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post #121 of 451
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Originally Posted by joybird View Post
I was just at the holistic doc today and we were talking about this very thing. He mirrored my thoughts exactly, which are, if there's not much candida to be killed, there's not gonna be much die-off. It's when you feel the die-off that you know a yeast treatment is working. Not everyone who thinks they have a candida problem actually have one. I would take your symptoms as a resounding yes, that you probably do, and wouldn't it be great if that is a big piece to your puzzle and you finally get some answers and make some headway!

Also, I think many many people are not as aware of their bodies as those of us who have done eliminations and dealt with all of that. We are sort of hyper-aware of every single thing and can't imagine why or how everyone else isn't. I am shocked now at what some people consider 'normal', when if it was happening to me I wouldn't think it normal at all.
So true- I do notice every little change in my body now, where I never would have before. I have noticed that the rashes on my legs have been flaring up the past couple days, and I haven't changed my diet... so the yeast must be fighting back! And yes, that would be awesome if this can help make some progress in my gut healing and our food allergies!!
I guess I am just loaded with yeast then. Which always seemed weird to me- if it's that bad, why we've never had any issues with thrush, or vaginal yeast, or anything else.
post #122 of 451
Thanks Joybird. I think we will start with the NoFenol and AFP for her between meals and then move to Candex or Candidase. I should probably do those between meals as well. I did the Houston ones for a while, did not see any die-off or anything. In a sick way I hope that we are dealing with yeast. We have been looking for answers for so long now, it would just be great to know what we are dealing with and move on that.

For the last week I have been giving dd Eczema Formula of A Vogel. I thought it is a herbal tincture, but then later saw that it says on the bottle that it is a homeopathic remedy. I am so clueless about these things and should probably not mess with them at all. But, this seems to help. On their website it says that the remedy is for liver and kidney health, which is what I think dd needs. So, everybody that sees her remarks on how great her skin looks. Her sleep is terrible, mainly because she is so itchy - it is almost as if her skin is sort of healing and then the old skin is shedding. Hard to explain. Even though her skin looks super dry, it isn't red anymore. Hoping the healing will continue.
post #123 of 451
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Originally Posted by xekomaya View Post
WildIris - your story sounds exactly like mine. I've always been sensitive to chemicals, but after pregnancy everything just went insane. I'm afraid to go anywhere as I often get exposed to something and get sick for 8-10h+ after. All the foods that used to bother me just a little are suddenly giving me full on allergic reactions too.

I'm definitely interested to hear how the Candidase works for you. I've been wondering if what I've got going on is yeast even though we don't have any outward signs of it here. Well, I guess I did have thrush a few months ago, but the dietary changes I made for the allergies/gut healing seemed to take care of it.

Hi Xekomaya,

It's tough, isn't it. I'm at the point now where if I go out in public and get exposed to something, I know I'll be sick for up to two days afterwards. It makes me not want to go anywhere. Tonight I have to go to a high school open house for my oldest DD and I'm dreading it, not knowing what allergens I'll run into there. Sigh.

I will keep you posted on my experience with the Candidase.
post #124 of 451
Question on chewables or pills for my DD. I spoke with Dr. Houston and he said to use the pills and put them in her food over the chewables as it has "less excipient material in capsules". What do you think?

And what is better for a 28 month old, Candex or Candidase?
post #125 of 451
Quick back story: Four kids. First two are not allergic. 3rd born with abx during labor. She battled yeast rashes (not thrush or vaginal), eczema, and ultimately, we identified several food allergens. I clearly had leaky gut because she reacted through my milk. Now to a new baby. Born at home, no interventions. I worked on gut-healing his entire pregnancy. He's now showing signs of . . . something. Green mucusy poop that was escalating (first attributed to oald). Within the past few weeks, a small spot of eczema has appeared on his arm. On Thursday, I eliminated wheat and eggs. Eczema mostly cleared (I can see the spot where it was, but it's not raised, not red, it's just kind of shimmery and white). Had a bm and it was mostly normal. I was doing this: THen, the very next day (yesterday) he had a big mucusy poopy diaper. I looked at my food journal for the past two days (Mon and Tue) and I'd eaten the same foods for most of the day: black beans, red peppers, rice, quinoa, and fruit. There was a bit of onion and tomato in all that. The big constants in my diet are beans (many varieties) and raw fruit.

