, hair loss, etc.

Instinctively, I've known for awhile that the IUD had to go, but kept it because we don't want more children and I don't want hormonal pills. I'm very eager to see what changes since its been removed. I'll be sure to post an update!
post #282 of 570
Ok I'm about to pour everyword out hoping some one will listen for once & not think I'm crazy jus because I'm 16 .. I got two 7 month old babies (twins) and about 6 months after I had them I fell pregnant again I know stupid ! 'Please don't critisize' well anyway I had an abortion on 11th july n right after I got the copper iud fitted , it was ok at first not the best experiance though , I thought it would be a good birth control to go on because my body don't react well to the pill ect.. But about 2 weeks before I started my pperiod started , BAM! There it was the worst excpiriance of my life! I started getting headaches n burining sensations on one side of my head face, I couldn't concentrate , I got dizzee , really bad headaches , ear pressure nose pressure ' aches pains in my legs and arms , muscle weakness, WORST period cramps EVER! Bad back ache , loss of breath my heart kept feeling like it was coming out my chest, I got worried/anxiety for no reason, I got depression, my eyes kept on going funny I thought I was going insane! The thumb joint kept swelling also chest pain , I thought I was guna die, I went doctors 4 times in 3 weeks rang parademics about 4 times in that space also , anyway when I went doctors they kept brushing it of n ssaid I had ear infection so I thought it would go but it never so I kept goin back and they took blood tests everything came back fine. So I said what about my copper iud .. He lookid at me with a gone out look like I'm mental and said its non hormonal it can't be that, but then I done some research of my own coz I wasn't convinced at all!!, and I found this ! Thank god! So I went and got mine took out the next day (about 10 days ago) and I already feel better!! Some of my symptoms have gone but not many I'm still get fatigue n dizzy sometimes , I was jus wondering has anyone else got neck stiffnes? And shoulder pain n pain near the ribs ? I'm now taking vitamn b complex and a fiew other vitamins to see if they help , has anyone else expereanced this many things with there copper iud? Sorry about the paragraph I just want to know that I'm not alone .innocent.gif
post #283 of 570
Also did anyone ever get little purple looking dots on the belly (not a lot) while having it in? &does anyone know how long it takes to get back to your normal self?
post #284 of 570

Hey everyone!  I don't even know where to start... This is my first time posting here.  This topic is a big enough issue to me that I joined this board to respond to this thread after looking up "Copper IUD Side Effects" and finding this thread. 

 

I have always had trouble with hormonal birth control.  So, for the past 12 years or so, we've just been careful. After our third baby was born, I didn't want to risk getting pregnant again, so I wanted to try something that was fairly permanent but didn't have hormones.  I decided on the copper IUD (paraguard).  I got it inserted on August 9, 2012.  I hadn't had a period since getting pregnant with my son (who is 8 months old), but I thought I might have a little bleeding after getting the IUD placed.  I also thought maybe it might result in my periods starting up again, but I thought that would be an alright exchange to make certain I wouldn't get pregnant.  I had a few days of the worst pain ever - terrible cramps, it was hard to walk, and the cramps even woke me up in the night. During that time, I also was feeling emotionally as though I were on my period - a little crabby, somewhat overly emotional, etc.  I thought - maybe this just jump-started my period, and everything is just a result of this being my first post-partum cycle.  In any case, after a few days I felt better. As it turns out, I was due to get some routine blood work done, and, to my surprise, my thyroid levels came back abnormal.  I've never had any issues with my thyroid, so I had no idea what was going on with that.  Then, a few days ago, I started feeling like I was going to start my period again.  I broke out in multiple painful pimples, on my face, neck, and back.  I started getting terribly bloated.  I had terrible cramps.  I had odd spotting, that was basically only present in the morning, but the cramps lasted throughout the day.  I was also sore, and felt like I was bordering on getting a urinary tract infection.  I lost any desire to have sex starting basically from the time I got the IUD inserted - I was having too many cramps and overall discomfort to want anything to do with sex.  Anyway, all of this would've been something I could've dealt with if I thought it would be short term.  Then I started having serious emotional issues that came out of nowhere.  I started having massive anxiety.  I didn't want to drive - I was certain I was going to get in an accident.  I was watching "Finding Nemo" with my kids, and Dorie was saying "Just keep swimming, just keep swimming, just keep swimming" and as I watched it all I could think was "I'm so tired.  I feel terrible.  I'm so depressed.  I don't want to swim anymore.  I'm tired of swimming."  I was getting into arguments with my husband over the most ridiculous things.  I suddenly started thinking that I needed to pack my stuff, take the kids and leave.  Over the most assinine things, seriously.  Then, yesterday, I really lost it.  I feel like I had an out of body experience or a psychotic break or something.  I had this urge to start cutting myself.  I started writing out all of our account information (I do all the bills and so forth) so that if something happened to me my husband would have all the information to continue doing our bills in one place.  I tried contacting family to see if someone could come sit with me.  I couldn't stop crying.  And then, like an hour later, I felt okay.  I didn't feel good, but I felt better.  I looked back over the hour that had passed, and it felt like it had been a bad dream or something.  It didn't seem like it was me that had been experiencing such extreme depression.  I have dealt with anxiety and depression in the past, but I knew that this was absolutely not normal.  This was not a normal level of anxiety or depression for me.  And nothing, NOTHING in my life had changed except that I had gotten the IUD inserted.  For a minute, I thought about attributing it to a huge hormonal shift brought on by starting my period again, but what happened was so extreme and so out of nowhere that I thought it was unlikely.  I considered asking my doctor to put me on anti-depressants or something when I went in to get the IUD checked.  Then I thought that before I committed to anything like drug therapy, I wanted to see if anyone had any issues with the IUD.  I knew that the IUD didn't have hormones, but all of the stuff that happened seemed like too big of a coincidence to not have something to do with the IUD, given the fact that these symptoms arose almost immediately after getting the IUD put in, with the emotional stuff really kicking in within the last few days.  I saw these posts here and read about copper toxicity and saw how it can impact your thyroid and your mental health (amongst other things).  I called and got an urgent appointment with my gyn and I got that death trap taken out this morning.  The doctor doubted that the IUD was causing these issues, and asked if I was seeing a therapist or anything.  No, I wasn't, because prior to getting this stupid thing put in, I hadn't dealt with severe depression or anxiety in ages. 

