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post #221 of 451
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Originally Posted by changingseasons View Post
That is really interesting for me to hear... because I had terrible side-effects from the Candex, which could have been die-off but seemed all too similar to my allergic reactions. I wonder what the possible allergen is in the enzymes?
I don't know. And it's possible that it's just die-off and I'm being a wimp... BUT I am in a place right now where I am really working at asking for guidance and following my intuition about healing, and suddenly I just felt like taking so many capsules of stuff every day and feeling tired and non-functional for hours afterward is not the right thing for me at this particular time. I'm feeling led to do more things that are nourishing as opposed to causing strife to my body, if that makes sense. And getting a lot of messages about being gentle and treading lightly. Even to just "lighten up" and not be so regimented about food and stuff. I don't know how to explain it, really. Come over to the new thread I started on having an Intuitive Healing tribe.
post #222 of 451
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Originally Posted by WildIris View Post
I don't know. And it's possible that it's just die-off and I'm being a wimp... BUT I am in a place right now where I am really working at asking for guidance and following my intuition about healing, and suddenly I just felt like taking so many capsules of stuff every day and feeling tired and non-functional for hours afterward is not the right thing for me at this particular time. I'm feeling led to do more things that are nourishing as opposed to causing strife to my body, if that makes sense. And getting a lot of messages about being gentle and treading lightly. Even to just "lighten up" and not be so regimented about food and stuff. I don't know how to explain it, really. Come over to the new thread I started on having an Intuitive Healing tribe.
I know exactly what you mean. I just completely stopped all my supplements and am trying to just work on reintroducing some foods into my diet and increasing my intake of fermented foods. I couldn't handle feeling any crappier than I already was... so we'll see how this goes. So far so good.
post #223 of 451
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Originally Posted by changingseasons View Post
That is really interesting for me to hear... because I had terrible side-effects from the Candex, which could have been die-off but seemed all too similar to my allergic reactions. I wonder what the possible allergen is in the enzymes?
It could possibly be something that they are using in the binder. Just a guess.
post #224 of 451

reaction or not

I am starting very slow with my self and ds, 4.5 yo. He has had 2 caps/day for 2 days of RenewLife KidZyme (digestive enzymes, probiotics, l-glutamine, nag, fos), am/pm w/ food. natural calm magnesium those 2 days as well. I have had 2 yeast defense one day and 4 the next, multivit, plantzyme (NOW) and magnesium and we both have had clo.
both of my nursing children's poops were green the first day. then no poop the second day, and my ds always goes every day. now this am, after smoothie (0nly new ingredient was brewer's yeast) his hands and feet have red bumps all over them. I would think it is hand, foot, mouth except he hasn't had a fever in several weeks, he has no bumps in his mouth, he has had two big ones on his bum which have been there for a while and don't look anything like the ones on his hands and feet and he has two on one ear that do look like the ones on his hands and mouth. He is VERY clingy and irritable. the clinginess only slightly more than normal and the irritability is about par.
So do you vote for reaction or virus?
Thank you.
post #225 of 451
Ok, for about two weeks now, this has been my routine:

Digest Gold and/or zyme prime with meals & large snack
Candidase in the am and pm
1 capsule of Pharmax dairy free probiotic for use when taking abx

In the beginning, I experienced some extra gas and some headaches but nothing too horrendous. I'm thinking I need to add an antifungal. I'm nursing a one year old who doesn't eat too many solids. What would be the best thing to use? GSE? Something else?
post #226 of 451

blood in stool?

