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post #101 of 128
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Originally Posted by 3*is*magic View Post
ParisApril, why not take a step back from this and, instead of reacting combatively to people, reply in the spirit of MDC - with friendship and empathy. How do you know she's NOT doing something about the recycling options where she lives? Just b/c she said she wasn't losing sleep about about it doesn't mean that she's not taking action in some way. I don't lose sleep about a lot of things I work hard on all day long.

Peace.
I hope you are right. Sometimes I wonder if everyone worried just a little bit more and did just that little bit more. What kind of world would it be then? If we just don't ever stop improving. It's exciting to think about, you know?
post #102 of 128
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Originally Posted by Meg_s View Post
<crying> how do I get rid of poopy smell in the carpet
Did anyone answer this for you? Try Nature's Miracle. Lots of it.
post #103 of 128
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Originally Posted by 3*is*magic View Post
ParisApril, why not take a step back from this and, instead of reacting combatively to people, reply in the spirit of MDC - with friendship and empathy. How do you know she's NOT doing something about the recycling options where she lives? Just b/c she said she wasn't losing sleep about about it doesn't mean that she's not taking action in some way. I don't lose sleep about a lot of things I work hard on all day long.

Peace.
That was very kind of you, thanks

I wasn't going to respond to ParisApril, but I'm a sucker so I guess I will. I got my first post wrong. Our city does recycle #1 and #2. The recycling place where I take our aluminum (dh likes Coke in cans. the horror!) doesn't have a container for the plastic. I do my best to not buy stuff in plastic containers, so I rarely have any to recycle anyway (REDUCING first, rather than even having something that needs to be recycled). Maybe I should start a drive in town to set up more containers for the plastic. But I'm not going to.

There are a million and one things to be concerned about. The fact that my town does not recycle #5 (the plastic which most food containers are made out and the plastic that every once in a blue moon I throw away) is pretty much on the bottom of my list of concerns. Maybe someday I'll be a community activist, but I'm not going to be now. The little free time that I have in my life right now I like to spend here on MDC (which I have been way too much lately), reading, maintaining a healthy marriage or maybe taking a bubble bath by myself (there I go wasting water again!).

When my life is a little less crazy the first thing I will do with my time is to volunteer at the day care center for homeless kids. Our county has one of the highest child poverty rates in the nation. That tops my community concern way more than the fact that we don't have many recycling options.

How about Darfur or AIDS orphans? I'm not doing much for them either. My point is that you will ALWAYS be able to criticize someone for not doing enough, not being concerned enough, not being active enough. But in the end the criticism rarely leads to change or education, just makes us pissy and defensive. I do think recycling is important, but it's not a panacea. Reducing and reusing comes first.

And anyway, #5 is the hardest plastic to recycle. Very few places can recycle it. Maybe someday my little contribution to the world will be to invent a machine that efficiently turns #5 plastics into those little flushable toilet cleaner thingys.

ETA: I meant to add that it sounds as though you are trying your very best to live an earth-friendly life and learning to leave as little impact as possible. I applaud you for it and really do appreciate your effort. I've yet to see another mama on this board who isn't doing the same, and I applaud them too. None of us are doing it perfectly though. I know I've got a lot to learn, and that's why I'm here.
post #104 of 128
Anniegirl
post #105 of 128
Here's the thing, April. I worry about the kind of world my kids will inherit, too... but it seems to me that the most endangered thing on our planet right now is basic human kindness. If you're trying to save the world and yet-- in the same breath-- calling people stupid and telling them that they make you want to throw up... well, such blatant cruelty as that makes some folks wonder if the world is worth saving. I mean, look how many views this thread has gotten! And these are people you could be influencing in a much more positive way, if only your message included as much affection for them as it does for the trees. Trees are great to hug and all... but you know what? People hug back.
post #106 of 128
Everyone has different "levels" of earth-friendliness.

Some people use family cloth, mama-pads, cloth diapers, eat all organic but choose to drive an SUV because of their family size.

Others use paper products, disposable diapers, but recycle and are vegan.

Others don't think about any of this stuff and are just learning. Its a process that can start with just one thing.

Again, not everyone is perfect, and also, you have to make choices for your own family.

AND, you are preaching to the choir. You are in the mindful home management section of a NFL site. Sheesh.

(this was typed out whilst eating prepackaged empanadas and drinking diet coke with lime, using my plastic computer keyboard.)
post #107 of 128
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Originally Posted by Tilia View Post
(this was typed out whilst eating prepackaged empanadas and drinking diet coke with lime, using my plastic computer keyboard.)
What does that statement prove?
post #108 of 128
What I just said, not everyone is perfect. Cans are bad for the environment and my computer is made of mostly plastic, another thing that is terrible for the environment. Are you saying your children shouldn't have internet?
post #109 of 128
It's hard to put into words, but there is some stuff on this thread that really bothers me.