 

 

I'm telling my "story" because I am irate. I count myself lucky that I know my moods/body/emotions/etc. extremely well, or I don't even want to think how this story would have ended for me.  My mother had some severe issues, so I am super vigilant about any emotional problems.  If I were not so intune with what a "normal" level of anxiety and depression is for me, I could have shrugged this off as post-partum depression that occurred somewhat late, or as extreme PMS or as having a mid-life crisis or something.  I'm not saying any of those things would have been a good alternative, I'm just saying that I could have ignored the actual culprit and ended up in therapy and taking medications for years trying to figure out why things suddenly got out of control, or I could have gotten a divorce because of how distorted my views on things were becoming (and in a ridiculously short period of time).  Worse, I could have ended up killing myself or something, and my family would've been trying to figure out an explanation for the rest of their livess without ever thinking that it was something as *simple* as the IUD.  And really, the emotional problems weren't the only issue, just the most concerning and the problem most in need of immediate action. 

 

I looked at the facebook page and didn't see any discussion of a lawsuit.  Does anyone have more information about that?  I am not someone to go around engaging in frivolous lawsuits, but when I started thinking about this, I was actually going to suggest that a class action lawsuit be initiated (and then I saw the post indicating that people were already looking into it).  I think that this IUD should come with a black box warning.  If nothing else, there needs to be serious warnings in the literature about the potential for depression, anxiety, and various other health problems.  Maybe someone needs to look into how many people with IUDs have died and research the causes of death, and see if there are any links.  It probably sounds like I am getting irrationally worked up given the short period of time I had the IUD in place; there is just no way I can adequately describe how bad things got and how fast they got there.  I don't know how people deal with these types of side effects for years.  For those of you who have had to stop working, or those of you whose doctors have been jerks, I cannot describe how upset and disgusted I am on your behalf.  It makes me sick.  Here's what is ridiculous - when I talked to my doctor about getting this, he basically said that they don't know why this works, just that it does.  It's interesting then that all of these doctors are so certain that it couldn't POSSIBLY be the IUD, when they have no idea why it works in the first place.  Think of this - the main argument is that copper contains no hormones, therefore it can't cause any of these things, right?  If the copper isn't interracting with the body in some way, how is it working?  It clearly isn't the fact that you've put something in your cervix and now you can't get pregnant.  If that were the case, why would they even have hormonal IUDs?  Why wouldn't putting any material in the shape of a small t with a string attached to it work without needing hormones?  Obviously, the copper does something that the plastic or whatever is in the Mirena doesn't do.  Why?  What is the difference?  I'd be interested to hear a doctor's opinion on that.  Clearly, there is some sort of reaction that happens between the body and the copper.  In any case, I really think something needs to be done here.  It's ridiculous that there are so many people dealing with such massive side effects and no doctors for the most part seem willing to accept that it's the fault of the IUD.  Maybe one day doctors will learn to actually listen to us.  If anyone knows more about the lawsuit, please let me know.  If you've read all of this, thanks for letting me vent.   

post #285 of 570
I don't think they should evan put these horrable things in 16 year olds tbh
Edited by aviion - 8/31/12 at 12:16pm
post #286 of 570