I want to explore this idea that something about the fructose or insoluble fiber I'm consuming in beans and fruit is causing problems for me and ds. I know that fructose malapsorbtion can lead to gut flora imbalance and gas. Beans obviously lead to gas. What I don't know is what exactly is going on in the gut when it comes to digesting beans or other insoluble fibers and how that would transfer to my ds. I lended my SCD book to a friend so I don't have it to look at it. I'm not even sure it addresses what I'm thinking about.

Any thoughts for me? Obviously, undigested food proteins can cause probs for moms and babies, but what about sugars/fiber, and what's the mechanism by which it effects a nursling? Is it only insofar as the gut flora is thrown off by sugars/fiber, or is there more to it?? Of course, it's possible that my ds is having a reaction to the food proteins in the foods I mentioned, but I'm not sure that's the whole picture.

Oh, so I started on a stricter ED yesterday. Last night I had some buckwheat pancakes, and though they were good, a short while later, my stomach started to hurt. What's the connection??
post #126 of 451
My Candidase report:

So, this is Day 4 on the Candidase for me. I'm taking Digest Gold at the start of every meal, and the Candidase between meals (three times daily). I started with one Candidase capsule at a time and yesterday increased to two capsules at a time.

Noted reactions:
I'm sleeping better at night, but am still very sleepy during the day (taking daytime naps).
Some random headaches, general sense of brain fog.
Feeling kinda cranky, easily irritable.
Random times where I get very very cold; starts with cold hands, cold feet, then full-blown body chill that I can't shake for awhile. (I think this may coincide with taking the Candidase doses but I wasn't paying close enough attention to be sure.)
Occasional mild itchiness, usually on my abdomen or upper thighs. Occasional itchy ears (inside ears).
Occasional slight achiness in my lower left abdomen.
Had a sudden burst of increased libido and sense of wellbeing on Day 2, but didn't last long.
Occasional moments of being more relaxed and feeling like I can breathe easier.
Craving butter like crazy, don't know what that means.
No "digestive" type reactions so far.
post #127 of 451
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Originally Posted by BeingMe View Post
Question on chewables or pills for my DD. I spoke with Dr. Houston and he said to use the pills and put them in her food over the chewables as it has "less excipient material in capsules". What do you think?

And what is better for a 28 month old, Candex or Candidase?
Ok I have been trying to answer my question on candex and candidase, and from what I have found I should do the candex. As for protocols to follow, is this a good one?
http://www.betterway2health.com/candidacandex.htm
post #128 of 451
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Chinese Pistache You've been son helpful to me, I wish I had a good answer for you. I have BTVC in front of me but it doesn't seem to include anything about how this process affects a nursling. It does mention that beans, depending on whether or not they are adequately soaked, can have more complex sugars, so perhaps that is your source of inconsistency? It does also talk about bacterial toxins crossing the blood-brain barrier so that is something else that would pass to breastmilk, if that factors in to the answer to your question.


I think we may actually be seeing some progress over here from water kefir. It's all TMI that I may detail at some time, but I'm starting to think that somehow I lost a huge portion of my gut flora - not just imbalanced but like, gone if thats possible. And I'm seeing some signs that it is coming back so I'm pretty psyched. My only issue is that my kefir grains are near death. Think I'm going to go post in the TF forum to see if anyone can help me save them
post #129 of 451
I need to order some water kefir grains and start that too...

Ladies, I'm really stressed about this Candex situation still and need some advice. The last 2 days have been like one tantrum after another (from DD, not me. ) Obviously, DD is getting something from my leaky gut that is bothering her. I'm almost positive that she's not reacting to a food (poops are the same, skin is the same, and my diet hasn't changed), but she's been sleeping like sh!t and just crabby as hell. So something is going on. The only thing I can attribute it to is my die-off from the Candex.