Hi folks,

Can blood in stool (the bright red kind) be a symptom of a food allergy, or would you say it is more likely that it would be from the fact that, if inflammation is there in the intestinal tract to begin with, and then you eat a certain food that irritated things more, that would be the cause. What do you think?
post #227 of 451
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Originally Posted by Teenytoona View Post
Hello all, I am looking into this healing the gut stuff and am feeling interested, confused and well, a whole lot of stuff.
Hi Welcome!
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First off, a little history. Mr Toona and I have been together a little over 6 years. Early on when we met, he developed something he called eczema on his hands and on the back of his leg. It is now a huge (larger than his hand) patch of scale-like skin that itches furiously. (He can't use anything short of his keys to scratch it). I never had much in the way of yeast problems before him, but ever since him, I've had scratchy bits (just external, not internal) almost everyday. We never put two and two together. His son had a very bad case of eczema from birth and so I just figured his was eczema. Cue DD being born, and we transferred to the hospital (due to my being a weenie, really no emergency), we got their stinking antibiotics because I feel like they didn't even give me the option. DD (and I) had thrush then. I didn't really ever have much in the way of symptoms, just her mouth and the early days she sometimes didn't want to latch on. We tried this that and another thing, and finally I stopped doing anything, and it seemed to be done.
Have you tried to identify the patches on the internet? Have you considered laundry detergent or hard water in your new location? I'm thinking your itching could be related (laundry detergent,etc) or you could both itch for different (or even multiple) reasons. My husband is very itchy and when we started figuring it out, it was different fugi and floral imbalances in every different patch so it took a lot of trying to get them all and he still has one bad one left but its a big improvement..

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BUT, I've noticed recently she will NOT nurse when I've had garlic, and now that I'm trying probiotics again, she will not consume whatever they are mixed in (EBM, haven't tried it with water yet). Mr Toona and my itching still continue. Mine is more off and on again than his. Our Doc (DO) that we found suggested that our problem was yeast (which is what I was starting to suspect). And Mr Toona claims Doc said can get rid of yeast by treating just one of us. That makes no sense to me, but who knows.
Garlic is very pungent in breastmilk. Are you suggesting this as a sign of a problem or preventing you from eating a healthy food?
I didn't check to see how old your DD is. Doe she eat solids - can you do yogurt? You can make it out of many things besides dairy. If no solids, can you just swipe it in her mouth? Thats what I do to my DS
From my reading, my theory is it may be possible to cure yeast in both mother and baby by treating the mother for a VERY young baby if you could "cure" the mother and have her start passing great bacteria, since the baby's gut flora is changed every couple weeks by the content of the breastmilk. The older the baby the more established the flora though and I don't think it would be possible.

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So I"m reading all this and wondering where to start. Did I mention that Mr Toona has this need (not everyday anymore, but it used to be that he'd) eat a sugar fix a day before going to bed. this means anything from a pastry to apple butter on raisin bread. I've never looked for a connection, but his itching is always the worst before bedtime and as I write this wonder if that happens most when he eats his sugar fix.
If he has a true sugar addiction, I suggest Potatoes not Prozac. Her methods were the key to my success.

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We both WOHM. I don't have the time to cook really drawn out recipes and whatnot, and I"m hoping we can figure some things that work for us, but I think we need a diet change. This won't be easy with Mr Toona's sweet fix need.
It's just something you need to get used to. Doesn't really take much longer than a package. Broth and broth based soups were the original fast food. TF forum has some good suggestions.
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I've perused the BTVC and BED websited and I just don't know which one makes more sense. I've got the books on hold from the library. Can anyone break down the differences between these? Any tips on breaking a sugar fix habit?
TIA
I'm not sure what BED is? BTVC has some great information and it is sorta a read, and then read 2x more kinda book. If I had more foods I would be on it strictly, but with 10 foods it doesn't work out so well..

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Originally Posted by SAmama View Post
We use the bulk powders of Houston. Now we want to do Gaps or SCD, but cellulose seems to be on the list of illegal foods. I actually thought that the enzymes that isn't with rice bran is scd friendly. No? I quickly checked on their site, but didn't find anything. Does anybody know?
Cellulose in suppliments is allowed on SCD. You can find the legal/illegal list here. The rice bran one would be ILLEGAL. SCD doesn't recommend many supplements though, but I am not familiar with the GAPS protocol.

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Originally Posted by WildIris View Post
Just a quick update: I decided I'm giving up on the Candidase for now. Every time I take it I get very tired and/or my body gets very cold afterwards. These are both allergy reactions for me with food, so it worries me to have this happen with the Candidase.
That is really interesting! Hmm... Ordinarily I seem to hear that if you take a yeast killer and have a reaction, it means you have yeast. But I wonder what us allergic people are supposed to do ...