Aviion - I have no idea what would possess a practitioner to use an IUD - hormonal or copper - on a 16 year old, even if you have children.  I don't actually know what form of birth control I feel is appropriate for teenagers at this point.  I started taking hormonal birth control when I was really young, and I had massive depression during that time.  I thought it was just me being depressed.  In my early 20s I had a friend who stopped taking bc because of the side effects and that's when I thought maybe I should try getting off the pill.  I did, and I noticed an immediate difference.  Commercials I previously would've cried about, I started laughing about.  It was ridiculous.  And when I got back on bc, I got depressed again.  I finally found one that worked okay, but now there are all sorts of lawsuits surrounding it.  Go figure.  Anyway, I'm sorry you're dealing with all of this stuff.  I haven't gotten the spots you were talking about, at least not to my knowledge.  Hopefully they go away soon! 

post #287 of 570
I got it put in at marie sttopes clinic ,they told me the only side effect wasi might bleed for a couple of days , I didn't evan get told about heavier periods ,crampic ect.. When I was debating to get it al they said is that its the best suitable sort of contreception because it has no hormones and you can't forget to take it because its always there obviously Lol, I've been on the pill aswell and my mood swings and period cramps went crazy Lol I didn't get depression or anything though! I wish I never got this stupid iud in my lifes been hell since . Lol thanks for your reply,I think the spots were due to an ear infection(wich I've never had in my life) till now,wich I heard could be due to the copper aswell.. Hopefully after my first period things will get back to normal again smile.gif
post #288 of 570
:it's true appparently copper increased estrogen. High amounts of estrogen caused our bodies anxiety and panic attacks. See hormone imbalance. Then, if we have adrenal fatigue caused your body to retain all the copper. Causing copper toxicity symptoms. That's the reason I will remove my copper iud. Right now in order for me to feel good I need to be taking zinc and progesterone.
post #289 of 570

Hey just wanted to update. I got my IUD out in February after having it 2 years. The anxiety and panic attacks still were happening for months afterwards and all the doc wanted to do was put me on antidepressant. I knew this wouldnt fix my problem and it would only mask the underlying issue. I finally found a chiropractor who does holistic healing and muscle testing and told me my

adrenal glands were fatigued!! I have been taking supplements to help balance adrenals and heart. I started eating a paleo diet as well. I also learned earlier this year i was gluten intolerant. My hair has started to grow back some and the anxiety definitely isnt as bad as it use to be. Im just taking it day by day and hope one day I will get back to normal. I think exercise helps and I use pure essential oils to help with stress and anxiety. Going through a lot of other issues in life right now that are also contributing to the stress but definitely feeling much better without the IUD and taking supplements to balance my adrenals.

post #290 of 570
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Originally Posted by kck108 View Post

Hey just wanted to update. I got my IUD out in February after having it 2 years. The anxiety and panic attacks still were happening for months afterwards and all the doc wanted to do was put me on antidepressant. I knew this wouldnt fix my problem and it would only mask the underlying issue. I finally found a chiropractor who does holistic healing and muscle testing and told me my

adrenal glands were fatigued!! I have been taking supplements to help balance adrenals and heart. I started eating a paleo diet as well. I also learned earlier this year i was gluten intolerant. My hair has started to grow back some and the anxiety definitely isnt as bad as it use to be. Im just taking it day by day and hope one day I will get back to normal. I think exercise helps and I use pure essential oils to help with stress and anxiety. Going through a lot of other issues in life right now that are also contributing to the stress but definitely feeling much better without the IUD and taking supplements to balance my adrenals.

The adrenal fatigue thing causes anxiety issues because the adrenal hormones use the same precursors as progesterone and so during the portion of your cycle that requires progesterone, if your body doesn't have enough of the precursors, it will skimp on both.  I had adrenal fatigue and ended up using wild yam cream (just put a bit on my belly daily) during the second half of my cycle if I'm feeling anxious/panicky.  It supplements the progesterone so my body doesn't have to worry about it and it's helped a lot.  I am mostly paleo/primal, too, though... turns out gluten also causes anxiety for me.

 

thought I'd throw that out there in case it helps someone, but I've been really debating whether or not to get an IUD lately and... this thread really makes me feel like I'm not going to.  Not that I have another great plan, but it's been 2 1/2 yrs with FAM/avoidance during fertile times.  I dunno.  I just don't feel like any of the methods are any good.  My husband has an autoimmune disease, though, so considering that autoimmune issues are a side-effect of vasectomy, looks like that's not a good answer for us, either... *sigh*

post #291 of 570

I just had the most amazing epiphany -- my life has been absolute shit for over 10 years - ever since my copper IUD was put in.  My spouse refused to have a vasectomy and after a necessary abortion (I could not carry a child due to some medication I was on and a uterine condition), my gyno suggested I use the IUD option with just copper because I was so sensitive to oestrogen.  My mother took DES during her pregnancy with me and so I was overdosed on oestrogen before birth which caused a miriad of problems, one of which was my incompetent cervix, malformed and unable to carry a child to term.  SO, having explained the issue, I will now tell you what happened during my first five years with the IUD.  