So what do I do? I really can't convince myself that this a good thing to do if it is affecting DD this way. But I don't know what my other options are.
post #130 of 451
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Ladies, I'm really stressed about this Candex situation still and need some advice. The last 2 days have been like one tantrum after another (from DD, not me. ) Obviously, DD is getting something from my leaky gut that is bothering her. I'm almost positive that she's not reacting to a food (poops are the same, skin is the same, and my diet hasn't changed), but she's been sleeping like sh!t and just crabby as hell. So something is going on. The only thing I can attribute it to is my die-off from the Candex.

So what do I do? I really can't convince myself that this a good thing to do if it is affecting DD this way. But I don't know what my other options are.
If the Candex is causing die-off, the yeasts would be releasing toxins into your body and some could be reabsorbed--that could be the mechanism for what's causing your daughter's irritability. I've seen irritability in both my kids when their circulating toxins increased (increased beyond the rate at which they can excrete it). If that's what's going on (could be something else, I don't have the knowledge to know, but I wanted to share in case it seems right), what I did for my kids was increasing their vitC to bowel tolerance (is there a brand that you can tolerate?) and I gave them modifilan, a seaweed product. I love it for sopping up toxins, it's helped us out on multiple occasions. Other folks have used activated charcoal, I think, but I'm not sure how that works.

If it's toxins, the other way, I think, would be to decrease the dose until the amount of toxins you're dealing with is less and your body and hers can keep up and then slowly see if you can increase it.

Best wishes in figuring it out.
post #131 of 451
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Originally Posted by changingseasons View Post
I need to order some water kefir grains and start that too...

Ladies, I'm really stressed about this Candex situation still and need some advice. The last 2 days have been like one tantrum after another (from DD, not me. ) Obviously, DD is getting something from my leaky gut that is bothering her. I'm almost positive that she's not reacting to a food (poops are the same, skin is the same, and my diet hasn't changed), but she's been sleeping like sh!t and just crabby as hell. So something is going on. The only thing I can attribute it to is my die-off from the Candex.

So what do I do? I really can't convince myself that this a good thing to do if it is affecting DD this way. But I don't know what my other options are.
Any chance just by coincidence she started teething? Just because that happened right when my DD started ahomeopathic remedy and I thought it was the remedy.
post #132 of 451
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
If the Candex is causing die-off, the yeasts would be releasing toxins into your body and some could be reabsorbed--that could be the mechanism for what's causing your daughter's irritability. I've seen irritability in both my kids when their circulating toxins increased (increased beyond the rate at which they can excrete it). If that's what's going on (could be something else, I don't have the knowledge to know, but I wanted to share in case it seems right), what I did for my kids was increasing their vitC to bowel tolerance (is there a brand that you can tolerate?) and I gave them modifilan, a seaweed product. I love it for sopping up toxins, it's helped us out on multiple occasions. Other folks have used activated charcoal, I think, but I'm not sure how that works.

If it's toxins, the other way, I think, would be to decrease the dose until the amount of toxins you're dealing with is less and your body and hers can keep up and then slowly see if you can increase it.

Best wishes in figuring it out.
Just saw your post after mine. I was thinking that too, although I have nowhere near the experience and knowledge that you do.
I was wondering, if this can release toxins, is it not good for me to do some candex if I plan to get pregnant in 4 or so months?
post #133 of 451
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
If the Candex is causing die-off, the yeasts would be releasing toxins into your body and some could be reabsorbed--that could be the mechanism for what's causing your daughter's irritability. I've seen irritability in both my kids when their circulating toxins increased (increased beyond the rate at which they can excrete it). If that's what's going on (could be something else, I don't have the knowledge to know, but I wanted to share in case it seems right), what I did for my kids was increasing their vitC to bowel tolerance (is there a brand that you can tolerate?) and I gave them modifilan, a seaweed product. I love it for sopping up toxins, it's helped us out on multiple occasions. Other folks have used activated charcoal, I think, but I'm not sure how that works.

If it's toxins, the other way, I think, would be to decrease the dose until the amount of toxins you're dealing with is less and your body and hers can keep up and then slowly see if you can increase it.