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Originally Posted by spunky View Post
I am starting very slow with my self and ds, 4.5 yo. He has had 2 caps/day for 2 days of RenewLife KidZyme (digestive enzymes, probiotics, l-glutamine, nag, fos), am/pm w/ food. natural calm magnesium those 2 days as well. I have had 2 yeast defense one day and 4 the next, multivit, plantzyme (NOW) and magnesium and we both have had clo.
That sounds like a TON of new stuff you added in just a couple days. I don't know what to say as to whether it is a reaction, adjustment, or virus. You posted a couple days ago though - how's it going now?

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Originally Posted by momofmine View Post
Hi folks,

Can blood in stool (the bright red kind) be a symptom of a food allergy, or would you say it is more likely that it would be from the fact that, if inflammation is there in the intestinal tract to begin with, and then you eat a certain food that irritated things more, that would be the cause. What do you think?
Food allergy. But I think the condition of the intestinal tract would make it more or less likely that an offending food causes blood.
post #228 of 451
So, okay guys, please tell me what you think. Just a quick and brief history, my DS who is 4 and a couple months, had abx back in Feb. I believe they cause more problems because he got them after he was already feeling better (I was treating him homeopathically/naturally for strep throat/scarlatina but then th family doctor freaked my husband out and we wound up giving him the abx anyway.) I am saying all this to say that, this is one reason why I think it messed up his bowels even more, because his immune system had already kicked most of it out.

So, his bowels haven;'t been the same since, but they were getting better over time with 3x/day probiotics (Klaire TherBiotic Complete). Then, after being on that regimen for a while, he started having an itchy bottom. I stopped the probiotics and I believe he had some kind of rebound reaction with yeast. because then he got this horrible yeasty (what I think was yeast) diaper rash. He's been out of diapers for over a year, but he had this painful, very red rash, with open sores. He also had a tiny amount of bright red blood on the tp when I wiped him, but I think it was from the external area.

So, I did several things, started some probiotics again, but a lower dose (because I tried the Klaire Ther Biotic Complete again and it gave him immediate diarrhea). I cut out soy and wheat, we already weren't doing dairy, and I tried to limit his fructose. We eat absolutely no sugar, but he is a fruit lover. I also put yogurt on his bottom, which helped immensely (which is why I felt it was likely yeast).

So, the rash has cleared up, but his stools haven't gone back to what they were. They had gotten to be mostly formed almost all of the time. Now they are back to coming out formed but separating in the water.

Here's my dilemma:
The other day I made some cookies with coconut flour. We tried it a month or so ago, and it gave the whole family loose stools. Thought I'd try it again, because I'm wanting to avoid wheat. Both he AND I had looser stools with some blood, for about the past 2 or 3 days. He had a streak of bright red blood along the last half of his stool the first day, and then some on the tp. Then he had blood just in the water after a bm the next day. He has no other sick symptoms, no fever, acting perfectly fine and normal, energy good, etc. I guess I am feeling like it is not something to jump to worrying about because I had the exact same thing. PLUS, he still nurses. So, I feel like it must be that our intestines are inflamed and the coconut flour did not sit well with us.

I'm just not sure what to do. We have a homeopathic MD who is about an hour away, but he's only open Tue to Thurs. What do you guys think?
post #229 of 451
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Originally Posted by BookGoddess View Post
Jane - One more question (don't cringe! ), what are you thoughts on taking a probiotic that has FOS (Fructooligosaccharides) when one has bad bacteria in the gut? Wouldn't the FOS help the bad bacteria thrive as well? I saw some great Pharmax probiotics that has FOS but perhaps we should get a Pharmax probiotic that doesn't have FOS and there were some like that in their line.
Yes Pharmax suggests starting with the Intensive caps first which have no FOS and then moving to their FOS versions afterwards, either Mindlinx, High Potency or Synbiotic. I've heard amazing things IRL with yeasty people and the Synbiotic which does have FOS.

FOS according to studies helps *some* bad bacteria grow. However, it increased good bacteria in the stool by a very large amount and decreased bad bacteria in several human studies.

It's very hard to give a hard and fast rule about this. I personally do well with FOS (NOW inulin which is the same kind as the Body Ecology EcoBloom but cheaper). It does cause gas at first until your system gets used to it.
post #230 of 451
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Originally Posted by BookGoddess View Post
That was a very helpful post, Jane!
Do you find Pharmax probiotics to be better than Klaire probiotics? If so, why? Our doctor recommended we use Klaire products so that's what we've used but if Pharmax has stronger probiotics, I'm very interested.