 

My mental state grew worse and worse, my minor psoriasis grew into almost full body psoriasis. Mood swings, forgetfulness, exhaustion, lack of ability to concentrate or handle the stress that I was used to.  My psychiatrist prescribed various medical solutions, and eventually I went off work onto disability because my symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (which I had not had previously to the IUD) had become completely unmanageable.  

I have had the second copper IUD now for its limit of five years.  Not only has it caused me to have super intense, painful and gushing periods, but now as my period starts I get a black substance that precedes the flow.  Creepy?  It gets worse.  

 

Recently I have become intensely allergic to a ton of things that I was not allergic to before, and my cholesterol has jumped high from a virtually non-existent level previously.  I cannot tolerate MSG, any kind of food colouring, natural or not, sufites, shellfish, dryer sheets, most laundry detergents, any animal-based skin products, perfumes, dyes of any sort.  My psoriasis is full body now, and I have recently had unremitting joint pain in my shoulder and back, elbow and wrist. I cannot feel my thumb or first finger of my right hand.  I am tired and cannot sleep because of the pain.  Needless to say, the risk of pregnancy is low at this point anyway. 

 

On this coming Tuesday, I am having this thing taken out.  I will report what happens after that. 

 

I read a study done in my city which looked at physicians' and patients' reactions to IUDs and the dangers they associated with them.  Not one single note was made of copper poisoning, but yet the things are made of copper and some is released all the time. If it builds up in your liver, your cholesterol levels will rise.  Any auto-immune problem will increase in severity.  Your body will react as if it is in estrogen overload.  Your adrenal system will begin to fail.  Zinc can counter the copper, but one must also do some cleansing to get the unabsorbed copper out of the body.  Zinc is the thing that will help my psoriasis heal, but because of all the copper, my conditioned has only worsened.  The more I have read, the more convinced I have become that the last 10 years of my life have been destroyed by the stupid IUD and the copper it had put into my system.  I have lost my work, my reputation, custody of my daughters, financial security, my health, my beauty--all of it.  It seems just idiotic that none of the doctors in the 2008 study done in my town considered the possibility that women could be poisoned by the copper IUDS.  No one seems to have noticed this, but I definitely plan to make it know if my conditions get better once it is removed.  

 

You get a little testy after a couple weeks with such severe joint pain and no relief, no diagnosis, and no sleep.  

 

Worse yet, a lot of the food we think of as 'healthy' are strong on copper, so it is hard to find ones that are pro-zinc without copper also being in there. 

 

See below, taken from © Copyright Insight Naturopathy 2012

 

 

Therapeutic Considerations when trying to rid the body of excess copper:

 

  1. Adrenal and nervous system support - Zinc, magnesium, vitamin B complex, avoidance of stimulants (drugs, caffeine, sugar, food additives, glutamate), increase relaxation "switching off" time with meditation, yoga, breathing techniques, relaxation CD's, sauna therapy, exercise, rest, uninterrupted sleep.
  2. Include copper antagonists - zinc, manganese, molybdenum, vitamin C. In particular zinc, folinic acid, pyridoxal 5 phosphate and selenium are also important for the production of metallothionine (copper binding protein). It's important to note that each individual will require differing doses of chelating minerals, depending on laboratory results and any other complications - methylation, pyroluria. Increasing Zinc levels needs to occur slowly to minimise aggravation of an already sensitive system. As zinc levels increase, copper slowly comes down as it's removed from the body. The removal process itself can often cause a temporary flare up of symptoms, which will slowly ease with time. Exacerbation of symptoms varies depending on level of copper in the tissues, number of gut pathogens (yeasts, parasites, bacteria) and overall vitality of the body. Symptoms of copper removal are commonly nausea, loose, frequent stools, headaches, over stimulation, insomnia, brain fog.
  3. Avoid copper sources and in particular avoid copper in your drinking water through an appropriate filtration system.
  4. Chelating agents - Zeolite is a crystalline structure formed from volcanic ash. It attracts and irreversibly binds and removes toxic heavy metals, including copper. Gentle on the liver and kidneys. To be used with extreme caution and under guidance of a qualified practitioner. Depending on one's current health status, chelation therapy may create more harm than good and must be supervised and done slowly when copper levels are very high or there are methylation issues or pyroluria present.
  5. Improve detoxification - sulfur amino acids including cysteine and taurine will increase copper elimination. Note to be careful with these nutrients if you have a methylation issue with Cystathionine Beta Synthase (CBS) enzyme, as these nutrients will cause more probelms.
  6. Increase intake of filtered copper free water.
  7. Dietary considerations - eat lots of fresh, organic seasonal vegetables, opt for small amounts of whole grains (quinoa, buckwheat, brown rice) or better yet try grain free (GAPS or paleo style diet), and small portions of organic (hormone free) meat into your diet. Adjust diet to increase high zinc, low copper foods - red meat, eggs, pumpkins seeds, chicken. Reduce high copper foods - nuts, chocolate, wheat, soybeans, coffee, avocado, liver, mushrooms, oysters, wheatgerm. Ensure protein is eaten with each meal. Use sea salt rather than table salt, particularly in those with adrenal insufficiency, which may first be noticed by excessive sweet and salt cravings.
  8. Digestive Support - Encourage gastrointestinal (GIT) mucosal healing and reestablish healthy levels of intestinal microbiota through probiotics, cultured food, anti-candida diet guidelines. The use of GIT healing supplements like Glutamine, Slippery Elm and DGL may be necessary in cases where food intolerance coexists or heavy damage has occurred from fungi or parasites. Copper imbalance creates an anaerobic environment in the GIT, a perfect breeding ground for yeast, fungi, parasite, bacteria. Anti-fungal/parasitic support may include Saccharomyces boulardii, Caprylic acid,Artemisia absinthium,Tabebuia avellanedae, and Citrus seed extract to clear pathogens from the body and eliminate their toxic metabolites. Long term Zinc deficiency, which occurs as a result of high copper levels, contributes to increased permeability of the gut lining, decreased hydrochloric acid levels and decreased immune function. All of these situations increase the likelihood of leaky gut syndrome, yeast overgrowth, and food intolerance.  [Take note people with IBS or Crohns].
  9.  