Best wishes in figuring it out.
So am I doing more harm than good (harm for her, good for me) by flooding her with these toxins? I already cut back the dose to 1/4 of what they recommend... only 1 pill a day. I'm feeling much better than when I started, although still very irritable and emotional. My stomach hurts a little, and there's a hint of a headache... oh, and I've been sleeping really poorly too. But it's not half as bad as the first couple days I took the Candex (full dose).

So far, DD hasn't tolerated any Vitamin C (through BM), so I'm reluctant to try any more. I bought some activated charcoal the other day and used it when I was feeling horrible, but I can't take it every day. I'm already probably depleted on vitamin/minerals from my limited diet, so I can't chance it soaking those up with the toxins.

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Any chance just by coincidence she started teething? Just because that happened right when my DD started ahomeopathic remedy and I thought it was the remedy.
Nope, she actually just gone done with her last set of teeth...
post #134 of 451
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I was wondering, if this can release toxins, is it not good for me to do some candex if I plan to get pregnant in 4 or so months?
I _think_ that the toxins that are released are either excreted via the natural processes or they re-settle (and that's the part that hurts) within a matter of days (IME).
post #135 of 451
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So am I doing more harm than good (harm for her, good for me) by flooding her with these toxins? I already cut back the dose to 1/4 of what they recommend... only 1 pill a day. I'm feeling much better than when I started, although still very irritable and emotional. My stomach hurts a little, and there's a hint of a headache... oh, and I've been sleeping really poorly too. But it's not half as bad as the first couple days I took the Candex (full dose).
Shitty answer but... maybe. I did at least one thing that I _know_ was good for me and bad for my nursing son, and I strongly suspect another was bad for him (it was also good for me). Balancing the needs of two people is really tricky, I think even more so in your situation than mine, and I felt quite stressed about it.

If you're feeling bad, then this sounds like more toxins are being released than your body can keep up with. I've had headaches and sleep problems (have you considered melatonin?) from increases in circulating toxins. So you can address it from the 'release fewer toxins' side or the 'increase the capacity to detoxify' side.

You haven't found any supplements you can both tolerate, have you? I'm taking a set that are supposed to support the basic liver detox pathways, it's a mix of Bs, mag, zinc, actually a lot but bundled into just a couple pills. I think that's been helping me with all the stuff that my body's been dumping since I got my amalgams out, plus the extra stuff I'm drawing out while chelating.

The other part is, it may be appropriate to lower the dose even further, or even stop for a few days to give both of you time to catch up, and then start again at maybe the same 1/4 dose and see what happens. It can feel like slow progress, but the fact that you're taking this and something seems to be happening probably means that this is part of the problem--it may take a while to address completely, but you're on the right track. And this may be a necessary thing for getting better, just really, really slow.

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So far, DD hasn't tolerated any Vitamin C (through BM), so I'm reluctant to try any more. I bought some activated charcoal the other day and used it when I was feeling horrible, but I can't take it every day. I'm already probably depleted on vitamin/minerals from my limited diet, so I can't chance it soaking those up with the toxins.
Bummer with the vitamin C, it's been a life-saver for us. As for the activated charcoal, I think there's a time window around it--it will soak up nutrients as well, like you said, but not all day, so taking it away from meals (look up the timing there, I don't know it) should help. Modifilan is more known in heavy metal circles and I think it's only available online, so you'd need to read elsewhere--and it seems pretty new so it's hard to find a lot of info/experience with it. It's a seaweed and I don't know if you're up for trying essentially a new food, but fwiw, I have felt comfortable giving it to my kids for quite a while--I guess my son was a year and a half when we started? It has played a significant part in dealing with our health stuff.
post #136 of 451
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Changingseasons - how about epsom salts baths for you both? 2x a day is the recommendation on the pecanbread list for dealing with die off. From the battling thrush support thread, and some stories from pecanbread of nurslings having die-off reactions when their moms went on SCD for them, my gut is that you're better off killing the yeast and being done with it, than letting it release toxins continually. Of course, you need to listen to your own gut, not mine And thats also assuming it is die-off and not a reaction - but it really sounds like die-off to me

Oh and if I can get my grains back up to full strength, I'd be happy to send some your way. It may be a while though
post #137 of 451
Thanks you guys for the ideas. Maybe I will go get some epsom salt today!!