DD's latest stool microbiology test result showed we had increased her beneficial bacteria levels but now she has two types of bad bacteria at 4+ levels (pseudomonas and acinetobacter baumanii) that weren't there before!
I've never used Klaire and don't really know what is good about them, sorry! My WAPF/Allergy/Holistic and now BFF Registered Dietician uses it in her practice and has some great data. Pharmax is pretty unique: human strain and does their own clinical studies. I'm salivating waiting for their 6 year study on infants and Neonate to be done!

Stool tests are notoriously unreliable like this due to the culturing process, it doesn't necessarily mean the bad guys increased or weren't there before. The OAT test is more accurate as I understand it, but personally I just use the "whiff test" if we are on track and have a good bacteria balance!
post #231 of 451
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
Jane,

When you reference your dietician is that Brenda? Has she been helpful in charting the yeast trail or have you don't that all by yourself. I guess I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed doing it on my own especially since I think both the kids & I have yeast. I'm sure I should do different regimens based on age & issues so it would be helpful to have a provider to offer advice.

Of course, I'm sure the people on this board know more than any of the providers around so I should just read the thread and pllunge right in. I'm not sure why I'm hesitant. Sleep deprivation perhaps.
Yes it's Brenda and I don't know what I would do without her! Her office moved closer to you maybe, not sure what address I last gave you. Believe me I understand how difficult it is with the complexity and the sleep factor. She takes regular ins. so give it a go. She is very good at hand holding and listening to complaining too, don't ask me how I know that.
post #232 of 451
Jane,

Can you pm me her contact info?

Thanks

Also, any thoughts on this?

Ok, for about two weeks now, this has been my routine:

Digest Gold and/or zyme prime with meals & large snack
Candidase in the am and pm
1 capsule of Pharmax dairy free probiotic for use when taking abx

In the beginning, I experienced some extra gas and some headaches but nothing too horrendous. I'm thinking I need to add an antifungal. I'm nursing a one year old who doesn't eat too many solids. What would be the best thing to use? GSE? Something else?

Finally, have you ever heard about rubbing Oil of Oregano on the feet of babies as opposed to giving orally? I just read something about it yesterday.
post #233 of 451
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
Jane,



Finally, have you ever heard about rubbing Oil of Oregano on the feet of babies as opposed to giving orally? I just read something about it yesterday.
Not Jane, but that's the only way I'd do it for babes. It is accessed readily when used transdermally.
post #234 of 451
for anyone interested this is a fun product and has been used widely for gut healing.

http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.ne...E-DE-DRAGO.htm

Sangre de Drago is used extensively by indigenous cultures of the Amazon River basin for its remarkable healing properties. Applied to the skin on abrasions, cuts, scratches, and blisters, Sangre de Drago almost immediately forms a brownish gel over the lesion that seals the wound. Applied on bites and stings it halts the symptoms of pain and itching within minutes, with a subsequent reduction in swelling and redness. Sangre de Drago is reported by indigenous people to foster wound healing at a rate that is superior to natural processes, and it does so with reduced pain, inflammation, and scarring. Indigenous people also take Sangre de Drago orally in a diluted form (e.g. three drops in a beverage two or three times a day) for gastrointestinal disorders, gastritis, gastric ulcer, intestinal infections, colitis and parasites.

*****

To strengthen the wall of the intestine and eliminate conditions linked to a leaky gut" add a teaspoon of Sangre de Drago to one liter of water and drink throughout the day for approximately two weeks. To help get rid of parasites" add three to four teaspoons of Sangre de Drago to one liter of water and drink for a few days.