'Hypercupremia' appears a vital component in the analysis and understanding of the biochemical imbalances involved in behavioural disorders and mental illness. For this reason, investigation would appear essential for any patient exhibiting symptoms of anxiety, depression, chronic debilitating fatigue, stimulation behaviours, panic attacks, suicidal tendencies, paranoia or hallucinations.

 

- I really hope some of this helps some of you become more aware of what you have experienced while on the copper IUD. 

I will repost after mine has been removed to let you know if my suspicion is correct. 

- Sara

post #292 of 570
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Originally Posted by Sara Harrison View Post

I just had the most amazing epiphany -- my life has been absolute shit for over 10 years - ever since my copper IUD was put in.  My spouse refused to have a vasectomy and after a necessary abortion (I could not carry a child due to some medication I was on and a uterine condition), my gyno suggested I use the IUD option with just copper because I was so sensitive to oestrogen.  My mother took DES during her pregnancy with me and so I was overdosed on oestrogen before birth which caused a miriad of problems, one of which was my incompetent cervix, malformed and unable to carry a child to term.  SO, having explained the issue, I will now tell you what happened during my first five years with the IUD.  

 

My mental state grew worse and worse, my minor psoriasis grew into almost full body psoriasis. Mood swings, forgetfulness, exhaustion, lack of ability to concentrate or handle the stress that I was used to.  My psychiatrist prescribed various medical solutions, and eventually I went off work onto disability because my symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (which I had not had previously to the IUD) had become completely unmanageable.  

I have had the second copper IUD now for its limit of five years.  Not only has it caused me to have super intense, painful and gushing periods, but now as my period starts I get a black substance that precedes the flow.  Creepy?  It gets worse.  

 

Recently I have become intensely allergic to a ton of things that I was not allergic to before, and my cholesterol has jumped high from a virtually non-existent level previously.  I cannot tolerate MSG, any kind of food colouring, natural or not, sufites, shellfish, dryer sheets, most laundry detergents, any animal-based skin products, perfumes, dyes of any sort.  My psoriasis is full body now, and I have recently had unremitting joint pain in my shoulder and back, elbow and wrist. I cannot feel my thumb or first finger of my right hand.  I am tired and cannot sleep because of the pain.  Needless to say, the risk of pregnancy is low at this point anyway. 

 

On this coming Tuesday, I am having this thing taken out.  I will report what happens after that. 

 

I read a study done in my city which looked at physicians' and patients' reactions to IUDs and the dangers they associated with them.  Not one single note was made of copper poisoning, but yet the things are made of copper and some is released all the time. If it builds up in your liver, your cholesterol levels will rise.  Any auto-immune problem will increase in severity.  Your body will react as if it is in estrogen overload.  Your adrenal system will begin to fail.  Zinc can counter the copper, but one must also do some cleansing to get the unabsorbed copper out of the body.  Zinc is the thing that will help my psoriasis heal, but because of all the copper, my conditioned has only worsened.  The more I have read, the more convinced I have become that the last 10 years of my life have been destroyed by the stupid IUD and the copper it had put into my system.  I have lost my work, my reputation, custody of my daughters, financial security, my health, my beauty--all of it.  It seems just idiotic that none of the doctors in the 2008 study done in my town considered the possibility that women could be poisoned by the copper IUDS.  No one seems to have noticed this, but I definitely plan to make it know if my conditions get better once it is removed.  

 

You get a little testy after a couple weeks with such severe joint pain and no relief, no diagnosis, and no sleep.  

 

Worse yet, a lot of the food we think of as 'healthy' are strong on copper, so it is hard to find ones that are pro-zinc without copper also being in there. 