It is really hard for me to gauge whether it's die-off or a reaction... The mystery rash on my legs has gotten REALLY bad. I put some nystatin ointment on it the other night, thinking that if it was a yeast rash it would help it... and it made it worse!! Now it's super itchy, and it burns in the shower when water touches it. So what do you think of that? Do I now assume that it's NOT a yeast rash? And if I do that, then I think I need to assume that it's an allergic-reaction rash!!

I think I will definitely take a few days off from the Candex and see if that helps.

Ugh. This whole thing is just frying my brain. I'm so ready to be done with all this mess!!
post #138 of 451
sorry,cross-posted from c-section thread:

hi girls, i have been lurking on this thread, unable to grab a minute to identify myself but i've been hanging around this subforum for months now.
i have an 11 month old daughter with sensitivities through my bm to so many foods it's out of control. i now am limited to some veggies, some fruits, evoo, salt, pumpkin seeds and walnuts. she only eats bm, sweet potatoes, prunes and bananas. she was a c-sect, 1 dose of broad spectrum abx to me after the cord was clamped. we had blood incompatibility and i had 2 doses of rhogam, 1 before and 1 after birth. i also took bc pills for years and was off them a year before conceiving. dd had, unfortunately, vaccines through 6 mos on dr sears schedule.

i take:
pure encapsulations: multi, ca/mag, coq10, l-glutamine, ( i was taking quercetin but it's derived from legumes so i stopped)

digest gold during meals, i just ordered enzymedical virastop for between meals http://www.enzymedica.com/products/Virastop

i take 2 tsp kirkmans cow milk colostrum, casein free per day
http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/...4_Spec804.html

i take 2 caps kirkmans lactobaccillus duo http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/...llusduo90.html

i take twin labs clo, mint

dd gets a smidge of the probiotics right now, we're trying to work up since we've had a rough go in the past trying probiotics with her.

dd started gastrocrom 2+ weeks ago. we are sending both our urines for oat and both stools for yeast/parasites.

she gets epsom baths daily.

i am still having random, idiotic (i mean idiopathic) body rashes. dd and i seem to be over our random hives ( i also had angioedema , dd never did thank god) coming almost daily. she is not reacting to anything right now ( fingers crossed smiley) but her very mild reflux has progressed to pretty painful sounding and causing crying in her sleep. i dont want to treat it, because i've read so much about the harm we cause ourselves by treating acid reflux which winds up exacerbating the problem. let me know if you know differently, please! she seems to be more sensitive gradually with no end in sight.

i dont want to derail, but can anyone elaborate on the comment early on about l-glutamine being unsafe? i cant find info on that at all.
also, can anyone speak to the biotin question by firefaery? i would like to know more about biotin....

this is a great thread, greetings all. thank you for any insight you have to offer.
post #139 of 451
Changingseasons~

I agree with xekomama. I did epsom salt baths every day when we started enzymes and they helped immensely. They will also help dd's eczema. Use a lot, like 2 cups per tub.

I also think you are better off to keep up with some treatment, but I think you should go slower to put less stress on your detox pathways if you are really concerned for your dd. Although personally I would take the die-off symptoms as a good sign - the healing crisis that every naturopath/homeopath knows about. When illness is leaving the body, things will often get worse before they get better. I have witnessed this myself through every step of our healing. Have you read the 'low and slow' protocol on the enzymestuff website? I would back off the candex for now (or take a smaller dose) and start making sure you are getting some enzymes with every meal and then go from there. You have some pretty good evidence now that you guys have yeast overgrowth, so I doubt you'll be able now to just sit back and live with that, since it is probably contributing to your dd's issues as well.

You can also do some liver support like milk thistle or dandelion. Your dd will get the benefit of that thru bm. The toxins from yeast die-off will not re-settle in your body as a pp suggested. Heavy metals, yes, but that's not what we're talking about here. Your body has detox pathways and they will do their job if you support them properly and if they are not overloaded because of heavy metal toxicity.
post #140 of 451
Thanks joybird- I will look into the liver support. And I will definitely start the epsom salt balts!
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