I use it for any kind of major bleed and had started using it several months back internally. I don't know if it was part of what allowed the healing, but it's amazing stuff externally so I do wonder....
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Where do you get yours? Seems like it would be worth a shot.
post #237 of 451
I get it through Amazon Herbs because that's the place that was highly recommended. There are a few sites that appear reputable. Here's another:
http://www.sangrededrago.net/about.html
post #238 of 451
Dd's skin seems to be clearing!! And her poops are looking more formed. :

We started A Vogel's eczema formula a month or so ago. It is supposed to help liver and kidney function. Then we started enzymes between meals (for her) about two weeks ago (had been doing enzymes with meals for a long time). She was reacting horrendously, with moods, tantrums and terrible, terrible sleep. Oh, and her eczema was red and angry. Last week I gave her one dose of premixed Nystatin (with all the crap in it) and she flared up really bad. I wasn't sure if it was because of the colouring, etc. in it, or because of die-off, but decided not to do it again. Oh, somewhere last week I started adding GSE to her enzymes and then be sure to follow it up with some strong probiotics. More tantrums, flare-ups, etc. Now she is finally sleeping a little better (waking up only 4-5 times a night, as opposed to just about every hour... or waking up and not going back to sleep). But her skin looks fantastic, although she is still very itchy at night and at nap time (any clues why?). The best it has in two years!! Oh, and what made all this possible is that I taught her to take capsules last week. She was starting to really rebel against her enzymes, but thought it was pretty grand to take a tablet.

Today we started with the GAPS diet. We are only doing broth today, but will add meat tomorrow and then slowly add veggies.

I also have the opportunity to get some stuff from the US. I was thinking of either Threelac and Oxygen elements or Nystatin (the pure stuff) and a very good probiotic (she is using mine, Primal Defense, which she actually isn't supposed to get, according to the bottle). The person who will bring it has very limited space, so it is either or for us. I am leaning towards the Threelac, but am not sure. Any suggestions?
post #239 of 451
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Originally Posted by momofmine View Post

I'm just not sure what to do. We have a homeopathic MD who is about an hour away, but he's only open Tue to Thurs. What do you guys think?
I definitely agree with homeopathy consultation. Also, it is important to rotate probiotics otherwise "probiotic resistance" could develop, I've read. Don't use single strain probiotics; and DO rotate them every 4-7 days. Additionally, "Live Active Culture" probiotics (like *some* yogurt, all kefir and fermented foods) are more able to make it to the gut and repopulate the microflora. Most probiotics sold are not vital once they make to the gut. Especially, probiotic powders loose potency when exposed to the air. Probiotics in capsule form live longer. Also the heat damage from transportation diminishes the vital cultures of many probiotics sold.. A lot of yogurt is heat pasteurized, which kills probiotics! Look for "Live Active Cultures".

Here is an informative article "Selection Criteria for Probiotics": http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=artBody;col1

But, from what I've read, it is essential to continually consume healthy bacteria, they don't replace the "bad microbs", just displace them. So, adding alternative "good bacteria", not singular or limited individual probiotics, seems more optimal to the gut. http://www.usprobiotics.org/docs/Sci...%C2%B0%205.pdf

The Probiotic Solution champions the "pulsing and rotating probiotics". http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...52/ai_n6112818

I'd venture to guess that your probiotics may be "old" and lost ability to repopulate the gut.

This link discusses specific brands of different probiotics: http://www.usprobiotics.org/products.asp

Also, you may consider using almond flour for baking. I don't know the specifics on baking substitutions though.


HTH,
Pat
post #240 of 451
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Originally Posted by spunky View Post
I am starting very slow with my self and ds, 4.5 yo. He has had 2 caps/day for 2 days of RenewLife KidZyme (digestive enzymes, probiotics, l-glutamine, nag, fos), am/pm w/ food. natural calm magnesium those 2 days as well. I have had 2 yeast defense one day and 4 the next, multivit, plantzyme (NOW) and magnesium and we both have had clo.
both of my nursing children's poops were green the first day. then no poop the second day, and my ds always goes every day. now this am, after smoothie (0nly new ingredient was brewer's yeast) his hands and feet have red bumps all over them. I would think it is hand, foot, mouth except he hasn't had a fever in several weeks, he has no bumps in his mouth, he has had two big ones on his bum which have been there for a while and don't look anything like the ones on his hands and feet and he has two on one ear that do look like the ones on his hands and mouth. He is VERY clingy and irritable. the clinginess only slightly more than normal and the irritability is about par.
So do you vote for reaction or virus?
Thank you.

How is he doing today? Did you continue the supps you had started, or did you stop? I guess it would be hard to tell if it was a reaction or not, because there are so many different things in that product. Let us know.
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