 

See below, taken from © Copyright Insight Naturopathy 2012

 

 

Therapeutic Considerations when trying to rid the body of excess copper:

 

  1. Adrenal and nervous system support - Zinc, magnesium, vitamin B complex, avoidance of stimulants (drugs, caffeine, sugar, food additives, glutamate), increase relaxation "switching off" time with meditation, yoga, breathing techniques, relaxation CD's, sauna therapy, exercise, rest, uninterrupted sleep.
  2. Include copper antagonists - zinc, manganese, molybdenum, vitamin C. In particular zinc, folinic acid, pyridoxal 5 phosphate and selenium are also important for the production of metallothionine (copper binding protein). It's important to note that each individual will require differing doses of chelating minerals, depending on laboratory results and any other complications - methylation, pyroluria. Increasing Zinc levels needs to occur slowly to minimise aggravation of an already sensitive system. As zinc levels increase, copper slowly comes down as it's removed from the body. The removal process itself can often cause a temporary flare up of symptoms, which will slowly ease with time. Exacerbation of symptoms varies depending on level of copper in the tissues, number of gut pathogens (yeasts, parasites, bacteria) and overall vitality of the body. Symptoms of copper removal are commonly nausea, loose, frequent stools, headaches, over stimulation, insomnia, brain fog.
  3. Avoid copper sources and in particular avoid copper in your drinking water through an appropriate filtration system.
  4. Chelating agents - Zeolite is a crystalline structure formed from volcanic ash. It attracts and irreversibly binds and removes toxic heavy metals, including copper. Gentle on the liver and kidneys. To be used with extreme caution and under guidance of a qualified practitioner. Depending on one's current health status, chelation therapy may create more harm than good and must be supervised and done slowly when copper levels are very high or there are methylation issues or pyroluria present.
  5. Improve detoxification - sulfur amino acids including cysteine and taurine will increase copper elimination. Note to be careful with these nutrients if you have a methylation issue with Cystathionine Beta Synthase (CBS) enzyme, as these nutrients will cause more probelms.
  6. Increase intake of filtered copper free water.
  7. Dietary considerations - eat lots of fresh, organic seasonal vegetables, opt for small amounts of whole grains (quinoa, buckwheat, brown rice) or better yet try grain free (GAPS or paleo style diet), and small portions of organic (hormone free) meat into your diet. Adjust diet to increase high zinc, low copper foods - red meat, eggs, pumpkins seeds, chicken. Reduce high copper foods - nuts, chocolate, wheat, soybeans, coffee, avocado, liver, mushrooms, oysters, wheatgerm. Ensure protein is eaten with each meal. Use sea salt rather than table salt, particularly in those with adrenal insufficiency, which may first be noticed by excessive sweet and salt cravings.
  8. Digestive Support - Encourage gastrointestinal (GIT) mucosal healing and reestablish healthy levels of intestinal microbiota through probiotics, cultured food, anti-candida diet guidelines. The use of GIT healing supplements like Glutamine, Slippery Elm and DGL may be necessary in cases where food intolerance coexists or heavy damage has occurred from fungi or parasites. Copper imbalance creates an anaerobic environment in the GIT, a perfect breeding ground for yeast, fungi, parasite, bacteria. Anti-fungal/parasitic support may include Saccharomyces boulardii, Caprylic acid,Artemisia absinthium,Tabebuia avellanedae, and Citrus seed extract to clear pathogens from the body and eliminate their toxic metabolites. Long term Zinc deficiency, which occurs as a result of high copper levels, contributes to increased permeability of the gut lining, decreased hydrochloric acid levels and decreased immune function. All of these situations increase the likelihood of leaky gut syndrome, yeast overgrowth, and food intolerance.  [Take note people with IBS or Crohns].
  9.  

'Hypercupremia' appears a vital component in the analysis and understanding of the biochemical imbalances involved in behavioural disorders and mental illness. For this reason, investigation would appear essential for any patient exhibiting symptoms of anxiety, depression, chronic debilitating fatigue, stimulation behaviours, panic attacks, suicidal tendencies, paranoia or hallucinations.

 

- I really hope some of this helps some of you become more aware of what you have experienced while on the copper IUD. 

I will repost after mine has been removed to let you know if my suspicion is correct. 

- Sara

 

 

Sarah, 
Reading your story makes me very sad... I hope you start feeling better soon after removal. 
I invite you and all the other readers of this thread to join the yahoo group I started to share strategies and experiences of our detoxing process. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/copperiuddetox/ you just have to click join. And I recommend you check the facebook page "don't get the paragard" that they are planning to start a class action suit to Paragard.
Best of luck!
Florencia
post #293 of 570

Wow, THANK YOU for your reply.  I am so glad to know that I am not alone in my thinking that a whole bunch of medical professionals missed this, including my pharmacist.  I do have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, but I am not sure if the copper issue has intensified it.  I am pretty sure, after the research, that at least some if not most of my symptoms have been related to the copper.  