My house is dirty. Not particularly messy, but by the standards set by many here, dirty. Why? Well, I have three cat boxes out where you can see them (in my laundry room). They're cleaned often, but they are visible. And pet hair? Two long haired dogs and only one adult in the house who can vacuum without an asthma attack spells lots of dog hair, everywhere. We do the best we can to keep things reasonably clean--the dishes get done most every day, the bathrooms get cleaned pretty often, the floors get cleaned when the energy can be mustered. But honestly, I am completely unwilling to keep up the level of clean a lot of you here say you'd need to feel comfortable. It would require hours of my day, and it wouldn't be worth it.
post #110 of 128
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Originally Posted by avengingophelia View Post
It's hard to put into words, but there is some stuff on this thread that really bothers me.

My house is dirty. Not particularly messy, but by the standards set by many here, dirty. Why? Well, I have three cat boxes out where you can see them (in my laundry room). They're cleaned often, but they are visible. And pet hair? Two long haired dogs and only one adult in the house who can vacuum without an asthma attack spells lots of dog hair, everywhere. We do the best we can to keep things reasonably clean--the dishes get done most every day, the bathrooms get cleaned pretty often, the floors get cleaned when the energy can be mustered. But honestly, I am completely unwilling to keep up the level of clean a lot of you here say you'd need to feel comfortable. It would require hours of my day, and it wouldn't be worth it.
FWIW if I visit someone with a cat, I expect a cat box. If they have a dog, I expect their home to smell a bit doggy. And I totally expect hair!

The only time a pet situation made me uncomfortable was the one I mentioned, my FIL's cat had brought something in and killed it, and the wood floor still had blood on it. That's a big old EW from me.
post #111 of 128
I get that if you have pets you have pet mess. Its part of the reason we don't have indoor pets. When its your own pet you love it and its mess isn't a big deal.

I don't freak out if dh leaves a pubic hair on the toilet but if I was at someone else's house and saw a curly it would be gross.

I'm really low on the judgement though. I've got 2 kids, soon to be 3, and I know how freaking quickly a place can get messy to the point I don't want people over. If you feed 2 kids breakfast and lunch the kitchen is ruined, the table sticky, the floor a mess, dishes piled up...it doesn't take much.

Its a cycle of cleaning. It feels like you never really make a dent but you just keep going and cherish those 2 minutes of perfection that an hour of cleaning the kitchen gives you before it starts to go downhill again.

I'm glad we've had this discussion, even the slightly off topic part. I still don't think April gets it though.
Good for you for worrying about things and trying to make changes.

I can only do so many things at a time. Right now my focus is on my young children and providing the best I can for them. I'd love to be a big activist organizing events and building an environmentally harmonious home.

The other night I had to stop reading horrible news stories about floods, Monsanto, Iraq, gas prices, etc because I thought I was going to have an anxiety attack (not such a good thing when you are 32 weeks pregnant!).

I suppose I subscribe to the idea that you do what you can do and make changes to better yourself as you can. I can't constantly feel guilty about what I'm not doing now or stay up all night long worrying about it. Guilt and worry don't change anything, instead they only prevent me from being a good mom.
post #112 of 128
Ok, where is the "Don't feed the troll" smilie that some other boards have? LOL

Anyways, for me, smell is the worst.

Next is piles of dog hair or cat hair everywhere, like on the kitchen counter, ESPECIALLY if I am over for dinner. Thanks but NO thanks.

And lastly, feces on the toilet-anywhere-if it is in, on or around the toilet, forget it. I would rather poop myself than use that...

My house is anything but spotless.

I always have toys lying around because I have a 16 month old who loves to empty the toybox daily(like she might find a new treasure in there? LOL)

The carpets get dirty because inconsiderate people NEVER take their shoes off, no matter the sign or how many times I ask them to take them off...

I have tons and tons and tons of clean laundry in my room and my bed is NEVER NEVER NEVER made(but I generally shut the bedroom door when guests come over.

My kitchen is almost always clean because that is a pet peeve of mine. But I might have dishes in the sink so I can do them all at once.