 

I will join the Facebook group and the thing is coming out in less than 48 hours from now and I cannot wait.  I will have to check and find out what brand this last one was, though, so I will phone my pharmacy in the morning as another was ordered (if you can believe it) which would be my third - meaning a potential total of 15 years of constant exposure. Don;t worry-that is not going to happen. : 0 

 

I definitely appreciate any advice or information about detoxing, also.  You are so kind to have shared this with me.

 

Blessings! 

post #294 of 570

I'm not sure about the copper IUDs as they aren't really used that often in the US. Hormonal IUDs (Mirena) are more common, and I know that for them there have been some concerns about some of the more serous side effects, like  pelvic inflammatory disease and ectopic pregnancy. In any case, you should talk about all your side effects with your doctor if you haven't already so that they can prescribe you a more suitable option.  

 

Best of luck!

post #295 of 570

Well. . . my own family physician (here in Canada) had nothing to do with the choice I made to have the copper Nova T put in.  It was done because I needed birth control and could not tolerate hormones, so could never use the pills.  The Mirena type would not have worked for me for that reason.  When I had the first copper one removed and replaced with another, at the five year point, a nurse practitioner did the procedure.  Yesterday I returned to have the second one taken out and my physician knew how to take it out but had little or no knowledge about the side effects of the copper.  So, talking to her was of no use, because honestly, our doctors serve everyone the same and don't have time to research something that no one much has.  Her time is too limited, and I understand that completely.  I did tell her about our group and what some people's reaction had been and she had both a copper and liver test done for me, which was very kind.  Hopefully, when the results come back, i will find out if the copper has accumulated in my body, causing my psoriasis to become so over presented.  If the test shows normal copper levels, then I know that the IUD may not have been any problem, bt that another of my issues caused the flare and the other problems I have had since having the first IUD put in.  

 

People need to be careful about believing what 'Women's Centers' recommend, just because they are also not up on the most current information. How can they be?  It is up tp consumers to be aware, which is what this group is for.  There always has to be a first group that gets together and then finds commonality in order to report problems with a product. It is like that with any product of any kind, not just pharmaceuticals.  Unfortunately, the first people who notice something is wrong often get scoffed at, belittled or told they are just imagining things.  I think this is because it is so much easier to tell someone that than to actually do the research and work to find out the truth.  At some point, though, when enough people have been harmed by something that was supposed to 'help', doctors are told because the companies don;t want any further legal prosecutions against them--not because the companies particularly care about people's well being.  

 

How do I really know this?  Well, my mother took a drug called DES.  It was a form of synthetic oestrogen thought by doctors in the 60s and early 70s to help women carry babies more successfully to term, thereby preventing miscarriages.  Some of the DES was prescribed and some was just put in pre-natal vitamins without the consumers being made aware of the implications (because of lack of testing for long-term effects).  Unfortunately, like Phalidomide (sorry not sure of that spelling), a drug which turned out to cause terrible birth defects in the children of the mothers who used it, DES caused problems in the reproductive areas of the babies who received it in utero, such as incompetent cervix in girls and partial lack or deformity of genitals for boys.  It also has resulted in a generation of women (the mothers) who were many times more likely to develop cancer, and a second generation (of which I was part) who experienced problems having babies and also face the same cancer odds.  Moreover, the oestrogen created a sensitivity in some women, and also a number of other issues that are now coming to light which are related to that.  

 

DES was a drug that doctors felt was completely safe, even years after the evidence was available, Going to your doctor to find out whether it was bad for you was completely useless for a long time, and some doctors have not even heard of it, today.  Nonetheless millions of people have been exposed as infants to DES and are now waiting to see if their daughters will have similar problems when it comes to having grandchildren.  

 

This is why I am wondering how the copper IUD could have been recommended to me, given that copper acts to speed up oestrogen production inn the body.  It is like telling someone on a diet that low fat foods that are high in sugar (which turns to fat anyway) are better for you than regular foods with a bit more fat and less sugar.  In fact, neither option is very healthy for someone who has an overabundance of weight.  

 

I guess I will continue to wait to find out if the copper has been deposited in my system through my liver. But that will not tell me if I have been affected during the time that it was actually in me--ten years was a LONG time to be sitting around and the entire time I was getting sicker and sicker.  What is alarming is that our health system is socialized, so everyone pays when faulty products, meant to assist health end up making people sick. Do the pharmaceutical companies care? Not so much, since they make more profits than they ever pay in lawsuits.  Case in point: Oxycontin.  