There is always fresh towels in the bathroom in the basket next to the sink, I am a constant face washer(OCD) so I can't stand not having a clean towel to wipe my face with....
post #113 of 128
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Originally Posted by ParisApril View Post
Funny! I'm driving them to drink out of plastic. How pathetic that is, if it is indeed true. I won't sugar coat the truth so I don't offend someone. I'm not into fairy tales.
like the old saying goes, you get more w/ honey then you do vinegar. its really in how you say something, not what you are actually saying. Im sure your not 100 % eco friendly, and have not always been in the place you are now. everyone is on a constant evolving journey. be loving to the others that have not gotten to where you are at yet.
Blessings
Heather
post #114 of 128
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Originally Posted by beccalou79 View Post
Here's the thing, April. I worry about the kind of world my kids will inherit, too... but it seems to me that the most endangered thing on our planet right now is basic human kindness. If you're trying to save the world and yet-- in the same breath-- calling people stupid and telling them that they make you want to throw up... well, such blatant cruelty as that makes some folks wonder if the world is worth saving. I mean, look how many views this thread has gotten! And these are people you could be influencing in a much more positive way, if only your message included as much affection for them as it does for the trees. Trees are great to hug and all... but you know what? People hug back.
post #115 of 128
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
If there are fruit flies in the kitchen, I expect there to also be little bowls of soapy apple juice. If you seem resigned to the bugs, that's a sign that I'm lucky I'm not seeing worse.
umm i live in a building and fruit flies show up even when there is not a fruit or veg in the house. its so weird they come from other apartments and u even see them in the halls at times.
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Originally Posted by WeasleyMum View Post
OK, none of you are allowed to come to my house, EVER!!!
nore mine

things that make me ::
ROACHES EWWWWWW that is the only thing that would make me and not come back (how about where they dont run when you turn the light on)
cat box/smoke smells
pee all over the tolet, floors and walls (was not even a child in that house)
not being able to have even a path to get in to the room
cumbs, food , crud all over the place and more then just a few days worth

spills, dishes, food, clutter, junk, messes, clothing washed or dirty, clean or dirty floor, dust. dont bother me
depending who's house i am at i might look the other way or do something (wash dishes, put clothes way, pick up)
i dont judge everyone has up and down times. sometimes things get done and sometimes come up. i put my kids, my health ect. over house work.
if you shows up unanounced, univited, or on very short notice and then says things about my house be ready for
post #116 of 128
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Originally Posted by Tilia View Post
What I just said, not everyone is perfect. Cans are bad for the environment and my computer is made of mostly plastic, another thing that is terrible for the environment. Are you saying your children shouldn't have internet?
I don't want to fight with you.
post #117 of 128
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Originally Posted by Collinsky View Post
When you go to visit someone, what level of mess are you comfortable seeing? What would cause you to think, "Okay, that's too dirty." What bothers you? What doesn't at all?

I'm assuming that no one goes to visit anyone with the intent to judge, it's not about that... but when you see a home, what causes you to feel that it's past "Comfortably Untidy?" Dishes in the sink? Dirty bathroom? Weird smell? Mantelpiece doesn't pass the white-glove dust test?

I'm asking because my house is chronically messy!!

Messy I can cope with. Filthy I cannot.

My cousin's house is filthy and her bathroom is so disgusting that I hover over her toilet to pee and bring my own pocket pack of tissues to wipe. It smells. The inside of the toilet bowel is stained, the seat usually contains urine or fecal matter, and the toilet paper seems to always be moist. The handsoap has a layer of dust on it to indicate it's lack of use. I've seen cleaner bathrooms in gas stations.
post #118 of 128
What makes me uncomfortable when visiting -

So much stuff on the floor (kid toys, pet toys, etc.) that you can't walk for fear of tripping over something. Not even a clear path! At least clear a path!

When you have to use the bathroom and there is one square of toilet paper left and there is not an extra roll in the bathroom - you have to yell for more toilet paper while sitting - dripping! - on the john!

Litterbox smells

My pet peeve:

When there is pet hair EVERYWHERE and there's nowhere to sit, not even a hard chair, without getting hair all over your clothes.

I wish people would even keep an extra sheet handy to throw over a chair or even of the couch for visitors when they have animals who are allowed on the furniture and the furniture is always hairy. Most of my pants/skirts are black. When I visit one family's home I have to remember to wear grey since that doesn't show the cat hair as much, especially if I'm going somewhere afterwards.
post #119 of 128
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Originally Posted by ParisApril View Post
I don't want to fight with you.
Ok, cool.
post #120 of 128
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Second, because if someone is going to visit with 30 minutes or less notice, we run into a triage situation , where you have to quickly assess and decide what to clean and how well to clean it.
When I have to quick clean, I declutter the living room (since it's the first room someone sees), light cleaning of the bathroom and throw in a load of dishes. Any time I have left I use to clear and wipe surfaces (tables and counters).
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