It was purposely marketed as a safe, non-addicting medication for pain and doctors believed it and it overtook the market by storm.  Then, once people discovered they were addicted, and thee rug destroyed their lives, they sought medical care for their addictions and that has meant a huge outlay for methadone, which is paid for by the public coffers--not the pharmaceutical companies that originally fraudulently marketed it, not the doctors who listened without question to the drug companies.  The one thing that can bring down a socialized medical system is the greed of those providing the medicines.  When there is profit motive on that side, the public will never be safe and a public health system will be unable to keep up with the costs eventually.  In canada, that is happening and it is making it much easier for those who want a private system to succeed.  

 

Very sad, and everyone pays except those who are within the system being paid by it or making profits from it.  

 

So, i really trust my own research and the reports from other women far more than any other sources at this point.  

 

I will be back to report what happens, but I definitely feel for anyone who has been misled about this IUD.  it is just a tiny little thing, but if you have it inside you for ten years, it can still harm you.  That doesn't seem ridiculous to me in any way.  

post #296 of 570

Sara - I couldn't agree more! You need to be our spokes person!!

 

I wish that I could count the number of times I have read online other women say "But I went to the doctor and they told me it couldn't possibly be the IUD!"  What gets me the most upset is not the fact that the doctors said that, but the fact that they were so sure of themselves. My doctor even said it in the rudest tone of voice - like I was an idiot for even thinking it. When I told my doctor I wanted it out - her tone became even more annoyed.  I just don't understand the incentive?  I feel like if I were a doctor and a patient came in and said "I'm having all of these problems... I think it might be the IUD?" I would say... "Well lets take the thing out and see if you feel any better!"  The only thing I can come up with is that they are scared of being sued for putting a device in your body that has made you sick.  But regardless, do they all lack the compassion of their patients and only care about being sued - not the well-being of the women suffering.

 

Sara - I hope you are looking into detoxing.  I only had my IUD for a year and became extremely sick (house bound/bed-ridden) during that time period. I didn't know that detox was necessary until 2.5 years after I got my IUD out.  I'm doing much better now that I've been detoxing for 7 months.

 

Please anyone... If you want more information about detoxing from the IUD, please send me a message or join our Yahoo group http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/copperiuddetox/ 

post #297 of 570

Thanks so much for your support of my view - it does sometimes feel like I am alone, but you have made me feel much less that way, so thanks!  

 

I got my blood work results today and I do not have abnormal copper levels and no liver damage. I am super happy about that, although I may have had copper that was close to the top end, however. That I will not know, of course.  But I have been on a lot of anti-copper foods in the past two weeks and it is bizarre how much just doing that has helped my symptoms.  Now that it is out for good, my psoriasis is beginning to look less angry already.  I have started to lose weight, also, and I am not dieting other than avoiding copper rich foods.  

 

We also just don't know what the cumulative effect of having the device in there has on our bodies.  Could having close to the limit level copper have a long-term influence on all these symptoms? My husband and I believe that there has to have been an effect.  I wonder if we checked the blood types of other members, whether there might be a common link there?  That would be interesting.  

 

If we eventually get enough members to do an animus survey, I would certainly be interested in evaluating the results statistically.  

 

Thank you, yes, I am presently detoxifying and I am hoping that having it gone will speed that process up, too. 

 

I appreciate your kind comments and that you actually took the time to read my whole entire rambling rant. LOL  Felt good to get it out there, actually, so that may help with the detox right there!!! 

 

Cheers!  J

post #298 of 570

I meant anonymous survey- the spell correct took over!  LOL

post #299 of 570

Just to add more evidence that the Copper IUD is to blame for the way we are all feeling.  Here are my thoughts:

 

My son was born in June 2011 and as I am allergic to every known pill going, I decided to have the copper IUD fitted. I had this fitted in January 2012. Before I had it fitted, I was happy and from Insertion, my life has become hell.

 

My symptoms Include:

 

Depression (started approx 1 week after inserted)

Anxiety and panic attacks on a daily basis (never had anxiety in the past) I constantly think I am going to die.

Heart palpitations for no reason

Brain fog / Unable to think clearly

Visual disturbances

Dizziness

Uncontrollable bad moods

Insomnia

Terrible acne and a

Haunted look to my face / Face change (According to friends and family) 

Shoulder tip pain in right shoulder

Teeth grinding at night time

Intolerance to alcohol and horrendous hangovers even after one bottle of beer

Fatigue

 

I am having the device removed tomorrow at my local family planning clinic.

 

If you want your life back to ladies, I suggest you do the same before you ruin your relationships, your sanity... your life.

 

Love to you all, Nicky x

post #300 of 570
Hi all,
Just a quick update:
IUD was removed 3 weeks ago. Since then I've noticed:
Stomach bloat is GONE.
Sex drive up, up, up ( to be fair, this actually started before IUD removal)
Period is due next week and I'm not spotting brown discharge! ( normally this would have started now)
PMS is here, but I feel like its me experiencing it, instead of Medusa taking over my body. It's not debiliting and I don't feel depressed like usual.

Maybe it's just the placebo affect...we'll see. Either way I feel better. I'll update again in a few weeks.
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